Mike Martz is a flaming idiot.

[ajcardfan]

I told you guys that the hire of Mike Martz as OC would be a freaking train wreck and was one of the very best offseason moves for US. I wrote this on the day he was hired:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1594789&postcount=25

He flat out sucks. He sucked as a head coach, he sucks as a coordinator. He's a loser and every check he gets from the NFL here on out is stealing.


He likes puppies though, so he isn't all bad.

 

[Mulli]

He should give his Super Bowl ring to Kurt Warner.

 

[Spielman]

He should give his Super Bowl ring to Kurt Warner.

Nah. Martz was a huge reason that Warner has a ring. (And vice versa, obviously.) Since then, his ego has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger to the point that I'm surprised he can get his head through the hole of a shirt that doesn't have buttons.

 

[Mulli]

Nah. Martz was a huge reason that Warner has a ring. (And vice versa, obviously.) Since then, his ego has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger to the point that I'm surprised he can get his head through the hole of a shirt that doesn't have buttons.

Just piling on.

 

[Spielman]

Just piling on.

Works for me.

 

[Russ Smith]

He is a fascinating guy but you do sometimes get the impression that he'd rather lose his way than win "conventionally."

I'm amazed at how much more he ran the ball last night.

 

[nashman]

I am amazed they didn't try to throw it in at the end as they came all the way down the field with ease then decide to not even take a shot? THank you from us Cards fans that were sure something bad was going to happen.

 

[mrbyte]

He is a fascinating guy but you do sometimes get the impression that he'd rather lose his way than win "conventionally."

I'm amazed at how much more he ran the ball last night.

If Singletary told me to run the ball I wouldn't argue either. the guy was like friggin ROBO COP going up and down the side line yesterday

 

[thirty-two]

the guy was like friggin ROBO COP going up and down the side line yesterday

 

[Mulli]

If Singletary told me to run the ball I wouldn't argue either. the guy was like friggin ROBO COP going up and down the side line yesterday

I prefer Whiz' sideline demeanor.

 

[conraddobler]

Mike Martz isn't a bad guy or a bad OC, given the right HC he'd be fine.

He needs some discipline but he's not a good fit with Singletary for obvious reasons IE he's not a power run OC.

I'd take him in a heartbeat as an OC, but you just have to treat him like you're crazy genius uncle, you use the good stuff and pass on the bad stuff.

You'll never filter out all the bonehead out of him but if you do it right you'll get enough of the genius to make it work.

 

[Spielman]

He is a fascinating guy but you do sometimes get the impression that he'd rather lose his way than win "conventionally."

Yep. He's got a lot of ideas about how teams should do things differently, and he doesn't accept conventional wisdom. Which is fine. I happen to agree that a lot of things teams do they do because they're hidebound and unwilling to try anything different, so I'm all for going outside the norm if you've got good reasoning behind it. But some of his methods aren't really based on anything concrete, and when his stuff is called into question he gets stubborn and refuses to change. And generally, conventional wisdom, even when it's wrong it isn't ridiculous, whereas one guy who refuses to listen to anybody else is going to be ridiculous a fair percentage of the time.

 

[Spielman]

Mike Martz isn't a bad guy or a bad OC, given the right HC he'd be fine.

He needs some discipline but he's not a good fit with Singletary for obvious reasons IE he's not a power run OC.

I'd take him in a heartbeat as an OC, but you just have to treat him like you're crazy genius uncle, you use the good stuff and pass on the bad stuff.

You'll never filter out all the bonehead out of him but if you do it right you'll get enough of the genius to make it work.

I wouldn't hire him as an OC anymore. I don't think his ego will allow him to be filtered enough to be effective anymore.

Plus, the league has caught up to what he does. And since he refuses to adjust much, he's just not that effective anymore.

 

[Mitch]

Martz' hands were tied last night...Singletary has changed the offensive philosophy to ball control and Martz was following orders...kind of the way Dennis Green demanded the Cards run the ball ad nauseum in the MNF Bears game...and then put the blame on the OC, even firing him afterward.

Martz called a good game and the offense was prepared...his QB, Shaun Hill, whom Martz did not promote to starter (Singletary did), made several huge mistakes in the fourth quarter.

