Mike Tomlin is BY FAR the most overrated coach in the league

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Meh, it's just a difference of opinion...he has his and that's cool, I even understand where he's coming from, just don't agree with it. As long as we're both Steelers fans at the end of the day, I guess that's all that's important! :D

i agree, it doesn't really matter that you hate bill cowher and steeler schmuck hates mike tomlin.
 

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Oh I don't hate Cowher, I just recognize that his tenor was not a perfect one. That's why I'm nowhere near throwing in the towel on Tomlin yet.

That's the approach that I'm trying to make with Tomlin - patience.

Maybe I need to be patient with the guy, but I'm still concerned. I trust my judgment since it rarely fails me, and those red flags are hard to dismiss, so I'll watch and wait.
 

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I completely agree with the title and sentiment of this thread.

Tomlin is Denny Green all over again.

Like what was previously posted...put him on the Lions staff and watch him fail miserably.
 

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I slightly agree.

Tomlin's a little overrated IMO. He's made some mistakes along the way but they're overlooked since he took the team to the SB with a 12-4 season.

What mistakes? Keep in mind that this is my opinion and some of it got some questioning in the press, but they are red flags from where I stand.

1) Twice - once during the Dallas game, we're down by 10 early in the 4th. Our D is stuffing the Cowboys. 4th and goal on the 1 yard line he goes for it. Gets stuffed. Huge mistake IMO. Take the 3 points, get within a TD of tying and play D - especially with practically the entire 4th quarter left. Second time wasn't actionable, but during the Ravens game when Santonio caught that TD pass that put us up late in the 4th after review to see if the ball broke the plane. Afterward, Tomlin was asked if he would have went for it on 4th down if the replay called it a non-TD catch. He first waffled on the question but said in a subsequent interview that he would have gone for it. This is my opinion, but you kick the easy FG, tie the game and play in overtime looking for the D to shut them down if they win the toss.

2) Last game of the season against the stains. Completely meaningless game. Play Ben for a series or two and yank him along with most of the other starters, right? Nope - Mikey keeps them in, some of them for practically the entire game. Unbelievable, total rookie mistake - every HC worth their salt pulls their starters early in a meaningless game heading into the playoffs. Am I frustrated only because Ben was injured with a potential career-ending concussion? Sure, but I was livid late in the 1st quarter that our starters were still out there.

These are huge red flags IMO but Tomlin gets passes because they're winning. My jury is still way out on this guy and I hope he makes more right decisions in the long run.

The outcome likely wasn't what you liked in that game but playing your starters all the way through out the regular season has worked well for the Giants and Pats last year and the Cards and your team this year.

Its likely thats not a coincidence and I bet Tomlin realizes that.
 

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The outcome likely wasn't what you liked in that game but playing your starters all the way through out the regular season has worked well for the Giants and Pats last year and the Cards and your team this year.

Its likely thats not a coincidence and I bet Tomlin realizes that.

Elaborate a bit, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
 

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dude's a good coach. He didn't exactly inherit a world beater. The Steelers were and have been good for two decades, but they perennially underachieved under Cowher, save one Cardinals like run in 2006. Two years and in the Super Bowl? I'd say the guy's got some skills.
 

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Elaborate a bit, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Its the rest vs rust decision.

I am saying the last two years the four teams that played in the Super Bowl all played the regular season all the way through without resting starters for more then half a game. Only the Giants HAD to make that decision of the 4 in order to make the big dance and that loss against the Pats was seen as what carried them to the title.

Its likely not a coincidence that those teams have carried that momentum into the playoffs and continued to play well.
 
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Its the rest vs rust decision.

I am saying the last two years the four teams that played in the Super Bowl all played the regular season all the way through without resting starters for more then half a game. Only the Giants HAD to make that decision of the 4 in order to make the big dance and even they could have lost that last one against the Pats.

Its likely not a coincidence that those teams have carried that momentum into the playoffs and continued to play well.

Help me out here, I'm too lazy to dig the facts up and it sounds like you have them handy, but were these final games during the regular season meaningful (ie: playing for seeding)?

My point is that there was no reason to win this last game, seeding was already a done deal.
 

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BC was a great coach. Tomlin has not achieved that status yet but still took a team that could have gone south after last season and put together a Super Bowl contending team which says alot.

The next time the Steelers want to shed some more coaching, players, scouts or anything else from that franchise...I am all for the Cards picking em up. That team is a model franchise from drafting talent, picking coaches or whatever.

When I heard the Card were interviewing Whiz and Russ I was stoked. I was praying we would hire one of them.
 

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BC was a great coach. Tomlin has not achieved that status yet but still took a team that could have gone south after last season and put together a Super Bowl contending team which says alot.

The next time the Steelers want to shed some more coaching, players, scouts or anything else from that franchise...I am all for the Cards picking em up. That team is a model franchise from drafting talent, picking coaches or whatever.

When I heard the Card were interviewing Whiz and Russ I was stoked. I was praying we would hire one of them.

Ditto on all of that.

We are developing into Steelers West...I'd love to see that continue to be developed.
 

