Mock Draft 2.0

[cardsfanmd]

Cards need to take a quarterback in one of the first two rounds ,just my opinion

I mean, that would be great and all........but there aren't any.

 

[Shaggy]

Ryan Williams, J.J. Arrington, Leeland McElroy, Chuck Levy, Tony Jeffery, Theotis Brown, George Franklin, James Germany, Bob Jackson (1962) is as far back as I'm going to research the 2nd rd RB's picked by the Cards.

Seriously, an atrocious list and I understand why none of this matters with BASK now in charge and all the other logical arguments why we shouldn't live in the past but let's just not irritate the FB gods and simply wait to take a RB until the 3rd rd.

Terdell Middleton, Terry Metcalf, Charlie Pittman are the 3rd rd RB's taken during the same time period. Terdell was traded to the Packers before playing for the Cards but he did play for 7 years in the NFL and made a Pro Bowl.

All this tells me we should wait until the 3rd rd to pick a RB this year. Certainly a very good one will fall to us.

I always thought it wasn't all on the RB. The OL has been bad for years and never gave any RB a chance to be successful. Am I wrong?

 

[Goldfield]

Have we ever had a 2nd round running back turn out well for us?

Have we ever had a good oline that could open holes for a running back?

 

[Russ Smith]

Maybe in round 5 or below. I've tried to like him but he's just not that good. I don't think he brings much more to the table, if as much, as Logan Thomas.

He's better than Thomas, a better runner for one thing. But not likely to be a successful NFL QB, he will drive his coaches and linemen nuts with the way he fails to react to a pass rush.

 

[BW52]

Nice work 52. Good athletes for positions that fit what the Cards need to get deeper at.

Thanks.CBUS did the original draft which was pretty good I just added my choices in RD 6 and 7.

 

[Chopper0080]

Now that the season is over, it's time to get into the mock draft season. I think we all have a fairly good idea of what the Cards needs are and I've tried to use those as the basis for this mock:

Round 1: Dante Fowler, OLB, Florida: He should give the Cards their pass rushing force for years to come. He has the size, speed, and athleticism to excel as an edge rusher in the NFL.

Round 2: TJ Yeldon, RB, Alabama: A perfect compliment to Ellington and would allow Ellington to return the more effective role he occupied as a rookie. Yeldon has been a 3 year starter and has nice pass catching skills as well. He'd be a steal in round 2.

Round 3: D'joun Smith CB, Florida Atlantic: My preferred choice is Kevin Johnson from Wake Forest but he'll likely be gone. Smith is no slouch in his own right. He's a ball hawk who can also support the run. He had 7 ints in 2013 and was the team's MVP.

Round 4: Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland: A great all purpose threat in the Percy Harvin mold. He can be the player the Cards thought they were getting when they signed Ted Ginn. He has the speed and elusiveness to score every time he touches the ball. Durability is an issue.

Round 5: Jake Ryan, ILB, Michigan: There's a later round player every year that I really want the Cards to draft and this year it's Ryan. I think he can be a force at ILB now that he has rounded back into form from his knee injury 2 years ago.

Round 6: Aundrey Walker, OG, USC: He's been injury prone with ankle issues but he's a highly talented player with a ton of upside. He's also big enough to back up at OT if needed but could be a force on the interior OL.

Round 7: Noah Spence, OLB, Ohio State: He's absolutely worth taking a flyer on in the late rounds. He's not only a 1st round talent but a top half of the 1st round talent. However, his multiple failed drug tests(Ecstasy) will probably lead him to be undrafted. He's a good kid that just needs to mature and is similar in that way to Honey Badger.

You stink. Your picks stink. Your friend stinks. Terrible.


That being said, nice work. In all honesty, good work, nice names, and good rationalization. I have heard ryan's name mentioned a couple places, and I need to look into him a bit more. I would be excited if Folwer was our pick. I don't love Yeldon, and I think the Cards will aim lower, but I see the fit. I also a return guy drafted. My thought was Lockette out of Kansas St., but Diggs could be that type of guy.

 

[dylanbw]

If Fowler does well at the combine, he will be long gone before pick #24. Would be great if he somehow fell to us though.

 

[Chopper0080]

If Fowler does well at the combine, he will be long gone before pick #24. Would be great if he somehow fell to us though.

