More Draft Scenarios with our #5 pick

[spanky1]

Mitch,

Your proposition has merit.....but we can still move down three-five places and potentially get a solid top ten pick in round two.

Now if we could somehow figure in Briggs, in some kind of move down scenario, I'm all ears.

 

[BACH]

In my way of thinking, the trade value chart is way over-rated...just as most of the top ten prospects in this draft are way over-rated, especially when teams have to pay ridiculous salaries for players that (a) don't deserve them; (b) are not that much better than other players that could be had in round two and three.

The best value every year in the draft is in the first ten picks of the second round...because every year first-round prospects fall there and can be signed for far less money.

I disagree big time. If you look at every draft pick for draftpick trade over the last couple of years and you'll see that the chart is very accurate.

The team initiating the trade has to pay a little extra, but otherwise it's almost correct.

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

more of a question then a comment. lots of pre drafts have quinn going #2. that being said, I see the browns could take thomas at 3, johnson #4 to the bucks and then that would leave Adrian Peterson at #5. would it be a bad idea to take Peterson and run a dual back offense (ala the pats)?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

more of a question then a comment. lots of pre drafts have quinn going #2. that being said, I see the browns could take thomas at 3, johnson #4 to the bucks and then that would leave Adrian Peterson at #5. would it be a bad idea to take Peterson and run a dual back offense (ala the pats)?

I we didn't have such a pressing need at OT. Then a RB like Peterson would be a consideration. I would love to have Peterson as a second RB, but what good we he do if he has no one blocking for him.

Personally I think the Cardinals are at a point we they must get a OT that can potentially start this year. If the Cardinals do not get an OT here it will be devestating.

 

[BACH]

I we didn't have such a pressing need at OT. Then a RB like Peterson would be a consideration. I would love to have Peterson as a second RB, but what good we he do if he has no one blocking for him.

Personally I think the Cardinals are at a point we they must get a OT that can potentially start this year. If the Cardinals do not get an OT here it will be devestating.

The same goes for almost every team in the league. Because of the thin FA the either had to overpay for players in FA OR be forced to draft for need.

We can still go BPA at #5 if we want, that just pretty much forces a OT in the 2nd, but there should still be a solid OT there, since there are 5 player rated in the low 1st - low 2nd area.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Bidwill is cheap
Graves is an idiot

 

[Garthshort]

Bidwill is Cheap??

Dreamcastrocks, just because the Cards (IMO) won't move up to #2, and pay #2 money for someone they might get at #5, doesn't mean that he/the team is cheap. It's a business decision. I never thought the team was cheap, just under financed over the years, and because of that they had to run the organization on a shoe string. Now when the financials have improved they still tend to be very conservative in their decision making. Fans, naturally, look at things differently.

 

[Stout]

Yep, painted ourselves into a corner. There it is, we HAVE to get an OT early. We don't have much of a choice now. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The same goes for almost every team in the league. Because of the thin FA the either had to overpay for players in FA OR be forced to draft for need.

We can still go BPA at #5 if we want, that just pretty much forces a OT in the 2nd, but there should still be a solid OT there, since there are 5 player rated in the low 1st - low 2nd area.

And the wheel goes round.

This is where I get confused.

Why is it "OK" to draft for need in round 2 of the draft and not round 1?

If you are gonna draft for need, which no one likes to do, then why not make sure you fill that need with the best player at the position of need.

Is Staley as good as Levi Brown? I don't think so.

 

[BACH]

And the wheel goes round.

This is where I get confused.

Why is it "OK" to draft for need in round 2 of the draft and not round 1?

If you are gonna draft for need, which no one likes to do, then why not make sure you fill that need with the best player at the position of need.

Is Staley as good as Levi Brown? I don't think so.

It's not, but my point was that the way this draft is set up, we shouldn't have reach that much to fill needs - either in the 1st or 2nd.

 

[Mitch]

I really like your first four picks. a couple of questions. Lets say for arguments sake Staley isn't there and neither is Hughes, oh what the heck lets say Siler too. What's the backup plan? When would you pull this trade, at our pick or do you draft say Thomas and then wield him?

Finally how do you compare Russell to Lorenzo Booker of FSU?

If the Cardinals had the #31, #37 and #38 picks...and their goal was to select an OT, SLB and CB...and, as you said, Staley, Siler and Hughes are gone when they pick (all of which is unlikely, based on draft projections---ESPN's rankings #33, #40 and #36 respectively---but certainly possible)...

At #31, they would likely be pleasantly surprised to see a blue chip player still available...such as SLB Paul Posluszny (Penn. St.), CB Chris Houston (Arkansas) or CB Aaron Ross (Texas)...so the Cardinals would have to decide between the three...and might be even more pleasantly surprised to see one of them still available at #37.

The decision would likely be made easier if, for example, the Cardinals liked another OLB prospect they were comfortable taking at #37...like a Jon Beason of Miami or Buster Davis of Florida St.

Or maybe they are very high on CBs Tanard Jackson of Syracuse, Jonathan Wade of Tennessee or Josh Wilson of Maryland...in this case they go ahead and take OLB Paul Posluszny at #31...tab Tanard Jackson at #37 and T Tony Ugoh of Arkansas or T Doug Free of Northern Illinois at #38.

The point is...the menu is still extensive for all picks in the #30-38 range, and the Cardinals could come away with three immediate or future starters with those picks.

How about this scenario:

#31 CB Chris Houston, Arkansas...who, IMO, is the best man-to-man CB in this draft.

#37 T Tony Ugoh, Arkansas...major league talent who has all the physical skills and toughness but needs to be coached up...and may wind up to be the best OT in this draft when all is said and done.

#38 OLB Jon Beason, Miami...the best all-around athlete at OLB in the draft.

ESPN's rankings of these players: Houston (#51), Ugoh (#41) and Beason (#39).

As for Gary Russell versus Lorenzo Booker...Russell is much like Marion Barber (Cowboys), his Minnesota teammate and Booker is a scat back in the mold of the Pats' Kevin Faulk.

 

[Duckjake]

The decision would likely be made easier if, for example, the Cardinals liked another OLB prospect they were comfortable taking at #37...like a Jon Beason of Miami or Buster Davis of Florida St.

The guy I like is Quincy Black from New Mexico and he will probably be available in the 3rd or 4th. 6'2" 240 and 4.44 in the 40.