Milos Vujanic salary

[sunsfn]

This article was done on June 2003, but has the info about his salary.
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Vujanic dodges Knicks for year

Milos Vujanic is on the move again, but the Yugoslavian point guard is not headed to New York.
The Knicks' second-round pick from last year's NBA draft has agreed to a two-year contract with Skipper Bologna of the Italian league. Vujanic was close to joining Spanish power Barcelona but signed a deal with Bologna for about $4million.

Vujanic, who averaged 26points per game for Partizan of Yugoslavia last season, can terminate the contract after one year and join the Knicks. He said last April his goal was to play in the NBA - but unless the Knicks can offer him more money, Vujanic could remain in Europe for some time.

Because Vujanic was a second-round pick, the Knicks do not have to pay him more than the league minimum. His agent receives 10% of the contract, which is why Vujanic's representative wants him to stay in Europe.

Several of Vujanic's Yugoslavian teammates, including the Kings' Vlade Divac and the Clippers' Marko Jaric, have advised him to play in the NBA. In addition to his financial concerns, Vujanic is reluctant to join the Knicks because they have three point guards - Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward and Frank Williams - under contract. Ward's contract can be bought out on July 1 for $2 million.

"I don't think he'll improve anymore over there," Jaric said recently. "I think he should come to the NBA, but maybe he's a little scared."

Vujanic's decision to leave Partizan could affect his teammate, Nenad Krstic, who was New Jersey's first-round pick last year. Krstic, selected 24th overall, is ready to join the Nets, but Partizan may not give him permission to leave because the club has already lost several key starters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/95612p-86648c.html

 

[George O'Brien]

I have always assumed that the Suns would have to put up at least $2 million not counting the buyout.

 

[Wally]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
I have always assumed that the Suns would have to put up at least $2 million not counting the buyout.

I wonder if that $4M is for one year? If so, the Suns would have to figure out how Vujanic was going to get more money. I don't think $2M will do the trick. Perhaps they could come up with some NBA ad's including Zarko, Vujanic, Divac and Jaric. I don't know what the buy-out amount is but the Suns have the buyot NBA limitation.

 

[capologist]

You could try to sell him on upward mobility. If he has to take a pay cut to come to the NBA, point out to him that, if he excels, he can ultimately make more money in the NBA than anybody makes in Europe.

 

[sunsfn]

Wally,

The 4 mil is for two years. So, 2 mil a year.
As I understand it there is no buy-out, just an out clause for him in case he wanted to come to the USA. He has been told by many players he knows (Vlade) that he needs to come to the NBA and then he eventually will make more money.

 

[Wally]

Originally posted by sunsfn
Wally,

The 4 mil is for two years. So, 2 mil a year.
As I understand it there is no buy-out, just an out clause for him in case he wanted to come to the USA. He has been told by many players he knows (Vlade) that he needs to come to the NBA and then he eventually will make more money.

Hey, that's great! I'd be surprised if he were not wearing a Suns uni nex year

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by sunsfn
Wally,
The 4 mil is for two years. So, 2 mil a year.
As I understand it there is no buy-out, just an out clause for him in case he wanted to come to the USA. He has been told by many players he knows (Vlade) that he needs to come to the NBA and then he eventually will make more money.

That is how I understand it (it's where I came up with the $2 million amount).

At this point, the Suns have four guards: JJ, Casey, Barbosa, and Eisley. Since JJ and Casey both play some at SF, it means that Vujanic should get playing time. If he keeps hitting 3's like that, he will get a LOT of playing time.

 

[Wally]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
That is how I understand it (it's where I came up with the $2 million amount).

At this point, the Suns have four guards: JJ, Casey, Barbosa, and Eisley. Since JJ and Casey both play some at SF, it means that Vujanic should get playing time. If he keeps hitting 3's like that, he will get a LOT of playing time.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet money on Eisley being gone, gone gone! With the Cavs making a run for the playoffs, we should be able to entice the Bobcats with that pick. He would at least be off our cap - right?
With Eisley gone, that would be JJ, CJ, Barbosa, Vujanic, Marion, Zarko to cover 1, 2 & 3.
Of course, Marion & JJ would also get time at #4 - especially if Amare's toe bothers him too much

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Wally
If I were a betting man, I'd bet money on Eisley being gone, gone gone! With the Cavs making a run for the playoffs, we should be able to entice the Bobcats with that pick. He would at least be off our cap - right?
With Eisley gone, that would be JJ, CJ, Barbosa, Vujanic, Marion, Zarko to cover 1, 2 & 3.
Of course, Marion & JJ would also get time at #4 - especially if Amare's toe bothers him too much

Hate to break it to you, but it would be a major miracle if any team, let alone the Bobcats, takes Howard Eisley off our hands. You might as well assume that he'll be a Phoenix Sun next year.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Hate to break it to you, but it would be a major miracle if any team, let alone the Bobcats, takes Howard Eisley off our hands. You might as well assume that he'll be a Phoenix Sun next year.

