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1. The common denominator of the the three UFA signings of C/G Al Johnson, FS Terrence Holt and CB Roderick Hood: young players with 4-5 years of NFL experience. The philosophy is a sound one to sign players who are ready to emerge as solid, productive performers.

2. The questions are (with regard to the limited cap space to sign UFAs): (1) why a center (at $7m the first year) and not an offensive tackle?...particularly in light of tendering C Nick Leckey at $1.3M...which, if both remain at center, the Cardinals are alloting $8.3M of the cap on the center position...has to be an NFL record allotment for centers, by far. (2) why a free safety and not an outside linebacker?...particularly in light of the handsome contract extension the Cardinals gave to FS Aaron Francisco.

3. Good news: the players who have been added are coming in to compete for starting jobs...and comeptition for starting jobs will be a focal point of the upcoming mini-camps, training camp and pre-season. This is what the team needs...because competition at all positions will only make the team stronger and it will make it imperative for players to come to camp in great shape if they want to win starting jobs.

4. Interesting thought: Is T Levi Brown a better fit for Whiz's system than T Joe Thomas? Whiz loves big maulers at tackle to propel the physical style of offensive line play in order to help produce a formidible running attack. Brown is the best run blocking tackle in the draft...Thomas is more of a finesse tackle, who is more adept at pass blocking on an island. But, according to the scouts, Brown's footwork in pass blocking will no longer be an issue once he's coached properly, because Brown does have quick feet, he just lacks consistent technique.

Trusting the pundits is tempting...but...every year there are late first, second and third round surprises who wind up out-playing the elite prospects...

In light of this notion and in light of the proto-typical offensive linemen the Steelers have always been adept at drafting...I would be willing to bet you that the offensive lineman in this draft that Whiz and Grimm would like to have more that any other is T/G Justin Blalock of Texas. Blalock fits the Steeler mold to a tee.

The Cards would have to trade up from #38 to select Blalock, who is likely to go in the 24-34 range. But...don't be too shocked if Pittsburgh takes him at #15.

5. Interesting thought II: Edgerrin James is not the downhill-type RB Whiz likes for his offense. One has to wonder what will become of Edge this year, especially if Whiz finds a Willie Parker type RB who will hit the holes with a burst.

6. With Terrence Holt's signing...if Holt appears to have the edge over Aaron Francisco as the starting FS, I would love to see the coaches have Francisco challenge Antrel Rolle for the starting LCB position. Francisco was signed as a CB out of BYU and is no stranger to the position. He has better wheels than Rolle and is just as sudden a run forcer and tackler.

7. Why in the world hasn't an OLB been coveted? Are the Cardinals really expecting to find their starter at SLB in the second or third round of this draft?

It's not a particularly good or deep draft for linebackers to begin with...in fact, only one LB looks like a first round lock: MLB Patrick Willis of Mississippi. Paul Posluszny, Lawrence Timmons and Jon Beason are projected as late first, early second rounders. The Cardinals may be able to draft one of them at #38...but PFW has Willis going to SF at #11, Posluszny to NO at #27 and Timmons to BAL at #29...and if this is somewhat accurate, it's likely that Beason will be well gone by #38...

I would venture to say that no other linebackers in this draft are ready to jump in as bona fide, productive starters.
 
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I Would Take Levi Jones Or Joe Thomas.we Need Help In Our Off Line.im Sick Of Playing Games.time Too Win Now.
 

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Good write up Mitch.

2. The questions are (with regard to the limited cap space to sign UFAs): (1) why a center (at $7m the first year) and not an offensive tackle?...particularly in light of tendering C Nick Leckey at $1.3M...which, if both remain at center, the Cardinals are alloting $8.3M of the cap on the center position...has to be an NFL record allotment for centers, by far. (2) why a free safety and not an outside linebacker?...particularly in light of the handsome contract extension the Cardinals gave to FS Aaron Francisco

Yes the money being spent on the Centers is high. I am trying to justify it by telling myself that Johnson is also very valueable depth at guard in the event of an injury. Why didn't they go after any tackles or outside linebackers? I think for the same reason that they let Big walk. The production does not equal the price.

3. Good news: the players who have been added are coming in to compete for starting jobs...and comeptition for starting jobs will be a focal point of the upcoming mini-camps, training camp and pre-season. This is what the team needs...because competition at all positions will only make the team stronger and it will make it imperative for players to come to camp in great shape if they want to win starting jobs.

Just to add to what you already have really quick: Another plus to have competition for starting jobs means that there is much less dropoff from first to second-teamers.

5. Interesting thought II: Edgerrin James is not the downhill-type RB Whiz likes for his offense. One has to wonder what will become of Edge this year, especially if Whiz finds a Willie Parker type RB who will hit the holes with a burst.