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I have not seen anything not to like about Tomlin. He is poised, intelligent, and no nonsense. I understand it is not a typical coaching change with Cowher retiring from a successful team, but I think Tomlin will carry on our tradition or being competitive.

Someone mentioned Tampa 2 earlier...It drives me nuts Tampa gets the name of the defense when it was created by the Steelers in the 70's. They just ripped it off when we switched to 3-4 in the mid 80's.
 

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I agree....A bit embarrassing. I think the original poster is smiling right now.

Flame bait engaged.....Mission accomplished.

Bah,

Still was a great read.

Something about head coaches and Pittsburg fans. I follow the Pittsburg Penguins (closet Yotes fan, too)

But they BLAST M.Theirien.

Good stuff tho, good stuff.
 

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In the time the Steelers have had 3 head coaches, we've had 12 head coaches and 2 interim coaches. Something tells me where going to get the time to properly evaluate Tomlin in the long run. For the most part, though, if the Rooneys like him, I like him.
 

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Ditto on all of that.

We are developing into Steelers West...I'd love to see that continue to be developed.

Double Ditto on all that....Steelers are a model franchise, we've been called a lot worse than "Steelers West"!

There is really nothing to dislike about Mike Tomlin. Never makes an excuse, great leader, Rooney family made a great hire. Worked out even better for us, Go Cards!
 

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FWIW-

I completely agree with the title and sentiment of this thread.

Tomlin is Denny Green all over again.

Like what was previously posted...put him on the Lions staff and watch him fail miserably.

Same could be said for Whiz in this case. No one can succeed in Detriot.
 

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I absolutely agree with the original post. Kinda over the top, but i agree he doesn't call any plays. This probably has more to do with the fact that he isn't the offensive or defensive playcaller.
 
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• When one local area reporter prefaced a question to Tomlin by saying Morris recently noted that he can't wait to pick Tomlin's brain this week while the Steelers are in Tampa, we got a flash of the all-business approach of Pittsburgh's head coach.

"He's not going to get much opportunity to pick my brain this week,'' Tomlin said, without even cracking a smile. "I can promise you that.''

Gotta love this from a coach. :)
 

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Cohwer teams would never play a complete game, His teams gave up alot of leads.

It seems Tomlin stays aggresive to try and get the win.

There is a world of differences between the 2, and really not fair to compare them.
 

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If you want to find out about Tomlin read the NY Times article. I'd just post the link but it won't let me.

The New York Times
January 26, 2009
A Coaching Success. Take Notes.
By JUDY BATTISTA

TAMPA, Fla. — Sometimes in the off-season, he creeps down to the basement in the middle of the night and pulls an old Franklin Planner from the stacks. Pittsburgh Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin — reluctant intellectual — goes back to school then, flipping through the meticulous notes he has kept since he was a youngster, line after line bringing back the memories of what he did in a practice, of how a coach handled a wayward player, of the goals he hoped to accomplish that season.

For years, Tomlin tried to shield his smarts from view. When the “My Child is an Honor Roll Student” bumper stickers arrived in the mail, Tomlin threw them in the garbage before his mother could put them on the car. It was weird, he thought, when his friends first realized in 11th grade that he had gotten straight A’s. Even at William and Mary, an elite college just a few dozen miles from his home in Newport News, Va., he playfully mocked one of his best friends as Poem Boy, only to quote Robert Frost in his news conference after the Steelers won the American Football Conference championship last week.

But those notes in the basement serve as a road map of Tomlin’s meteoric career rise and inform his decisions still. The 1996 volume is a particular favorite because Tomlin was a graduate assistant at the University of Memphis, with the ideal fly-on-the-wall vantage point to observe coaches while bearing few responsibilities. Nobody, save perhaps Tomlin himself, could have imagined that a dozen years later — only two years after he met much of the N.F.L. while pushing his baby’s stroller through the league’s annual meeting — Tomlin would become the youngest Super Bowl head coach in league history.

“Shocked is not a word that I would use,” Tomlin, 36, said of landing the Steelers job in the first place. “I’ve always been extremely competitive. I’m a big dreamer, I guess. I’ve been known to be pushy.”

Tomlin has never lacked for self-assurance. When he told his mother he was forsaking law school to take his first $12,000-a-year coaching job — a decision she thought was insane — he told her coolly that he had a plan. Tomlin’s father, Ed, played in the Canadian Football League, but Tomlin had little relationship with him after his parents separated when he was a baby.

The lure of football came, instead, from neighborhood coaches. Athletics were viewed as a way out of a sometimes difficult neighborhood, Tomlin said, so the coaches became the disciplinarians, the guidance counselors. He wanted to be among them, even if he didn’t need sports to escape. He was a wisp of a high school wide receiver, but he was also quietly stowing recruiting letters from Ivy League programs.

Tomlin wanted to be known as a jock then, not a smart kid, something he knows sounds silly now. But perhaps that was why he could always command a room, able to make the biology students and the offensive linemen equally comfortable.

“He would walk through the door at 10 o’clock at night and light up the room,” said Pete Tsipas, the owner of Paul’s Deli, a student hangout at William and Mary where Tomlin worked the door. “Fifteen years later, he still knows everybody’s name.”

