Mock draft with explanations and NBA comparisons

[PhxGametime]

Hcsilla, no Boris Diaw? Obviously I've never seen him play but right now he's favorite (Wade won't drop) and he didn't make your 1st Round? You would know more than me - are comparsions to Kirilenko off?

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by BbaLL_31
Hcsilla, no Boris Diaw? Obviously I've never seen him play but right now he's favorite (Wade won't drop) and he didn't make your 1st Round? You would know more than me - are comparsions to Kirilenko off?

I have very similar opinion about Diaw as about Pietrus.

I agree that probably both will be 1st round picks but I don't understand why.

Kirilenko was a much more assertive and skilled player in Europe than Diaw is.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
I don't quite understand why Collison seems so high on a lot of fans' lists for the Suns pick... He's a decent player, but 1) he doesn't fill a need.

I think that a good scoring backup PF who is a good team- and hustleplayer and has good basketball IQ fills a need for the Suns.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I think that a good scoring backup PF who is a good team- and hustleplayer and has good basketball IQ fills a need for the Suns.

But that need isn't nearly as great as at least 2 others, which can possibly be addressed in this draft.

 

[Goldfield]

20) Boston20) Boston - David West

NBA comparison: Malik Rose

BOS isn't the greatest place for young long-term prospects. Ask Joe Johnson, Joe Forte and Kedrick Brown! They don't have a backup PF who is an inside-force so they take West who can perform from day one.
- David West


wierd I just compaired him to Malik in a different post just afew min's ago lol

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
But that need isn't nearly as great as at least 2 others, which can possibly be addressed in this draft.

No, it isn't but it's still a need.
Furthermore I don't really see how Cabarkapa or West fills a much greater need than Collison does.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by hcsilla
No, it isn't but it's still a need.
Furthermore I don't really see how Cabarkapa or West fills a much greater need than Collison does.

Zarko, West, and Cook should be able to play either forward position. Collison is strictly a power forward. Cook and Zarko might even be able to play some center against smaller lineups.

That said, I'm not completely opposed to drafting Collison. I think there will probably be better choices available, but I wouldn't be terribly disappointed with him.

Joe Mama

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by sly fly
I'm not a huge Collison fan, but he does come from a great system. The guy knows how to play ball. It's not like the Suns will have to wait 5 years before they see a finished product.

He could probably step right in and contribute.

A poor man's Raef Lafrentz.

Gak! A poor man's LaFrentz? I'd HATE to see what a poor man LaFrentz is capable of, since Raef is already completely soft, slow, and unimpressive.

ANd by the way, Duke has a great program, too. How many of their players succeed in the NBA?

 

[schutd]

You guys, I like hcsilla's mock draft. The only glaring omission in the first round I can see, and that is based on what everyone else is saying, and not what I know is Zarko.

He created a mock draft that reflects his opinions, and doesnt just go along closely with what the "experts" are saying, and I think thats cool. It reflects his personal opinion on where players should go and their best fit on teams.

Its cool to read other people's opinions and hypothesize on them rather than talking ad nauseum about what the major players are syaing is going to happen. Nice work hcsilla.

 

[ThatsAmare]

I could be wrong here, but didn't Van Arsdale compare Collison to "a less athletic Googs" when they brought him in? We've already got the real Googs and he is plenty unathletic for my tastes.

 

[Chaplin]

Nobody said it wasn't nice work. I don't recall anyone coming out and saying that it was complete crap. This thread is 3 pages long, he did his mock in order to provoke discussion, and I'd say he's succeeded Dave. There's no need to defend him. He did a good job. There's a lot of disagreement, but I'm sure hcsilla isn't surprised one bit.

 

[schutd]

And I don't recall saying that anyone called his mock complete crap. I was just posting an opinion, not defending anyone...

 

[boisesuns]

another article said we would take mike sweetney from georgetown.

6-8 262. averaged 22 points 10 boards in college.
here's what is syas about him: "an early entry...solid work ethic...runs the floors well for his size...has great hands in the paint...can score from 15 feet"

apparently he has had some poor workouts though. at the rate all these mock drafts are going, i'm not thinking any of them will be right we'll draft someone that falls too far(like amare) or draft someone we are smoke screening right now.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by boisesuns
another article said we would take mike sweetney from georgetown.

6-8 262. averaged 22 points 10 boards in college.
here's what is syas about him: "an early entry...solid work ethic...runs the floors well for his size...has great hands in the paint...can score from 15 feet"

apparently he has had some poor workouts though. at the rate all these mock drafts are going, i'm not thinking any of them will be right we'll draft someone that falls too far(like amare) or draft someone we are smoke screening right now.