I wonder if that guy might be Marcel Shipp. Gotta keep in mind two things:

1) Parker was just like Shipp, he was either undrafted or a 6th or 7th rounder who had the speed and hard-nosed style that Whiz liked.

2) Shipp made it clear that while he loved Arizona his priority in FA was to find a team that would give him some carries. I doubt he would still be here if Whiz didn't convince him that he had a shot to make that happen.
 

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I wouldn't say that Shipp has speed.....especially after his broken leg. Now JJ Arrington has a chance to show something...if he has something to show. I personally think we'll have a pleasant surprise out of him this year!
 
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Mitch said:
5. Interesting thought II: Edgerrin James is not the downhill-type RB Whiz likes for his offense. One has to wonder what will become of Edge this year, especially if Whiz finds a Willie Parker type RB who will hit the holes with a burst.
I wonder if that guy might be Marcel Shipp. Gotta keep in mind two things:

1) Parker was just like Shipp, he was either undrafted or a 6th or 7th rounder who had the speed and hard-nosed style that Whiz liked.

2) Shipp made it clear that while he loved Arizona his priority in FA was to find a team that would give him some carries. I doubt he would still be here if Whiz didn't convince him that he had a shot to make that happen.
I think that everything that we know indicates that a bigger role than Shipp had last season is being projected. But James is still going to get the majority of carries. The way to keep James happy is enable him to pick up yardage. If he can gain as much or more yardage in less carrys, Edge will be smiling.
 

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Some teams think Blaylock can play right tackle. I could see the Ravens or Bears grabbing him late in the first. When Mitch said that Blaylock was a Steeler kind of lineman I had to grin cuz I was thinking the same thing. What about Lorenzo Booker if he makes it to the third? Whiz could find creative ways to use him and cause matchup problems. If we dont get an end in the first round I would love Anthony Spencer in the second round.
 

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If Thomas is not there for the Cards to pick, do you trade next year's number 1 for Levi Brown, if Brown is there at pick 20-30?
 
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If Thomas is not there for the Cards to pick, do you trade next year's number 1 for Levi Brown, if Brown is there at pick 20-30?

Great thought...I have a feeling that Levi Brown will be a slider in this draft...look at the way other offensive tackles have slid, like Winston Justice to #39 and Marcus McNeill to #50 last year.

A team that would trade for the Cardinals' 2008 #1 is the New England Patriots who pick twice in the that range at #24 and #28.

The Pats have addressed all their major needs in free agency and they would love to think that the Cards' 2008 pick might be in the upper half of the first round. Of course, we hope it isn't.
 

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Great thought...I have a feeling that Levi Brown will be a slider in this draft...look at the way other offensive tackles have slid, like Winston Justice to #39 and Marcus McNeill to #50 last year.

A team that would trade for the Cardinals' 2008 #1 is the New England Patriots who pick twice in the that range at #24 and #28.

The Pats have addressed all their major needs in free agency and they would love to think that the Cards' 2008 pick might be in the upper half of the first round. Of course, we hope it isn't.

Yeah but they slid for good reasons, Justice ironically because he was in trouble with the law twice in college, McNeil because of a neck injury that terrified most teams.

If Brown has something like that he might slide.
 
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Yeah but they slid for good reasons, Justice ironically because he was in trouble with the law twice in college, McNeil because of a neck injury that terrified most teams.

If Brown has something like that he might slide.

Agreed...but...offensive tackles are not sexy picks in the first round...suddenly DBs are, and with such a good stock of DBs in this draft, I bet they will be coming off the board fast and furiously.
 

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I like Shipp but he just can't take the pounding if he gets many carries a game. They will almost have to use him sparingly it seems. I am hoping that JJ can step it up and show why he was a 2nd round pick this year. Maybe Whis can get inside his head and tap into his talent and potential.
 

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Late rd RB with speed to burn that would compliment Edge..


Garrett Wolfe


That kid is super fast and tough. He is small 5-7/5-8 ish but so is Willie Parker. This kid plays for NIU with Doug Free and has absolutely torched OSU and Michigan.

Wolfe’s Career Rushing Stats

Year G/GS No. Yds. Avg. TD Lg Yds/Gm

2004 11/6 256 1,656 6.5 18 84 150.5

2005 9/9 242 1,580 6.5 16 76 175.6

2006 11/11 262 1,736 6.6 17 75 157.8

Career 31/26 760 4,972 6.5 51 84 160.4


2006 at Ohio St. 26 rushes 171 yds
2005 at Michigan 17 rushes 148 yds

Chk out this video of him against OSU...

Also check out #62 Doug Free at LT. Also notice how many times he follows the run all the way down field.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=U_N4jeoGz2M
 

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4. Interesting thought: Is T Levi Brown a better fit for Whiz's system than T Joe Thomas? Whiz loves big maulers at tackle to propel the physical style of offensive line play in order to help produce a formidible running attack. Brown is the best run blocking tackle in the draft...Thomas is more of a finesse tackle, who is more adept at pass blocking on an island. But, according to the scouts, Brown's footwork in pass blocking will no longer be an issue once he's coached properly, because Brown does have quick feet, he just lacks consistent technique.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read his scouting report. Whiz wants to run the ball 30 - 40 times a game. With that in mind, Levi Brown would be a better fit.
 

