Minny wants to trade Williams and Shved

[JCSunsfan]

Actually, helping Minny helps us, since it helps us get their pick. I would love to do a trade that eliminates all restrictions on their pick, and wait for Love to go down again with an injury.

They are looking for a third guard and a front court player. Frye could actually be a good complement to Love.

Dragic for Williams, Shved, a future first and all restrictions removed from the 2014 pick? That's a rebuilding type of trade.

In fact, Bazz is getting no play. I bet you could get Williams and Shabazz Mohammed plus restrictions removed and a pick for Goran. Minny wants to win now desperately in order to keep Kevin Love.

 

[Mainstreet]

Unless one projects Minny to crash and burn after the trade, I don't see how this helps the Suns. Moving Dragic for filler and removing draft restrictions seems like a bad move to me.

 

[sunsfan88]

Not sure that's a good deal for us really. I think we should keep this roster intact for a while and then maybe see what we can do at the deadline.

I'm not convinced Derrick Williams is any better than Kieff. Kieff actually has better size for the 4 than him as well.

 

[Superbone]

I don't get it. Don't we need Minny to make the playoffs to get their pick?

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't get it. Don't we need Minny to make the playoffs to get their pick?

I believe JCSunsfan was saying, the trade would involve removing the draft protection on the Minny pick. Anyway, I think it is a reach.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't get it. Don't we need Minny to make the playoffs to get their pick?

Yeah, but he was suggesting we could get the restrictions removed as part of the trade. I'd like to see what Williams could do in the right lineup so i'd send them Dragic and Frye for another first and freeing up the pick they owe us but I'm not sure I'd want Shabazz. I guess I'd be okay with it if Hornacek was interested but I'd be awful leery of putting Bazz around other younger players.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

I believe JCSunsfan was saying, the trade would involve removing the draft protection on the Minny pick. Anyway, I think it is a reach.

I must be typing real slow today, your post wasn't out here when I responded. What about it is a reach for you? I like the idea of having an unprotected pick in this draft so posters can stop complaining about how well we're playing. Frye has been better on defense than in the past but his shot hasn't returned and Derrick gets us even younger. I don't know much about Shved so maybe it's not enough for Goran but it's a starting point IMO.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I must be typing real slow today, your post wasn't out here when I responded. What about it is a reach for you? I like the idea of having an unprotected pick in this draft so posters can stop complaining about how well we're playing. Frye has been better on defense than in the past but his shot hasn't returned and Derrick gets us even younger. I don't know much about Shved so maybe it's not enough for Goran but it's a starting point IMO.

Steve

I don't think Minny would do both, send a first round draft pick and remove the draft restrictions on their pick. I was looking at the trade as Dragic for Williams, Shved and the removal of draft protections. I have no interest in Shabazz Mohammed.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't think Minny would do both, send a first round draft pick and remove the draft restrictions on their pick. I was looking at the trade as Dragic for Williams, Shved and the removal of draft protections. I have no interest in Shabazz Mohammed.

It would have to be more than Dragic for Williams for me to do the deal. I haven't really thought this through that much, its just that how they do this year impacts our team.

Williams is intriquing. Is he a bust or just a good player in the wrong situation? I am certain I have no idea for sure, but McDonough probably knows his shoe size.

 

[Phrazbit]

If the Suns could do a Frye for Williams swap I'd do it in a heart beat. Minny uses him wrong, when Love has been out Williams has had some huge nights as a PF, but as a SF he does not have the handles to attack defenders of that size and his perimeter defense is iffy at best.

I think a really fair trade would be Marcus Morris and the Pacers 1st for Williams, but with Markieff playing so well it would be rather cruel to reward him by axing his brother.

As for the Dragic for Shved, Williams and no protection. I dont know if the Suns would do it and a really doubt Minnesota would. Minnesota does not need a point guard, they've got Rubio and JJ Barea, Dragic seems superfluous, especially at his salary.

I also really dont like Shved, IMO he is a not an NBA caliber player. The guy is an abysmal shooter and does not do anything else remotely well enough to make up for it.

 

[BC867]

... with Markieff playing so well it would be rather cruel to reward him by axing his brother.

That's the danger of having twins on the team. Should that really be the main consideration of a GM when trying to improve the team?

If a player needs his brother on the team to do his best, that is a shortcoming in the player. And if we are looking to move up in the standings, the novelty of twins on a team is hardly going to achieve it.