If Singletary gets the job, Martz will be gone.

He should do what June Jones did at Hawaii: take a college program, throw the ball 56 times a game and put up huge stats and an exciting up tempo product.

 

[ajcardfan]

I can't believe anyone seriously attaches the "genius" tag to Martz anymore. His offenses have consistently led (or been very close to the lead) the NFL in turnovers. He's HORRIBLE. If he was our OC, I'd give up my season tickets. There's no way I'd pay that much to watch our QB get slaughtered and blow games with killer turnovers.

 

[Southpaw]

I am amazed they didn't try to throw it in at the end as they came all the way down the field with ease then decide to not even take a shot? THank you from us Cards fans that were sure something bad was going to happen.

Just sending a message to Singletary. I despise defensive HCs.

 

[Southpaw]

Mike Martz isn't a bad guy or a bad OC, given the right HC he'd be fine.

He needs some discipline but he's not a good fit with Singletary for obvious reasons IE he's not a power run OC.

I'd take him in a heartbeat as an OC, but you just have to treat him like you're crazy genius uncle, you use the good stuff and pass on the bad stuff.

You'll never filter out all the bonehead out of him but if you do it right you'll get enough of the genius to make it work.

Yup. He was Mike Nolan's mad scientist.

 

[Russ Smith]

I can't believe anyone seriously attaches the "genius" tag to Martz anymore. His offenses have consistently led (or been very close to the lead) the NFL in turnovers. He's HORRIBLE. If he was our OC, I'd give up my season tickets. There's no way I'd pay that much to watch our QB get slaughtered and blow games with killer turnovers.

yeah the reality is that his system is the reason O'Sullivan led the free world in turnovers before being benched. I don't fault Singletary for changing Qb's or changing the system to reduce the turnovers. The problem is, at the end when they least could afford it, they turned it over 3 times.

Martz in college would be interesting. I do agree with him in some ways, like he likes to go on 4th down more than convention says and I totally agree with him. But he just refuses to scale back when going for the big play leads to so many turnovers and hits on the QB.

 

[Southpaw]

Maybe the reality is that the Rams suck since he left. The lions offensive game made huge strides after he got there and Matt Millen couldn't run a draft to help him out. Millen got fired, Martz got fired and they suck worse now. He is now the hobbled OC of the 49ers who have one very good offensive player and a bunch of has been,never was, won't ever be players to coach, while his boss is an interim rookie looney. Yet somehow they competed to the very end of the game last night.

Not bad for an ASU assistant coach.

 

[Totally_Red]

yeah the reality is that his system is the reason O'Sullivan led the free world in turnovers before being benched. I don't fault Singletary for changing Qb's or changing the system to reduce the turnovers. The problem is, at the end when they least could afford it, they turned it over 3 times.

Martz in college would be interesting. I do agree with him in some ways, like he likes to go on 4th down more than convention says and I totally agree with him. But he just refuses to scale back when going for the big play leads to so many turnovers and hits on the QB.

For Martz' system to succeed he has to have a very special quarterback. Those are few and far between. The trouble is they have a short shelf life because he exposes them to so many hits with his empty backfield sets. It's what he did to Kurt Warner and later Marc Bulger in St.Louis.

At the pro level, he would be a lights out quarterbacks coach, and in the right environment, he could be a good offensive coordinator. But it's going to be very difficult for him to land an NFL gig after this season IMO.

But get him in a Texas Tech like situation and he turns a program around IMO.

 

[ajcardfan]

Maybe the reality is that the Rams suck since he left. The lions offensive game made huge strides after he got there and Matt Millen couldn't run a draft to help him out. Millen got fired, Martz got fired and they suck worse now. He is now the hobbled OC of the 49ers who have one very good offensive player and a bunch of has been,never was, won't ever be players to coach, while his boss is an interim rookie looney. Yet somehow they competed to the very end of the game last night.

Not bad for an ASU assistant coach.

If you like exciting losses, he's the guy for you. The only time he was truly successful was when his Rams teams had such overwhelming talent that they could suffer 3 or 4 turnovers and still put 30 on the board. Personally, I'd rather win 12-10 than lose 29-24 with 3 late turnovers and a cutesy playcall at the goaline that gets stuffed.