Mitch, you are going to love this bit of news.

[joeshmo]

Eric Moncur has star ability, but injuries completely de-railed him his last two years. I hope he sticks somewhere.

Was able to play 6 years in college because of injuries. Played two extra years even though he already had his degree. Kid had some tough breaks.

 

[joeshmo]

Levi Brown? Luv this kid!!!

Dont think it was him.

 

[joeshmo]

It is interesting that we are bringing in a bunch of players who seem to be a bit of a reach at 26,

Note that a lot of teams usually do what we are doing. Picks 1-10 teams usually bring in a much of top 10 talent only because its such a huge investment, you really hve to be sure. But picks 11 through 32 is no mans land sort of. A teams top 32 on their board is pretty easy to set up for them, lets face it you already know who the blue chippers are the just below blue chippers are. Its when you get outside of the top 32 where most of the debate and arguments start to happen. Thus scouts and GM's like to bring in those guys more often then not to help break so called tie breakers.

Then there are the teams that really only bring in small school guys with little tape and scouting done on them.

There is also the teams that only bring in undrafted free agent types. Meaning their board is pretty much set minus a few tweaks to be done in April. So they spend their 20 playerallotment they are allowed to bring in for visits per league rules, scouting and wooing undrafted free agents to sign with them come end of April. Like college scouting all over again, "come sign with us not that other team", type trip.

There are also secret trips. Where teams tell blue chip players agents to shut the heck up because it could tip the teams hand, and we will never find out if they came to town for a visit or not.

Then there are teams that do a combo of all the methods.

 

[Cards Czar]

So far here is the list of players we have or will be bringing in for a visit.

QB - Forgot his name, but I want to say Pike, Canfield, one of those 4th,5th,6th round QB prospects. It is pissing me off I cant remember who.
LB - Ricky Sapp - Clemson
DE - Sean Lissemore - William & Mary
LB - Daryl Washington - TCU
LB - Eric Moncur - Maimi
CB - Kareem Jackson - Alabama

Note there may be and probably is more, I or we don't know about.

Maybe Skelton. I know that the Cardinals did an intense interview with J. Chaney at the Combine.

 

[joeshmo]

Maybe Skelton. I know that the Cardinals did an intense interview with J. Chaney at the Combine.

Dont think it was him, are QB coach went to his pro day, but no info on bringing in for a personal visit here at the Tempe facility. Chaney was just one of a 100+ other guys we put through an interview. Its good info that we did take the time to interview him but its good to keep in perspective considering the huge amount of other prospects we interview at the combine.

Its also good to note that just because we talk to them or don't talk to them doesn't mean we will or wont pick them. Forgot which player it was but it was a recent one, we picked him even though we never talked to him even once during the whole process.

 

[binkar]

Note that a lot of teams usually do what we are doing. Picks 1-10 teams usually bring in a much of top 10 talent only because its such a huge investment, you really hve to be sure. But picks 11 through 32 is no mans land sort of. A teams top 32 on their board is pretty easy to set up for them, lets face it you already know who the blue chippers are the just below blue chippers are. Its when you get outside of the top 32 where most of the debate and arguments start to happen. Thus scouts and GM's like to bring in those guys more often then not to help break so called tie breakers.

Then there are the teams that really only bring in small school guys with little tape and scouting done on them.

There is also the teams that only bring in undrafted free agent types. Meaning their board is pretty much set minus a few tweaks to be done in April. So they spend their 20 playerallotment they are allowed to bring in for visits per league rules, scouting and wooing undrafted free agents to sign with them come end of April. Like college scouting all over again, "come sign with us not that other team", type trip.

There are also secret trips. Where teams tell blue chip players agents to shut the heck up because it could tip the teams hand, and we will never find out if they came to town for a visit or not.

Then there are teams that do a combo of all the methods.