Dick and Tom Van Arsdale played together on the Suns during the 1976-77 season, which was the final year of play for both of them. It was not part of building a winner.

 

[JCSunsfan]

As for the Dragic for Shved, Williams and no protection. I dont know if the Suns would do it and a really doubt Minnesota would. Minnesota does not need a point guard, they've got Rubio and JJ Barea, Dragic seems superfluous, especially at his salary.

I also really dont like Shved, IMO he is a not an NBA caliber player. The guy is an abysmal shooter and does not do anything else remotely well enough to make up for it.

There is discussion about this on the RealGM Minny board. They would want Dragic as a combo guard replacement for Barea. They have lost confidence in Berea. They hate Shved and have lost interest in Williams.

Minny is one of those teams that is not really interested in the draft and wants to make the playoffs desperately. Its the type of team that makes sense to trade with. I think chances are about 50/50 that Love sits out with a signficant injury for at least 10 or more games this season. Its just his history.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's the danger of having twins on the team. Should that really be the main consideration of a GM when trying to improve the team?

If a player needs his brother on the team to do his best, that is a shortcoming in the player. And if we are looking to move up in the standings, the novelty of twins on a team is hardly going to achieve it.

Dick and Tom Van Arsdale played together on the Suns during the 1976-77 season, which was the final year of play for both of them. It was not part of building a winner.

It was more "Hey, Tom's in town, can we sign him to sit the bench this season. You never know if we need another body."

Adding Tom Van Arsdale to the roster was an afterthought--kind of a thank you gesture to Dick Van Arsdale for his time here.

 

[slinslin]

1. Williams sucks
2. We will get Minnesota's pick anyway the way they are playing

 

[TucsonDevil]

That's the danger of having twins on the team. Should that really be the main consideration of a GM when trying to improve the team?

Wasn't there a player that always had to be signed with Dennis Rodman to keep him under control? I could swear there was some white guy that went everywhere with Rodman.

 

[JCSunsfan]

1. Williams sucks
2. We will get Minnesota's pick anyway the way they are playing

True. We would have to get more than pick protections removed. But, it might make the Suns a little worse and gives the Suns another chance if Love gets injured (which is reasonbly likely given his history).

Anyway. its a thought.

 

[BC867]

Wasn't there a player that always had to be signed with Dennis Rodman to keep him under control? I could swear there was some white guy that went everywhere with Rodman.

Jack Kevin Haley (born January 27, 1964 in Long Beach, California) is an American former professional basketball player. A 6'10" forward/center from Huntington Beach High School and UCLA, Haley spent nine seasons (1988–1992; 1993–1998) in the National Basketball Association as a member of the Chicago Bulls, New Jersey Nets, Los Angeles Lakers, and San Antonio Spurs.
Haley was a member of the 1995-96 Bulls team which won a league-record 72 games and the NBA Championship, although he only played in one game during the regular season and did not participate in the playoffs. He was mainly known for his friendship with Dennis Rodman, and was sometimes referred to as Rodman's "babysitter". However, Haley bristled at the label, and argued that he had legitimately earned his spot on the team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Haley_(basketball)

Still not the same as someone's brother (family) being dealt.

 

[elindholm]

Wasn't there a player that always had to be signed with Dennis Rodman to keep him under control? I could swear there was some white guy that went everywhere with Rodman.

Yes, I can't remember, maybe Jerry Sichting?

On the other hand, going the extra mile to have Dennis Rodman on your team probably makes more sense than doing it for Markieff Morris. Also, there was no expectation that Rodman's sidekick would play much, whereas the Suns are establishing the unfortunate expectation that Marcus should be developed right along with his brother.

 

[Errntknght]

I think BC has it right about the Rodman sidekick being Jack Haley... that rings a faint bell with me and they were traded to Chi at the same time after both spending two years with the Spurs. Haley went to the Nets in 97 though so that weakens the evidence. I can find no evidence of Sichting being on a team with Rodman

 

[Mainstreet]

The Sacramento Kings will reportedly trade Luc Mbah a Moute for Derrick Williams of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...de-Derrick-Williams-To-Kings-For-Mbah-a-Moute

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Sacramento Kings will reportedly trade Luc Mbah a Moute for Derrick Williams of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...de-Derrick-Williams-To-Kings-For-Mbah-a-Moute

Who?