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1. Some good teams lost 4th quarter leads and their games yesterday:

Bengals
Packers
Bucs (wow what a way to lose a virtually guaranteed win, huh?)

And like the Cardinals, all of those teams were on the road where momentum shifts can make a huge difference.

2. I find it uncanny that we as fans knew so little about Todd Bowles defense and what he was going to throw at the Rams, and yet, the Rams' offensive line seemed to know exactly where the blitzes were coming every time the Cardinals' blitzed.

It makes you wonder whether the defense we saw in pre-season (package and blitz-wise) was already the one we now see in games, because the Rams sure were prepared for all of it. No pressure wrinkle worked. Even with the 2nd string RT in the game.

3. Tyrann Mathieu did one heckuva job on Tavon Austin---the problem was that it didn't free Mathieu up to blitz, which has to be corrected because Mathieu is such a force in bringing pressure.

4. The Cardinals' throwing and pass catching in this game was the best we have seen since the Green Bay playoff extravaganza. Talk about being locked in. Michael Floyd's one handed catch on the deep ball---Roberts' sensational catch on the sidelines and everywhere in between---and even Dray and Sperry's catches were squeaky clean.

5. The wheel route---in retrospect---if you are going to run that play on such an important third down, you are much better off running it to the right, not the left, because it is a much easier throw for a right handed QB.

Notice how much Palmer overthrew Fitz on the first fade pass left. It was SO great BA came right back with the same call on second down and notice how Palmer adjusted his throw and made it perfect.

Throwing left with accuracy requires quicker footwork and shoulder turn (squaring)---and it is harder to do this under pressure.

6. BA's credibility---you know I think we understand (to a small degree) why BA called Levi Brown "elite." First of all, it was wishful thinking...but the hope was that Brown could resume his best form from the last eight games of 2010, especially because BA&SK had bigger needs to fill (at least in how they prioritized the needs).

But now---the whole "we don't throw to the RBs" statement that BA was adamant about, and yet in the most crucial spot in the game, BA throws a wheel route to a rookie RB who had only played a few snaps in the game.

Plus---did you notice how often BA went to empty backfields in order to get 5 "quicks" on third downs? BA didn't even keep 5 WRs on the roster---so yesterday we saw the RBs being used as slot receivers.

If you recall, there was a key missed third down in the 3rd quarter in the red zone when Palmer's pass was tipped by a Ram DT---and that pass was intended for a well-covered Alfonso Smith (that's right it was Alfonso Smith #29)---even Ronde Barber saw that the tipped pass was lucky for the Cardinals because it looked like the Ram CB was going to easily jump the route.

The point is---right now---in key situations, do we really want to be passing to RBs coming off the slot?

6. Another thing---BA kept throwing the WR screens to the right, almost right into the hands of a waiting Jake Long, when he should have been throwing them to the left. Why? That's one key way to slow down Robert Quinn. You make him think he may have to stop to deflect a pass---or---you run screens and draws to his side (the 49ers always slow Quinn down on those).

7. Next time we play the Rams we should make a point to run right at Quinn and put a pounding on him early and often. Run the power off-tackle play and mix it up by cracking down on him one play and kicking him out the next. We allowed him to play in a tuxedo all game. Not good.

8. What would it hurt to see what our best tackle, Eric Winston could do on the left side?...and have Brown compete with Massey for the RT spot. Winston did a fine job on Jake Long---as good as any Cardinal RT has---and Long's about the best LDE we face.

Sure he's not ideally suited, but he's one tough competitor who will fight and battle more than Levi Brown will.

If BA and HC stay with Levi Brown at LT, they are going to have to tell him---anytime we iso you on the RDE and you start to get beat badly, hold, trip, tackle, do whatever you can to make sure the RDE does not blindside Palmer.

It is the lesser of two evils---the offense with Palmer is good enough to make up the ten yards---but protecting Palmer's health (and the ball) is THE #1 priority. It has to be.

Saying this to a tackle actually gives him a safety net because just knowing that the coaches would rather you hold than give up a thunderous blindside strip sack, allows you to play more aggressively. It actually relieves some of the pressure, especially when the coaches know they can't realistically give the LT help on every pass play.

I did this once with a sophomore LT who was talented but very nervous. Same scenario coming off a bad game where he got exposed. I just kept reminding him---safety net---we will find a way to get the yards back---and it was amazing what a difference this made. He hardly gave up another sack all season.

9. Palmer HAS to step up in the pocket much more than what he does. He is way too stationary---which is a tackle's worst nightmare.