Understandable. However, my point wasn't that I was surprised they were bringing in people who we probably won't pick at 26, but that we are bringing in a number of people who seem to be in a pocket of picks that won't be available to us. That said, it is necessary to see how much they like each player on the board in case an opportunity arises to go up and get someone they like, or to move down and get multiple people they like.

 

[bg7brd]

Understandable. However, my point wasn't that I was surprised they were bringing in people who we probably won't pick at 26, but that we are bringing in a number of people who seem to be in a pocket of picks that won't be available to us. That said, it is necessary to see how much they like each player on the board in case an opportunity arises to go up and get someone they like, or to move down and get multiple people they like.

Or have a player fall into our laps ala Calais Campbell

 

[Mitch]

Note that a lot of teams usually do what we are doing. Picks 1-10 teams usually bring in a much of top 10 talent only because its such a huge investment, you really hve to be sure. But picks 11 through 32 is no mans land sort of. A teams top 32 on their board is pretty easy to set up for them, lets face it you already know who the blue chippers are the just below blue chippers are. Its when you get outside of the top 32 where most of the debate and arguments start to happen. Thus scouts and GM's like to bring in those guys more often then not to help break so called tie breakers.

Then there are the teams that really only bring in small school guys with little tape and scouting done on them.

There is also the teams that only bring in undrafted free agent types. Meaning their board is pretty much set minus a few tweaks to be done in April. So they spend their 20 playerallotment they are allowed to bring in for visits per league rules, scouting and wooing undrafted free agents to sign with them come end of April. Like college scouting all over again, "come sign with us not that other team", type trip.

There are also secret trips. Where teams tell blue chip players agents to shut the heck up because it could tip the teams hand, and we will never find out if they came to town for a visit or not.

Then there are teams that do a combo of all the methods.

Excellent points, Joe. The Cardinals never really tipped their hand on Tim Hightower, for example, whom they were trying to steal in the middle rounds, and yet, with a later round prospect, LaRon Stephens-Howling, the Cardinals were very open about their interest in him.

I think the QB the Cardinals have been looking closely at is Sean Canfield of Oregon. We also know that Chris Miller was at Mike Kafka's Pro Day as he was at Colt McCoy's as well.

We shoud also add LB Sean Lee of Penn. St. to the list, as there has been a good deal of interest on the part of the Cardinals in him, as there has been in Jamar Chaney of Misissippi St.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Or have a player fall into our laps ala Calais Campbell

CC was a great surprise. The FO knew what they were looking for and CC was there to pick.

 

[Buckybird]

CC was a great surprise. The FO knew what they were looking for and CC was there to pick.

At least CC has the desire to be great, something that our previous gamble (Branch) doesn't.

 

[Shogun]

Trade up for Washington. DO EET.

 

[JeffGollin]

When you review the guys being slotted by the gurus as OLB's and ILB's, it seems as though quite often the bigger guys are considered OLB's whereas the smaller guys are listed as OLB's.

No doubt some of this is the result of DE's - who tend to be bigger - being switched to OLB, but I'd be curious for someone knowledgeable (i.e. a coach or scout/rather than a media guy) to jot down for us the "job descriptions" and the size & speed optimums, maximums and minimums for the four LB positions in the 3-4.

Also - especially since we can't be sure which DE's and LB's will come off the board before #26, don't forget about Jerry Hughes. In various scenarios, he seems to be the pass rusher most likely to fall to us.

Also - because when picking earlier in the first round, elite speed/size becomes a desired attribute in a pass rusher - a productive DE/OLB like Brandon Graham could conceivably be overlooked (in favor of guys like, for example, Pierre-Paul) and could fall through the cracks to us.

 

[kerouac9]

When you review the guys being slotted by the gurus as OLB's and ILB's, it seems as though quite often the bigger guys are considered OLB's whereas the smaller guys are listed as OLB's.