He isn't an athletic freak like some of the other edge guys in this draftso I don't expect him to blow it up. That being said, he does a lot of different things very well.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Fowler does well at the combine, he will be long gone before pick #24. Would be great if he somehow fell to us though.

He isn't an athletic freak like some of the other edge guys in this draftso I don't expect him to blow it up. That being said, he does a lot of different things very well.

Not that it means much at this point, but I asked if he thought Fowler would be around for the Cards when I thought they were drafting 27th and my guy said that's around the area he thought Fowler would come of the board. Still, it only takes 1 team to like him early on and he's gone.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not that it means much at this point, but I asked if he thought Fowler would be around for the Cards when I thought they were drafting 27th and my guy said that's around the area he thought Fowler would come of the board. Still, it only takes 1 team to like him early on and he's gone.

Yeah...it only takes one who rates him higher than others. Personally, I look at him as the #3 edge rush player in this draft, but that won't be universal. Gregory, Ray, Folwer if you ask me. But, I still have no idea how teams will view and value Vic Beasley, Shaq Thompson, and Eric Kendricks. Alvin Dupree is going to probably have a very good combine and is ranked near Fowler. Odig is probably going to have a good combine, and is more of a DE. Danielle Hunter might test very well, and move up.

Lots of moving parts to factor in before anyone can say Fowler will or won'r be available. I would say he will go somewhere between #11 and #40, and anything more specific will be determined by an individual team.

 

[WildBB]

Now that the season is over, it's time to get into the mock draft season. I think we all have a fairly good idea of what the Cards needs are and I've tried to use those as the basis for this mock:

Round 1: Dante Fowler, OLB, Florida: He should give the Cards their pass rushing force for years to come. He has the size, speed, and athleticism to excel as an edge rusher in the NFL.

Round 2: TJ Yeldon, RB, Alabama: A perfect compliment to Ellington and would allow Ellington to return the more effective role he occupied as a rookie. Yeldon has been a 3 year starter and has nice pass catching skills as well. He'd be a steal in round 2.

Round 3: D'joun Smith CB, Florida Atlantic: My preferred choice is Kevin Johnson from Wake Forest but he'll likely be gone. Smith is no slouch in his own right. He's a ball hawk who can also support the run. He had 7 ints in 2013 and was the team's MVP.

Round 4: Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland: A great all purpose threat in the Percy Harvin mold. He can be the player the Cards thought they were getting when they signed Ted Ginn. He has the speed and elusiveness to score every time he touches the ball. Durability is an issue.

Round 5: Jake Ryan, ILB, Michigan: There's a later round player every year that I really want the Cards to draft and this year it's Ryan. I think he can be a force at ILB now that he has rounded back into form from his knee injury 2 years ago.

Round 6: Aundrey Walker, OG, USC: He's been injury prone with ankle issues but he's a highly talented player with a ton of upside. He's also big enough to back up at OT if needed but could be a force on the interior OL.

Round 7: Noah Spence, OLB, Ohio State: He's absolutely worth taking a flyer on in the late rounds. He's not only a 1st round talent but a top half of the 1st round talent. However, his multiple failed drug tests(Ecstasy) will probably lead him to be undrafted. He's a good kid that just needs to mature and is similar in that way to Honey Badger.

Just out of curiosity Cbus - if you would pick the positions you picked in a different order who would you take and where?

OLB, RB, CB, WR, ILB, G

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Just out of curiosity Cbus - if you would pick the positions you picked in a different order who would you take and where?

OLB, RB, CB, WR, ILB, G

How about:
RB: Gurley, round 1
LB: Lorenzo Mauldin, round 2
WR: Tyler Locket, round 3
CB: Doran Grant, round 4
ILB: I'm sticking with Ryan, he's my guy. round 5

 

[juza76]

How about:
RB: Gurley, round 1
LB: Lorenzo Mauldin, round 2
WR: Tyler Locket, round 3
CB: Doran Grant, round 4
ILB: I'm sticking with Ryan, he's my guy. round 5

at East-West Shrine Game practices didnt show any ability in coverage ,couldnt cover anyone,considering the level of players he faced there,disappointing

 

[football karma]

How about:
RB: Gurley, round 1
LB: Lorenzo Mauldin, round 2
WR: Tyler Locket, round 3
CB: Doran Grant, round 4
ILB: I'm sticking with Ryan, he's my guy. round 5

given the depth of the RB class, the overall devaluation of RBs generally, an ACL injury on a guy who needs explosion and the fact he likeley wont be ready on day one of the season................... does Gurley go Round 1?