It was a miracle that they got rid of Penny. If we just keep chanting, "I believe, I belive".

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
It was a miracle that they got rid of Penny. If we just keep chanting, "I believe, I belive".

The Knicks AIN'T going to take Howard Eisley back. Bet on that.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Chaplin
The Knicks AIN'T going to take Howard Eisley back. Bet on that.

Yeh, we need to find another really dumb team that doesn't mind big contracts. How about Ainge and the Celtics?

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
Yeh, we need to find another really dumb team that doesn't mind big contracts. How about Ainge and the Celtics?

If it's true that Charlotte can take Howard Eiseley and waive him while sticking the Phoenix Suns with the burden of paying his salary they are probably the only chance. In years past the sons may have been able to get him to Portland as part of a bigger trade. Portland is apparently acting more cautiously with their spending these days. There is always Dallas, but it went deaf only have to be part of a much bigger deal.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
If it's true that Charlotte can take Howard Eiseley and waive him while sticking the Phoenix Suns with the burden of paying his salary they are probably the only chance.
Joe Mama

If the Suns have to pay him but get him off cap, it would be worth it.

 

[capologist]

No, it doesn’t work that way. Charlotte still would have to pay his salary. He would not count against their cap, which is supposedly the drawing point. However, the Bobcats’s don’t look like running into the salary cap is going to be much of a problem for them, so this is a fairly minor consideration.

Some pundits have suggested that the Suns might give the Bobcats a #1 pick to induce them to take Eisley. I think this is a terrible idea. Rookie scale contracts are the most cap-friendly thing that exists in the NBA.

With a mid-round pick, we should get a decent player locked for four seasons at a total of $11M. You can not get a decent veteran for that kind of money. It would cost us something like Eisley’s salary to replace to the player that we would have taken with the draft pick.

 

[George O'Brien]

With the recent improvements in the Cavs, it is not completely out of the question for the Suns to end up with three first round picks. Currently the Suns have the following players under contract for next season:

EXPANSION PROTECTED (number of years experience at the end of the season)

Stoudemire 2
Johnson 3
Marion 5
Voskuhl 4
Barboasa 1
Carbakapa 1
Lampe 1
Jacobson 2
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White 6
Eisley 10
Vujanic (if they sign him as expected) 0
1st 0
2nd 0
3rd 0

If no one is taken in the expansion draft and the Suns draft three players, this would bring their total to 14. Even with Eisley, this is will be an average of 2.5 years. Without Eisley it will be 1.9 years.
(With Vujanic it is unlikely Eisley would play much).

Moving Eisley would clear $6.4 million in 2004-05 and $6.9 million in 2005-06. To give some perspective, the Kings got Brad Miller for $7 million.

If the Cavs get into the playoffs (meaning the Suns have three firsts), giving up someone who is likely to be the 14th person on the depth chart to clear that much cap space looks awfully attractive.

 

[Joe Mama]

Cap, I really think you are over valuing mid-first-round draft picks. Yes, they have relatively inexpensive contracts, but they also are a crapshoot. The Suns have done a good job drafting lately, but that doesn't mean they're going to do it every time. The Suns might have to pay a free agent a more, but that I also should have more experience and be ready to play.

Frankly if the Phoenix Suns end up with three first-round draft picks I would not be opposed to trading two of them to get rid of Howard Eiseley and his contract. That is unless they can parlay all three of them to move up to the top of the draft.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Joe Mama

Frankly if the Phoenix Suns end up with three first-round draft picks I would not be opposed to trading two of them to get rid of Howard Eiseley and his contract. That is unless they can parlay all three of them to move up to the top of the draft.