At William and Mary, Tomlin bulked up and became a downfield receiving threat, establishing a team record by averaging 20.2 yards a catch. But football also provided Tomlin an opportunity for the perfect melding of the academic and athletic, and perhaps the underpinnings of his coaching style: he memorized his opponents’ biographies, the better to trash-talk them. Tomlin calls himself a flatliner now, projecting only cool dressed in black on the Steelers’ sideline. But back then, he was emotional — even a little cocky.

“Confidence was never a problem with Mike,” said Minnesota Vikings safety Darren Sharper, a college teammate who was later coached by Tomlin when he was the Vikings’ defensive coordinator. “He would talk trash not only to players, but to coaches. It was a comedy every day. He is always ready to go, trying to get guys to compete.”

Tomlin and his friend and fellow receiver Terry Hammons were fans of NFL Films, and in one they noticed that the great Cleveland running back Jim Brown behaved oddly near the sidelines before games, to unnerve opponents.

“We had such delusions of our own grandeur, we would do these weird drills, we’d get dressed up to our waist, go out with our shirts off, do some push-ups and then start doing ball drills,” said Hammons, who was Poem Boy and is now a lawyer in London.

Hammons calls Tomlin socially intelligent, possessing a knack for knowing what spurs others on. He was the guy singing “It’s a Beautiful Morning” in the bitter cold of an off-season workout. And years later, after Steelers running back Willie Parker complained about play-calling, Tomlin noted in a news conference that Parker wasn’t complaining last season, when he led the league in rushing for most of the year. The zinger delivered, Tomlin made Parker a game captain a few days later.

In college, Tomlin became a voracious student of the voluminous William and Mary playbook and game film, and he offered his suggestions to Coach Jimmye Laycock. For all his chattiness on the field, Tomlin was a deliberate thinker, given, a sociology professor said, to hanging back in an argument so he could analyze data — the thoughtful approach he takes today when talking to reporters.

From his first coaching job, with the wide receivers at Virginia Military Institute, the notebooks filled up quickly, Tomlin’s career buoyed by his amalgamation of smarts and swagger. At the University of Cincinnati — his fifth career stop in five years — the secondary he took over went from being ranked 111th in the nation in pass defense to 61st in his first season. Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin, then coaching in Tampa Bay, heard about him while they were looking for a defensive backs coach.

After putting Tomlin through a 15-hour interview, Kiffin called the veteran safety John Lynch to tell him about Tomlin’s preparedness and poise, about Tomlin’s attention to technique and his plans for motivation. “Monte said, ‘I have good news and bad news,’ ” Lynch recalled. “He said, ‘I got a heck of a secondary coach.’ I said, ‘What’s the bad news?’ ‘You’re a year older than him.’ ”

Tomlin, then 28, was used to the uneasiness his youth created. When the Buccaneers held a brief minicamp early in Tomlin’s tenure, he had known the players for two weeks. But he presented Lynch, a perennial All-Pro, a tape of 75 plays he thought he could improve on from the year before.

“At first, I thought, What’s up with this guy?” Lynch said. “But then I started reading the detail. He’d show a play, then have a long paragraph about what he thought I could do better. I learned a lot from him right away. That sold me on him.”

The Steelers were a veteran team one season removed from a Super Bowl title when Tomlin got the job Jan. 22, 2007, at age 34. The players were watching him closely. Tomlin ran an intentionally savage training camp to make the point that he was in charge and to help him determine the hardest workers.

Now the Steelers credit him for delegating authority to his assistants, rather than interfering with play-calling, and for easing up on some players as he has grown more comfortable with them.

“I like the head-scratching,” Tomlin said. “I go out of my way to not put them at ease. There’s nothing wrong with being in a permanent state of arousal and not finding a comfort zone.”

That wisdom is undoubtedly jotted in one of his notebooks, which will stretch a little longer for this season. There is no hiding how smart Tomlin is now, but that was never the whole book on him.

A few weeks after he became the Steelers’ coach, Tomlin invited Hammons, a Pittsburgh native and lifelong Steelers fan, to his first minicamp. Tomlin showed him the five Lombardi Trophies. He introduced him to the team’s chairman, Dan Rooney. Hammons was overwhelmed.

“We get out on the practice field, and he’d come over to me and say: ‘You know what, Terry? I could blow this whistle and all of the Pittsburgh Steelers would come running over. Do you want me to blow this whistle, Terry?’ ” Hammons said. “And he just laughs and walks away.”
 

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Cohwer teams would never play a complete game, His teams gave up alot of leads.


Just an fyi....Cowher was (may be off by a couple wins) 110-1-1 when having a lead of 10 or more points. No other coach has ever been close to that percentage when holding a lead.
 

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IMO, you really do need an above average to great QB to win that one game in the postseason that's going down to the wire.

Cowher teams did a lot with quarterbacks who were average, at best.

Brister, O'Donnell, Tomczak, Stewart, Maddox. Think about taking those QBs into the playoffs. Yikes!
 
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