More concerned about Shipp than McCown

[az jam]

Lots of discussion on the board about McCown as the starter. IMO McCown will do fine especially with an improved offensive line and the excellent trio of wrs. (Boldin, Johnson & Fitzgerald). However, being new to the Cardinal fan base, I'm just not sure if Shipp is the answer at rb. He appears to be very similar to Hambrick (the ex-Cowboy and now Raider);a journeyman RB but nothing special. The Cards don't have any real break away back as DG had with the Vikes in Robert Smith and then Michael Bennett. I hope that I am wrong but feel that the running game may be our weak point. However with an improved OL perhaps that will help Shipp.

 

[azdad1978]

Lots of discussion on the board about McCown as the starter. IMO McCown will do fine especially with an improved offensive line and the excellent trio of wrs. (Boldin, Johnson & Fitzgerald). However, being new to the Cardinal fan base, I'm just not sure if Shipp is the answer at rb. He appears to be very similar to Hambrick (the ex-Cowboy and now Raider);a journeyman RB but nothing special. The Cards don't have any real break away back as DG had with the Vikes in Robert Smith and then Michael Bennett. I hope that I am wrong but feel that the running game may be our weak point. However with an improved OL perhaps that will help Shipp.

Hopefully with the 3 WR set the Defense won't have 8 men in the box. If the trio of Boldin,Johnson and Fitz gets on fire early into the season there will be more running lanes opening up for Shipp.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Shipp creates running lanes by bulldozing DB's he will be just fine! No reason to worry at all!

 

[joeshmo]

Shipp creates running lanes by bulldozing DB's he will be just fine! No reason to worry at all!

Thanks you just persuaded me and took away all of my worries with Shipp.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Thanks you just persuaded me and took away all of my worries with Shipp.

I am glad I could be of service to you!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

shipp is a servicable back w/ injury concerns. he's not a homerun hitter. he does not strike fear into a defense. he will rarely be able to carry the offense. until mccown proves his worth we'll still see 8 men in the box and shipp going nowhere.

in a lot of respects he reminds me of ronald moore. a solid rb w/ good instincts, a tough inside running style, but the lack of overpowering strength, quick feet, or breakaway speed that would help to make him a premier back in the league.

i won't be surprised if he has a fairly good year, but dg looks to upgrade the position in the next year.

 

[red desert]

shipp is a servicable back w/ injury concerns. he's not a homerun hitter. he does not strike fear into a defense. he will rarely be able to carry the offense. until mccown proves his worth we'll still see 8 men in the box and shipp going nowhere.

in a lot of respects he reminds me of ronald moore. a solid rb w/ good instincts, a tough inside running style, but the lack of overpowering strength, quick feet, or breakaway speed that would help to make him a premier back in the league.

i won't be surprised if he has a fairly good year, but dg looks to upgrade the position in the next year.

Interesting comparison. However, while Shipp does not possess breakaway speed, I do think Shipp has more football speed than Moore. I also think Shipp is is significantly superior "running" instincts than Moore ever had.

With the changes in Cardinal land, I think Shipp will rush for 12000 (ish) yards. Whether that makes him a premior back in the league is another question altogether.

 

[SECTION 11]

Interesting comparison. However, while Shipp does not possess breakaway speed, I do think Shipp has more football speed than Moore. I also think Shipp is is significantly superior "running" instincts than Moore ever had.

With the changes in Cardinal land, I think Shipp will rush for 12000 (ish) yards. Whether that makes him a premior back in the league is another question altogether.

Well I for one would certainly be satisfied with twelve thousand yards from him in 2004.

 

[red desert]

Well I for one would certainly be satisfied with twelve thousand yards from him in 2004.

Whoops. I suppose even 1200 is pushing it, huh?

 

[az1965]

Shipp showed what he can do in 2002 with old coaching staff. I think he will do even better this year with the new and improved coaching and schemes. Last year was a horrible year for everyone on the team (except Boldin, of course )

 

[vikesfan]

It will be interesting to see if he can get it done. If not there will be several interesting RBs in next years draft.

 

[WisconsinCard]

shipp is a servicable back w/ injury concerns. he's not a homerun hitter. he does not strike fear into a defense. he will rarely be able to carry the offense. until mccown proves his worth we'll still see 8 men in the box and shipp going nowhere.

in a lot of respects he reminds me of ronald moore. a solid rb w/ good instincts, a tough inside running style, but the lack of overpowering strength, quick feet, or breakaway speed that would help to make him a premier back in the league.

i won't be surprised if he has a fairly good year, but dg looks to upgrade the position in the next year.

Thats not a bad comparison Moore was a 1000 yard back. I for one would be happy to see Shipp rush for 1000, its picking up the blitz's that I have some concern over. I don't want to see our back-up QB play a down this year.

 

[jstadvl]

with 6-8

more starts this season, he's sure to have another 2-300 yd.s carrying plus receiving. I don't see the injury bug being that big of a factor here. He may not play 10-14 years in the NFL, due to his style, but, this guy is a very good back. I've said it before wait and see.
GIMME RED! GO JOSH! GO MARCELL! GO CARDINALS!!
BTW there was some indicatiopn,last year,that he didn't like the "TUGBOAT" tag. I asked him and he said he's cool with it.

 

[Redsz]

Shipp will rush for over 1,000 yds. I'm betting my first born on it.

If he doesn't make it, I'm going to have some explaining to do...