Joe Mama

See, that's more like my stance. But would I trade 3 draft picks for a higher one this year? I'm not so sure I would do that, especially in this draft. Would 3 mid-rounders be worth one Okafor? I don't think so.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Chaplin
See, that's more like my stance. But would I trade 3 draft picks for a higher one this year? I'm not so sure I would do that, especially in this draft. Would 3 mid-rounders be worth one Okafor? I don't think so.

Oh I think the Phoenix Suns would absolutely have to love somebody to do that. I guarantee the Phoenix Suns are not going to take three players in the first-round this year however. If they do end up with three first-round draft picks they will trade at least one of them, even if it's just for a future pick.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Oh I think the Phoenix Suns would absolutely have to love somebody to do that. I guarantee the Phoenix Suns are not going to take three players in the first-round this year however. If they do end up with three first-round draft picks they will trade at least one of them, even if it's just for a future pick.

Joe Mama

If for some strange reason we do end up with 3 draft picks, I totally agree, we won't draft 3 players. I don't really expect us to draft more than one this summer, but I must admit I'm intrigued by having 2 first round draft picks.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Chaplin
See, that's more like my stance. But would I trade 3 draft picks for a higher one this year? I'm not so sure I would do that, especially in this draft. Would 3 mid-rounders be worth one Okafor? I don't think so.

I'd do two. Three seems a bit pricy.

Actually, I would have to withhold judgment until I know who is out there. Right now, I'm not very impressed with the mid 1st options.

BTW, I was intrigued by Barbosa from early on. There were several early write-ups that talked about his unique athleticism and long arms. The only problem was that he lacked sufficient experience playing the point, which is why he fell to the latter part of the 1st round.

On the other hand, the scouting reports on Carbakapa were simply wrong or at least inadequate. Everyone knew he could handle the ball, ran the break very well, was tall but thin, and was effective driving the basket. Yet no one seemed to know he could shoot, because that was not how he was used in Serbia.

Once the Suns knew he could shoot, then they convinced him to go home and not have anyone test him. (The Knicks and the Celtics tested him, but they were looking for a different skill set).

Can the Colangelos find more gems? Maybe, but there is a certain amount of luck involved.

 

[elindholm]

I'm pretty sure that almost every year at about this time people talk about how the upcoming draft looks thin. And then more people crawl out of the woodwork, declare early, whatever, and eventually you wind up with a pretty strong group after all.

 

[elindholm]

On the other hand, the scouting reports on Carbakapa were simply wrong or at least inadequate. Everyone knew he could handle the ball, ran the break very well, was tall but thin, and was effective driving the basket. Yet no one seemed to know he could shoot

I'm not sure who "no one" is. Even before the Suns drafted him, everyone on this board was talking about what a great shooter he was, and that was with most people never even having seen him. Statistics from his play in Europe were offered in rebuttal and shot down.

In fact, the evidence is that he isn't a terribly reliable overall shooter -- he has the three in his arsenal, but his mid-range game is lacking. But we're all optimistic that that will change.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Originally posted by Joe Mama

Frankly if the Phoenix Suns end up with three first-round draft picks I would not be opposed to trading two of them to get rid of Howard Eiseley and his contract. That is unless they can parlay all three of them to move up to the top of the draft.

Joe Mama

Exactly Joe. The suns have had 4 first round picks the last 2 years. IMO adding another 2 would be to much youth.

However, remember the last time a team traded 3 first round picks for a higher choice? If I recall it didn't turn out so well for the team that gave up 3........

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by elindholm
On the other hand, the scouting reports on Carbakapa were simply wrong or at least inadequate. Everyone knew he could handle the ball, ran the break very well, was tall but thin, and was effective driving the basket. Yet no one seemed to know he could shoot

I'm not sure who "no one" is. Even before the Suns drafted him, everyone on this board was talking about what a great shooter he was, and that was with most people never even having seen him. Statistics from his play in Europe were offered in rebuttal and shot down.

In fact, the evidence is that he isn't a terribly reliable overall shooter -- he has the three in his arsenal, but his mid-range game is lacking. But we're all optimistic that that will change.

With his injuries this season, I'm not sure there has been much to evaluate. During the summer, he apparently hit all kind os shots and not just three's.

As for "no one", I'm referring to the dozen or so mock drafts and draft evaluations I read. We knew locally that he tested very well, but he was not used a shooter in Europe. Up to the day of the draft, most writers were questioning if the Suns were talking Zarko as a diversion tactic.