I dont think he does ---- and I suspect its mid round 2 when he does ---

the top of the draft teams are ones who need immediate help. By 16 or later, you are getting teams who feel like they can afford to wait a year.

 

[kerouac9]

Ryan Williams, J.J. Arrington, Leeland McElroy, Chuck Levy, Tony Jeffery, Theotis Brown, George Franklin, James Germany, Bob Jackson (1962) is as far back as I'm going to research the 2nd rd RB's picked by the Cards.

Seriously, an atrocious list and I understand why none of this matters with BASK now in charge and all the other logical arguments why we shouldn't live in the past but let's just not irritate the FB gods and simply wait to take a RB until the 3rd rd.

Terdell Middleton, Terry Metcalf, Charlie Pittman are the 3rd rd RB's taken during the same time period. Terdell was traded to the Packers before playing for the Cards but he did play for 7 years in the NFL and made a Pro Bowl.

All this tells me we should wait until the 3rd rd to pick a RB this year. Certainly a very good one will fall to us.

Except that Keim hand-picked Ryan Williams, who turned out to be terrible. Not a single snap in the offense or special teams for Dallas in 2014.

Maybe Bruce Arians didn't just have a personal beef with L'il Sweetness.

Also--and it pains me to say this--this staff did have Stepfan Taylor rated ahead of Andre Ellington.

 

[Bodha]

He isn't an athletic freak like some of the other edge guys in this draftso I don't expect him to blow it up. That being said, he does a lot of different things very well.

He had a 3.5 sack game in his final appearance (Bowl game). People already liked him and if its true "What have you done for me lately", that guy is not sliding.

How about:
RB: Gurley, round 1
LB: Lorenzo Mauldin, round 2
WR: Tyler Locket, round 3
CB: Doran Grant, round 4
ILB: I'm sticking with Ryan, he's my guy. round 5

thank goodness for Ryan (big fan of his), this mock is awful. But Mock drafts are ridiculous in themselves, so Its impossible to be offended.

a RB in round 1 is strike 1. A RB with a torn ACL who wont even play next year is strikes 2-9.

Mauldin look destined to bust

Lockett has major dropsies

Doran Grant wont even make to the 4th

 

[BigRedRage]

Except that Keim hand-picked Ryan Williams, who turned out to be terrible. Not a single snap in the offense or special teams for Dallas in 2014.

Maybe Bruce Arians didn't just have a personal beef with L'il Sweetness.

Also--and it pains me to say this--this staff did have Stepfan Taylor rated ahead of Andre Ellington.

Oddly, Ryan Williams just got a 2 year extension too.

 

[Chopper0080]

How about:
RB: Gurley, round 1
LB: Lorenzo Mauldin, round 2
WR: Tyler Locket, round 3
CB: Doran Grant, round 4
ILB: I'm sticking with Ryan, he's my guy. round 5

Ryan has looked awful at the East West Practices. "Lost in coverage".

I like the idea of Lockett in round 3. Devin Smith might work there as well.

 

[Chopper0080]

He had a 3.5 sack game in his final appearance (Bowl game). People already liked him and if its true "What have you done for me lately", that guy is not sliding.



thank goodness for Ryan (big fan of his), this mock is awful. But Mock drafts are ridiculous in themselves, so Its impossible to be offended.

a RB in round 1 is strike 1. A RB with a torn ACL who wont even play next year is strikes 2-9.

Mauldin look destined to bust

Lockett has major dropsies

Doran Grant wont even make to the 4th

No one said anything about him sliding. He isn't going to test as well as some other players at the combine...fact. He is a bit of a tweener which will cause him to fall on some teams boards who run a 4-3...that can limit where he goes. On teams looking for tweeners for a 3-4, some may consider him the 3rd guy, and some the 5th. So, using this info, it's safe to say he will go somewhere in the 11 to 45 range, but where exactly will depend on how the teams compare him to Alvin Dupree, Shane Ray, Nate Orchard, and Danielle Hunter.