10. What Todd Bowles really needs to do is start getting better athletes on the edge in passing situations---it is mind boggling that John Abraham only played 20 snaps---BA said it was because the Rams were running versus the nickel, but the running game wasn't hurting us---the one time we got some pressure on Bradford, he just easily sidestepped the pocket to his right and was able to throw for an easy first down. This was Bradford---imagine what it will be like when we play Kaepernick and Wilson. You have to have quick twitch athletes on the edge who can disengage and chase in a flash---not bull rushers like Campbell (wow, LDE, really?), Shaughnessy (who is better inside than out), Alexander (who allowed Bradford to slip right past him so easily) and Acho (too slow). We really have to play Abraham at RDE on all passing situations and consider sliding Dansby or Brinkley over to the left edge---get Minter more involved in the middle---and then use Washington as a middle and edge rover when he returns. Defending the edge is this defense's biggest weakness and the other teams know it.
 

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We tackled poorly. They looked tougher we did on both sides of the ball.

Aside from that, we had a tiny edge, but the issue of toughness was enough to put the Rams over.

My point - it was more than just 2 guys who cost us the game- plenty of blame to pass around.
 

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I always love reading your posts. You really think everything out. I would sign a petition to get you in the meetings with the Cads if that was possible. You think a lot like I do and beyond.
 

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6. Another thing---BA kept throwing the WR screens to the right, almost right into the hands of a waiting Jake Long, when he should have been throwing them to the left. Why? That's one key way to slow down Robert Quinn. You make him think he may have to stop to deflect a pass---or---you run screens and draws to his side (the 49ers always slow Quinn down on those).

8. What would it hurt to see what our best tackle, Eric Winston could do on the left side?...and have Brown compete with Massey for the RT spot. Winston did a fine job on Jake Long---as good as any Cardinal RT has---and Long's about the best LDE we face.

I wasn't too worried about the one that nearly went into the waiting arms of Jake Long, since offensive lineman generally stand on the sidelines while their defense is on the field.

That's really impressive that Winston did a great job on Jake, again while he was watching his defense play from the sidelines.

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Hmmm. I thought Palmer did well moving in the pocket and buying time. May have to re-watch.
 

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Did the Bengals, Packers and Bucs cough up 11 point leads in the 4th quarter?


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That's what I wonder also. From what I saw, I don't think so. We blew so MANY chances to win the game. One thing no one has talked about is the Rams 2-pt play. Stop that and our chances of winning go up big time. If I'm DC, we blitz the hell out of that and there is no way a QB draw works. I guess Bradford could've audibled......
 

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Bengals did give up an 11 point lead.....at home.

Up 21-10 only to lose 24-21 to the Bears
 

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Bengals did give up an 11 point lead.....at home.

Up 21-10 only to lose 24-21 to the Bears

The game was in Chicago, but at least the amount of choke was the same. Not that the fact someone else did it makes our gag-fest set even one iota better. I really don't care if Cincy blew a 50 point lead in the 4th qtr.
 

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I wish I thought Abraham could be any sort of solution for the pass rush, but I don't. There was a time when 20 snaps would get JA at least one sack, and some pressures. Guys, he's old. There is a reason why the Falcons cut his snaps and let him go with no offer.
 

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The game was in Chicago, but at least the amount of choke was the same. Not that the fact someone else did it makes our gag-fest set even one iota better. I really don't care if Cincy blew a 50 point lead in the 4th qtr.

Ooops. Dyslexic this evening :|
 

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I wish I thought Abraham could be any sort of solution for the pass rush, but I don't. There was a time when 20 snaps would get JA at least one sack, and some pressures. Guys, he's old. There is a reason why the Falcons cut his snaps and let him go with no offer.

To his defense, Abraham only played 20 snaps all game long because we were in nickel packages often, probably because of the speed of their receivers and Jared Cook; and Abraham isn't good in coverage.

Certainly, he's not the 25-year-old Abraham, but he's gotta be on the field a bit more to produce.
 

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Justin Bethal is so fun to watch on ST. I watched his tackle on Austin like 10 times. Amazing how fast he gets down there. Even if he missed him, Badger was there to clean up.
 

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I enjoyed this presser very much. I thought BA's honesty was refreshing and interesting.

+1

Whiz's answers to questions became so boring that they became a joke. Same thing every week.

"The system works"

That will be engrained into the Cardinal fan base terminology forever.
 

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This is about the most comprehensive and candid post-game assessment ever from a Cardinals' head coach.

After this, I'm going to look forward to the Monday BA media conference. That is good stuff.
 
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The Cardinals' throwing and pass catching in this game was the best we have seen since the Green Bay playoff extravaganza. Talk about being locked in. Michael Floyd's one handed catch on the deep ball---Roberts' sensational catch on the sidelines and everywhere in between---and even Dray and Sperry's catches were squeaky clean.

I believe the 327 passing yards were the most in a regular season game since the Seattle game Nov 15, 2009! Only the 2nd time the Cards have gone over 300 since then. Compare that to 2008 when Warner threw for over 300 EIGHT times during the regular season.
 