Well, if Sweetney happens to be there, it would be awful hard to pass him up.

 

[Freddie]

Have any of you seen David West play?

He's not going to play small forward anytime soon. He has some nice moves around the basket, he can shoot from 15 feet, and can pass the ball well. He'll be a solid role player, but he's not going to be a star nor is he Malik Rose. He already has more of an arsenal than Malik, and Malik plays much more aggressive.

The whole reason West's stock has dropped is that he hasn't been able to prove he'll be able to play SF.

Brian Cook will not be playing SF in the NBA, either. He's too slow, uncoordinated, and unathletic to guard the likes of Paul Pierce, Carter, Jefferson, Ricky Davis, etc. The reason his stock has been on the rise is that he's proving he's tougher than many assume. Many scouts are starting think he'll be able to play PF in the NBA.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Freddie
Have any of you seen David West play?

He's not going to play small forward anytime soon. He has some nice moves around the basket, he can shoot from 15 feet, and can pass the ball well. He'll be a solid role player, but he's not going to be a star nor is he Malik Rose. He already has more of an arsenal than Malik, and Malik plays much more aggressive.

The whole reason West's stock has dropped is that he hasn't been able to prove he'll be able to play SF.

Brian Cook will not be playing SF in the NBA, either. He's too slow, uncoordinated, and unathletic to guard the likes of Paul Pierce, Carter, Jefferson, Ricky Davis, etc. The reason his stock has been on the rise is that he's proving he's tougher than many assume. Many scouts are starting think he'll be able to play PF in the NBA.

David West has said he won't play Small Forward, but I don't put too much credence in that. He doesn't nearly have the type of body that Amare has, and because of that, he won't be a serviceable PF.

As for Cook, I pretty much agree with you there. I think he's an interesting prospect, but he just doesn't fill that great a need, and there are more question marks with him than a few other guys.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Freddie
Have any of you seen David West play?

He's not going to play small forward anytime soon. He has some nice moves around the basket, he can shoot from 15 feet, and can pass the ball well. He'll be a solid role player, but he's not going to be a star nor is he Malik Rose. He already has more of an arsenal than Malik, and Malik plays much more aggressive.

The whole reason West's stock has dropped is that he hasn't been able to prove he'll be able to play SF.

Brian Cook will not be playing SF in the NBA, either. He's too slow, uncoordinated, and unathletic to guard the likes of Paul Pierce, Carter, Jefferson, Ricky Davis, etc. The reason his stock has been on the rise is that he's proving he's tougher than many assume. Many scouts are starting think he'll be able to play PF in the NBA.

David West and Brian Cook are not your prototypical power forwards. They aren't prototypical NBA small forwards either. However the NBA is littered with players who don't fit into either position. If Brian Cook, David West, or Zarko is spending any significant time guarding Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson , Ricky Davis , etc. it means Shawn Marion is injured. Besides, on the other end of the court each of those possible draft picks would easily back down and shoot over those NBA stars. The gate swings both ways.

Joe Mama

 

[Freddie]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
David West and Brian Cook are not your prototypical power forwards. They aren't prototypical NBA small forwards either. However the NBA is littered with players who don't fit into either position. If Brian Cook, David West, or Zarko is spending any significant time guarding Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson , Ricky Davis , etc. it means Shawn Marion is injured. Besides, on the other end of the court each of those possible draft picks would easily back down and shoot over those NBA stars. The gate swings both ways.

Joe Mama

If we draft any of those guys, do you think they're going to have plays run for them? I don't think so, even if they have a mismatch.

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by Freddie
If we draft any of those guys, do you think they're going to have plays run for them? I don't think so, even if they have a mismatch.

When was the last time Frank ever used a mismatch???

 

[hcsilla]

Thank you, schutd and Chaplin.

About West and Cook:

West had a bad game when I saw him so it can deflect my opinion about him.
His movement was mechanical and he didn't seem to be a fluid athlete. He has some post-up moves but nothing spectacular and his shooting is erratic. He definitely lacks the one-on-one skills and the lateral quickness of an NBA SF.
His athleticism, rebounding ability and hustle-play are above average.

Cook is more talented and skilled (although he has to work both on his shooting and post-up play) but I was scared of his unathleticism.He is almost invisible in the paint in defense which is pretty sad from a 6'10'' NCAA PF.
Of course if he would be more athletic then he would be a lottery pick.

At this point I'm not sure that West or Cook will ever become a quality backup F in NBA while I do think that Nick Collison will be a fine PF as a starter as well.

 

[hcsilla]

I have the feeling that Suns would prefer Cook over West.