Lockett has return ability, and would be a complimentry receiver which reduces the emphasis on his drop rate (which I doubt you have and I don't care to find).

I agree with your dislike of Maudlin. Doesn't seem quick enough to consistently win with speed off the edge, and doesn't show enough strength to make me believe he can hold up at POA, or rush with power.

Ryan is a less athletic Minter.

 

[kerouac9]

Oddly, Ryan Williams just got a 2 year extension too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...sign-ryan-williams-to-reservefuture-contract/

Kind of. A reserve/futures contract isn't exactly an extension.

Apparently, Williams wasn't even on their active roster at the end of the year.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1947667-everything-you-need-to-know-about-nfl-futures-contracts

 

[Bodha]

No one said anything about him sliding. He isn't going to test as well as some other players at the combine...fact. He is a bit of a tweener which will cause him to fall on some teams boards who run a 4-3...that can limit where he goes. On teams looking for tweeners for a 3-4, some may consider him the 3rd guy, and some the 5th. So, using this info, it's safe to say he will go somewhere in the 11 to 45 range, but where exactly will depend on how the teams compare him to Alvin Dupree, Shane Ray, Nate Orchard, and Danielle Hunter.

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Who are you comparing him to? Shane Ray and Vic Beasley? No, Fowler will not match them athletically. But they are freaks. "Freak" is not the bar. Fowler is very average good 1st round pick pass rusher athleticism. And 'Freak' isn't how I grade talent either. Fowler is more than fast enough, more than strong enough to be the best pass rusher weve had in years. The guy is playmaker.

and don't include Danielle Hunter amongst these names. That's almost a smack in the face of those other guys whove proven themselves in college. Hunter isn't nothing but a big veiny dude whos impressive to look at. He hasn't done squat.

 

[Chopper0080]

Who are you comparing him to? Shane Ray and Vic Beasley? No, Fowler will not match them athletically. But they are freaks. "Freak" is not the bar. Fowler is very average good 1st round pick pass rusher athleticism. And 'Freak' isn't how I grade talent either. Fowler is more than fast enough, more than strong enough to be the best pass rusher weve had in years. The guy is playmaker.

and don't include Danielle Hunter amongst these names. That's almost a smack in the face of those other guys whove proven themselves in college. Hunter isn't nothing but a big veiny dude whos impressive to look at. He hasn't done squat.

You may not value freaks, but every year teams draft players, and every year athleticism is valued with pass rushers. It isn't a statement against Fowler that players who show more burst and athleticism at the combine might get drafted before him because of it. That is reality. It doesn't mean he can't get drafted high, but it does mean it isn't certain he will be drafted high.

College statistics mean very little in terms of the NFL draft. Ansah was a perfect example of that. Hunter is an atheltic talent who played for a big college program, and who has an NFL body and NFL athleticism. He will show very well at the combine. I don't know where the indignation comes from regarding him...he is a potential top 45 pick, just like the rest.

 

[football karma]

You may not value freaks, but every year teams draft players, and every year athleticism is valued with pass rushers. It isn't a statement against Fowler that players who show more burst and athleticism at the combine might get drafted before him because of it. That is reality. It doesn't mean he can't get drafted high, but it does mean it isn't certain he will be drafted high.

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Barkavious Mingo was drafted 7th overall with almost no stats to speak of.

Pass rushing DE seems to be a place where the NFL seems to beleive that build + explosion is enough to work with

 

[juza76]

You may not value freaks, but every year teams draft players, and every year athleticism is valued with pass rushers. It isn't a statement against Fowler that players who show more burst and athleticism at the combine might get drafted before him because of it. That is reality. It doesn't mean he can't get drafted high, but it does mean it isn't certain he will be drafted high.

College statistics mean very little in terms of the NFL draft. Ansah was a perfect example of that. Hunter is an atheltic talent who played for a big college program, and who has an NFL body and NFL athleticism. He will show very well at the combine. I don't know where the indignation comes from regarding him...he is a potential top 45 pick, just like the rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kla088kTOMQ

after watching this video i m not impressed at all
doesnt look fluid and i think he doesnt have the initial burnst i thought he could have

 

[football karma]

Except that Keim hand-picked Ryan Williams, who turned out to be terrible. Not a single snap in the offense or special teams for Dallas in 2014.

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this would be more of an indictment had Williams not blown a patellar tendon