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That's what I wonder also. From what I saw, I don't think so. We blew so MANY chances to win the game. One thing no one has talked about is the Rams 2-pt play. Stop that and our chances of winning go up big time. If I'm DC, we blitz the hell out of that and there is no way a QB draw works. I guess Bradford could've audibled......

Yeah that was a very big play and defended very poorly
 

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It's just one game but some of the impressive stats that stood out to me. Cards will top 5 or 6 in first downs produced with 25. Shows BA knows how to call a good game and thus far have a good game plan in place. Rams have a very good D so that's a good sign for the Cards O.

Cards D did very well in stopping the Rams on 3rd down conversions. That's a good starting point, obviously the Rams got too many first downs on 1st and 2nd downs but that had more to do with the lack of tackling and the infuriating inability to ever cover a TE.

D had two key stops after turn overs, limiting the Rams to FG's instead of TD's.

Moral victories are for losers but it is far more encouraging to see the positives that this team had instead of simply sucking at every level. Means we are closer to becoming a good team than not.

I don't want to go all SMEL but BA is going to have to run the ball more when we have a lead like we did in this game. It isn't easy when you have 3 stud WR's and a QB who can spin the ball well, it feels like tying one of your hands behind your back by not throwing it. Thing is Levi is struggling with Quinn and as Mitch noted running right at him serves two purposes. Slows him down, gives Levi a chance to beat on him some and helps burn the clock when you have a lead.

I hope that Bowles doesn't play that much man coverage against the mobile/running QB's, they will torch us with their legs.

Now the team has to hold serve at home against the division and get a win against the 49ers or Seahawks on the road, for sure not an easy task.
 

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Hmmm. I thought Palmer did well moving in the pocket and buying time. May have to re-watch.

I also thought Palmer moved around as well as we might expect. I too must re watch this game to see if he was moving like I thought he was. Statistically we beat the Rams in nearly all areas but were very close in those areas. Vegas had it almost right. Home field advantage is about 3 points.

In the end it may have been the powerful and accurate leg of their big kicker that won the game. He kicked all kickoffs into and mostly out of the end zone. He has 60 yd range and his team knew if they could get the ball back with 2 minutes left they would likely win. Kickers just do not get the respect they deserve. How many games each year are decided by kickers? Lastly, I just cannot get that play call on 3rd down with less than 2 minutes to go. That was a bad call before it was made and is even worse today. A short 2-3 yd quick out pass or run is a lot more doable than a wheel route to the left. Or commit yourself to 2 runs unless the first attempt gains nothing.
I thought this team looked much better than our team last year. The greatest difference was QB accuracy and the amazing catches by our receiving corps.
 

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I don't want to go all SMEL but BA is going to have to run the ball more when we have a lead like we did in this game.

The more I look at this thinking the more I see it as the offensive version of the prevent defense. The only thing it does is prevent you from winning. If you can't run the ball the first 50 minutes of the game what makes you think you can run it the last 10? All you are going to do is go 3 and out and give the ball back to the other team.

Now if you have Adrian Peterson and have been able to run the ball successfully all game then you can do that. You just go from 60-40 Pass to Run to 40-60. But teams like Arizona that struggle to get their RBs back to the LOS should never try that.
 

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The more I look at this thinking the more I see it as the offensive version of the prevent defense. The only thing it does is prevent you from winning. If you can't run the ball the first 50 minutes of the game what makes you think you can run it the last 10? All you are going to do is go 3 and out and give the ball back to the other team.

Now if you have Adrian Peterson and have been able to run the ball successfully all game then you can do that. You just go from 60-40 Pass to Run to 40-60. But teams like Arizona that struggle to get their RBs back to the LOS should never try that.

I agree with the basis of your post. Trying to just run the ball late in the game is akin to going prevent defense. As I did post the Cards passing offense is very good so it will be tough not to utilize that strength. Thing is I do believe a team does need some semblance of balance, especially with Levi as your LT.

Cards had a 3.3 avg per rush so they weren't sucking or being very successful with the running game. What does happen in most games is the D gets tired and has more trouble stopping the run later in games. This is compounded if the Passing game has been hurting them like the Cards was.

Now factor in that Levi was struggling with Pass Protection and giving him a chance to do what he does best (run block) might have been more helpful than not.

BA's first instinct is to Pass the ball and in todays NFL that is not a bad thing. My point is that mixing in some more run plays and not just at the end of the game might be helpful.

BA stated that we only went deep 3 times and he likes to do so 6 times a game and part of the reason for this was because Levi was struggling in Pass Pro.

Cards did finish 15th in rush attempts so that is a huge improvement over the Whiz years.

Bottom line, I like our WR's and QB so I hope BA continues to throw the ball more than run it. Based on how this past game played out I am wondering if a couple more runs later in the game would have helped.
 
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