No doubt some of this is the result of DE's - who tend to be bigger - being switched to OLB, but I'd be curious for someone knowledgeable (i.e. a coach or scout/rather than a media guy) to jot down for us the "job descriptions" and the size & speed optimums, maximums and minimums for the four LB positions in the 3-4.

Also - especially since we can't be sure which DE's and LB's will come off the board before #26, don't forget about Jerry Hughes. In various scenarios, he seems to be the pass rusher most likely to fall to us.

Also - because when picking earlier in the first round, elite speed/size becomes a desired attribute in a pass rusher - a productive DE/OLB like Brandon Graham could conceivably be overlooked (in favor of guys like, for example, Pierre-Paul) and could fall through the cracks to us.

http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine3.html

This NT has to be a real monster of a guy, 350 pounds or so, because his job is to take on the center and one of the guards simultaneously on every single play. Then you get two more defensive tackles at around 300 pounds each, and play them up against the offensive tackles. All three of the defensive tackles have what is called two-gap responsibility. They are expected to hit the offensive linemen head on, and watch the play to make sure the running back doesn't come through on either side of them. Also, they're expected to hold their block so that the offensive linemen can't get out and block a linebacker.

In the 3-4 system, the linebackers are expected to make most of the plays. In the 3-4 system, the DTs play a more physical game as they are taking on one or two offensive linemen directly, play after play. Unlike the DTs in the 4-3, the DTs in the 3-4 are responsible for every single gap in the offensive line. Although the DTs get relatively few chances to make tackles or sack the quarterback, anything bad that happens is still ultimately their fault.

In the 3-4, you have four linebackers. Two of these guys are inside linebackers, and are expected to weigh roughly 240 pounds and be quite athletic. You also have two outside linebackers. These guys are sometimes called "tweeners," as they are in between the normal size of defensive ends and linebackers. These guys should weigh perhaps 255-265 pounds and also be quite athletic. Because these are linebackers, they tend to be faster than the heavier defensive ends. Their presence makes it much more difficult for the quarterback to roll out, as he will be rolling out directly into the path of one of these linebackers.

 

[JeffGollin]

Thanks for the 3-4 job profiles, Keruac.

But with the exception, perhaps, of McClain and a few of the convertable DE's like Kindle, Hughes and Graham, doesn't seem as though most if not all the top-rated ILB's and OLB's are kind of on the light side?

With this in mind, it's one thing for J Lott to help pack on another 10 -15 lbs of muscle, but with the caveat that the extra weight doesn't slow the dude down.

I just can't rid myself of the nightmare-image of a bunch of 235 lb guys flying around at LB but getting blacktopped by more physical running attacks.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Dont think it was him, are QB coach went to his pro day, but no info on bringing in for a personal visit here at the Tempe facility. Chaney was just one of a 100+ other guys we put through an interview. Its good info that we did take the time to interview him but its good to keep in perspective considering the huge amount of other prospects we interview at the combine.

Its also good to note that just because we talk to them or don't talk to them doesn't mean we will or wont pick them. Forgot which player it was but it was a recent one, we picked him even though we never talked to him even once during the whole process.

Kafka from Northwestern? I think it was reportred that Miller was at his pro day.

 

[binkar]

I hope we aren't interested in Canfield. Nothing about that guy excites me.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

K-9

Thanks for posting that about DT's. That was very informative.

 

[binkar]

Under that description, I would hope we could get Washington to 240.

 

[football karma]

Under that description, I would hope we could get Washington to 240.

seems questionable

this is a guy who played close to 220 for most of his career. He pushed to get up to 230 for the combine. He has a lanky, lean build -- and it could be that "forcing" him up to 240 could take away his best attribute -- speed

 

[Buckybird]

seems questionable

this is a guy who played close to 220 for most of his career. He pushed to get up to 230 for the combine. He has a lanky, lean build -- and it could be that "forcing" him up to 240 could take away his best attribute -- speed

you could say the say about Washington also

 

[kerouac9]

you could say the say about Washington also

He just did?