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I was thinking the exact same thing when I read his scouting report. Whiz wants to run the ball 30 - 40 times a game. With that in mind, Levi Brown would be a better fit.

With the great WRs we have the pass protection will still be critical. If Levi can get his foot work together thats great but how long would that take and what does that mean for the health of Lienart?
 

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I think that a running back Whiz will look into is Chris Henry. He's very much like Willie Parker in that he has a ton of physical talent but no vision. This wouldn't be a surprise at all if we took him in fifth round.

As for Levi Brown, I disagree about him being a Pitt type of tackle. Brown's biggest knock on him is that he's soft and quits on plays. Doesn't seem like the type of player Whiz is interested in adding.
 

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I was entralled right up to that point when you just had to go outside the box, :D

6. With Terrence Holt's signing...if Holt appears to have the edge over Aaron Francisco as the starting FS, I would love to see the coaches have Francisco challenge Antrel Rolle for the starting LCB position. Francisco was signed as a CB out of BYU and is no stranger to the position. He has better wheels than Rolle and is just as sudden a run forcer and tackler.

So, Francisco who would evidently lose the starting opportunity at FS, would move to take on Rolle. I have a hard time imaging this, added to the fact that Pendy uses 3 safeties extensively.
 

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Why would we resign Shipp and then draft a RB? Especially since we only have 6 picks right now as it is? Unless they already know JJ can't cut it is the only thing I can think of. Seems like drafting a RB is risky. If JJ does turn out to be worthy of his 2nd round selection then they have a glut at RB. I would rather have a glut at OT is it is right now.
 

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4. Interesting thought: Is T Levi Brown a better fit for Whiz's system than T Joe Thomas? Whiz loves big maulers at tackle to propel the physical style of offensive line play in order to help produce a formidible running attack. Brown is the best run blocking tackle in the draft...Thomas is more of a finesse tackle, who is more adept at pass blocking on an island. But, according to the scouts, Brown's footwork in pass blocking will no longer be an issue once he's coached properly, because Brown does have quick feet, he just lacks consistent technique.


6. With Terrence Holt's signing...if Holt appears to have the edge over Aaron Francisco as the starting FS, I would love to see the coaches have Francisco challenge Antrel Rolle for the starting LCB position. Francisco was signed as a CB out of BYU and is no stranger to the position. He has better wheels than Rolle and is just as sudden a run forcer and tackler.
First, Thomas is a very good run blocker. Also, I don't think there is any way that Francisco could play LCB, there is nothing that he has done that has shown me otherwise.
 

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Please You Could Have Walter Payton,barry Sanders,and Emmitt Smith All Rolled Into One.we Are Not Going No Where Without A Line Period Get Over It.WE DON'T NEED Peterson No Way.please Levi Brown Or Joe Thomas Its That Simple,get A Line And Jj Might Be The Next Willie Parker.(maybe)get A Line Enough Is Enough.I Would Draft At Least 4 Off Line In The Draft.plan A Off Line(year One)plan B Def If Needed(2nd Year)
 
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First, Thomas is a very good run blocker. Also, I don't think there is any way that Francisco could play LCB, there is nothing that he has done that has shown me otherwise.

Thomas did not run block like a #5 pick in the games I saw him...not even close...

As for Francisco...he' such a good athlete and aggressive player, why not try him everywhere in the secondary?

I guess I'm one of the only ones who questions Rolle's ability to play a good LCB...he was so bad last year, it was like watching Oliver Ross at RT two years ago.

I hope Rolle plays well this year...but, the Cards should have someone on his tail competing for that job.
 

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Thomas did not run block like a #5 pick in the games I saw him...not even close...

As for Francisco...he' such a good athlete and aggressive player, why not try him everywhere in the secondary?

I guess I'm one of the only ones who questions Rolle's ability to play a good LCB...he was so bad last year, it was like watching Oliver Ross at RT two years ago.

I hope Rolle plays well this year...but, the Cards should have someone on his tail competing for that job.

Francisco was worse in coverage than Rolle. No doubt I love Francisco, but he doesn't have the athleticism to play CB, and barely gets by at FS. Rolle is our number one corner of the future until he proves otherwise.
 

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Tcf, thanks for that Garret Wolfe heads up. Never heard of him before.
 

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Francisco was worse in coverage than Rolle. No doubt I love Francisco, but he doesn't have the athleticism to play CB, and barely gets by at FS. Rolle is our number one corner of the future until he proves otherwise.

We weren't watching the same players then.
 

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