 

[spanky1]

Lots of discussion on the board about McCown as the starter. IMO McCown will do fine especially with an improved offensive line and the excellent trio of wrs. (Boldin, Johnson & Fitzgerald). However, being new to the Cardinal fan base, I'm just not sure if Shipp is the answer at rb. He appears to be very similar to Hambrick (the ex-Cowboy and now Raider);a journeyman RB but nothing special. The Cards don't have any real break away back as DG had with the Vikes in Robert Smith and then Michael Bennett. I hope that I am wrong but feel that the running game may be our weak point. However with an improved OL perhaps that will help Shipp.

I don't know why......really just a gut feeling, but I think there is going to be a surprise come out of training camp RB wise. Will Joshua Rue remind anyone of a younger Eddie George? I dunno......as I said, just a gut feeling!

 

[Shane]

I don't know why......really just a gut feeling, but I think there is going to be a surprise come out of training camp RB wise. Will Joshua Rue remind anyone of a younger Eddie George? I dunno......as I said, just a gut feeling!

Umm no Joshua Rue doesnt remind me of a young Eddie George in any way shape or form. But thats pretty funny!

I think your gut needs a break from the sauce....

 

[spanky1]

Umm no Joshua Rue doesnt remind me of a young Eddie George in any way shape or form. But thats pretty funny!

I think your gut needs a break from the sauce....

Shane,

My wife says the same thing......about the sause that is!

Obviously, Rue isn't a young Eddie George (or he wouldn't have been as undiscovered as he was), but they are physically close to being the same. George is 6'3" and 235 and Rue is 6'4" and 245.

Just a hunch........he's someone I'll watch closely as pre season unfolds!

 

[john h]

Lots of discussion on the board about McCown as the starter. IMO McCown will do fine especially with an improved offensive line and the excellent trio of wrs. (Boldin, Johnson & Fitzgerald). However, being new to the Cardinal fan base, I'm just not sure if Shipp is the answer at rb. He appears to be very similar to Hambrick (the ex-Cowboy and now Raider);a journeyman RB but nothing special. The Cards don't have any real break away back as DG had with the Vikes in Robert Smith and then Michael Bennett. I hope that I am wrong but feel that the running game may be our weak point. However with an improved OL perhaps that will help Shipp.

Shipp is not now or ever will be a game breaker. He is a journeyman running back who is better suited to being a #1 backup. McCown remains a complete unknown in my mind.

 

[john h]

Shipp showed what he can do in 2002 with old coaching staff. I think he will do even better this year with the new and improved coaching and schemes. Last year was a horrible year for everyone on the team (except Boldin, of course )

to bad those new coaches cannot be there between the guard and tackle when Shipp tries to run throuh to help him.

 

[az1965]

to bad those new coaches cannot be there between the guard and tackle when Shipp tries to run throuh to help him.

No, but they will be on the sidelines crafting better schemes and changing things according to the flow of the game unlike their predictable predecessors. They will also be there to chew the overpaid and underachieving OL's assess when they let defense go past them untouched to thump the QB, to drop the RB in the backfield, or just not opening any holes at all. Now, how many times did we see that last season...?

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Shipp is not now or ever will be a game breaker. He is a journeyman running back who is better suited to being a #1 backup. McCown remains a complete unknown in my mind.

How in the world can you say Shipp is a journeyman? Is this a prediction or are you just confused? And as for Shipp being a game breaker........last year against Cinci and SF he was. His rushing totals are directly related to those wins.

 

[D-Dogg]

shipp is a servicable back w/ injury concerns. he's not a homerun hitter. he does not strike fear into a defense. he will rarely be able to carry the offense. until mccown proves his worth we'll still see 8 men in the box and shipp going nowhere.

in a lot of respects he reminds me of ronald moore. a solid rb w/ good instincts, a tough inside running style, but the lack of overpowering strength, quick feet, or breakaway speed that would help to make him a premier back in the league.

i won't be surprised if he has a fairly good year, but dg looks to upgrade the position in the next year.

I agree completely. I also think that since Shipp doesn't know how to avoid the big hits, he has a very limited shelf-life. I'm not a fan of Shipp, but I hope he does well. Make a believer out of me...but I don't think its gonna happen.

 

[Russ Smith]

I agree completely. I also think that since Shipp doesn't know how to avoid the big hits, he has a very limited shelf-life. I'm not a fan of Shipp, but I hope he does well. Make a believer out of me...but I don't think its gonna happen.

That's my fear on him too. Much like Johnny Johnson, who I was a big fan of (played at San Jose State) a short career seems likely because of running style. JJ ran so upright he took a ton of hits and punishment, Shipp runs between the tackles and takes so much contact that one would assume he won't have a long career. JJ was faster and smoother, Marcel is stronger.

marcel does have a nice spin move but his banged up problems are directly related to the amount of hits he takes in a given game. Guy like Emmitt carried 25 times a game and rarely took a big hit, he just had a feel for avoiding it.

I like SHipp more than you do I suspect but I would agree he has a lot to prove coming off last year. I think he'll have a good year but I do fear the injury problems will continue.

 

[az1965]

Where did this "injury prone" thing come up for Shipp? He missed couple of games 2002 and I don't recall any injury problems for him last year? Am I missing something?

 

[Cardforlife]

Don't be suprized to see Scoobey and anderson to get more touches in Preseason. I think both have the homerun potential Dennis likes!