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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...?slug=jc-directsnap033010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes) hopes for a detour through Oakland from Philadelphia on the way to Arizona … even if that means trampling Matt Leinart(notes) along the way.

According to two people close to McNabb, the Pro Bowl Philadelphia Eagles quarterback has his sights set on one day playing for the Arizona Cardinals. McNabb, who has made his offseason home in Phoenix, hoped that day would come this season if Philly indeed sends him packing. The Cardinals even inquired with the Eagles about a trade before signing Derek Anderson(notes) to compete with Leinart for Kurt Warner’s(notes) old job.

Now, that day will have to wait until 2011. While Anderson and Leinart combined don’t compare to McNabb, one Cardinals source said the team’s plan at the position is set for this season. After this season, however, much could change, particularly if star wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald(notes) has any say. With Fitzgerald holding the power to void his contract after the 2011 season, don’t underestimate his influence.


But the primary influence, as it usually is with Arizona, revolves around money. Leinart will have to do a lot this season to justify his contract for 2011. Under the terms of the deal he held out to get after being the team’s first-round pick in the 2006 NFL draft, Leinart’s contract takes a huge jump in 2011.


This year, Leinart is scheduled to make $2.485 million in base salary. That’s cheap enough that the Cardinals almost have to give him a chance to prove himself.


In 2011, however, Leinart’s base pay and bonuses jump to at least $12.86 million and could tip the scales at just over $18 million if he does something as simple as make the Pro Bowl (he gets a $5 million escalator for that and based on the fact David Garrard(notes) made it last year, getting to the Pro Bowl ain’t what it used to be).


Furthermore, Leinart’s deal contains a $5.5 million roster bonus that’s due on the first day of the 2011 league year, which is generally some time in early March. That means the Cardinals will have to make an early decision on Leinart’s future.


Or as the aforementioned Cardinals source put it: “Matt has a lot of financial issues riding on this season.”


Enter McNabb, who barring unforeseen development by Leinart, might be a much better investment of that kind of money for the Cardinals in 2011.


“By that point, something like that could definitely happen,” the team source said.


Of course, the possibility of a 2011 lockout blurs a lot of this talk. But from a pure football reasoning, seeing McNabb in a Cardinals uniform in ’11 seems to make a lot of sense. The only thing that could really hold it up is if Oakland, Buffalo or another team that trades for McNabb now decides it’s willing to put the franchise tag on him.


With the franchise number expected to hover somewhere around $20 million by then, such a move will be difficult. Until then, don’t expect McNabb to sign any long-term deals.


“Donovan has plenty of money, he doesn’t need to take it from some team he doesn’t want to play for,” said one of the sources close to him.


McNabb in Arizona makes even more sense if the Cardinals hope to keep Fitzgerald. Under the terms of Fitzgerald’s contract, he can void the final year of his contract, which is 2012. He also can’t be franchised by the Cardinals. Thus, the Cardinals better show Fitzgerald they are fully committed to winning if they expect him to stay.


Like McNabb, money is not going to be the only issue for Fitzgerald by that point. Barring an injury, Fitzgerald is going to hit free agency at age 28 after the 2011 season. He will be able to name his price for any team.

Moreover, he’ll name his terms. Without question, having a good quarterback throwing to him will be one of those terms.


“Larry isn’t stupid like some other wide receivers,” said a source close to Fitzgerald. “He knows he wants to do some really special things in this game. He put up some great numbers even without a great quarterback early in his career, but the team didn’t go anywhere. He knows you need people around you. You don’t do it on your own.


“He’s never going to be with a bad quarterback ever again. Never.”
 

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If McNabb gets traded, the new team will only do it if they can sign him past 2011. Which is a shame: I'd love it if we had a back-up plan.
 

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If Matty has a bad season, I could definitely see McNabb signing here.
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't want McNabb? I loved him when he was younger but he can't run anymore and he's such an erratic passer. He doesn't throw a lot of picks which is a positive but one season over 30TD passes only 2 with 25 or more. He throws a great deep ball but he's very inconsistent in the other throws. He's nowhere near as accurate as Kurt was.

I realize he's far more proven than Matt is but he's a guy that does one thing well and we're not really a deep ball throwing team. We've been a timing based offense with Kurt and that's something McNabb doesn't do well. Alot of those slant routes Kurt threw so well will end up in the dirt if McNabb is the QB.

5-6 years ago I'd have been thrilled but now I'm not so interested.
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't want McNabb? I loved him when he was younger but he can't run anymore and he's such an erratic passer. He doesn't throw a lot of picks which is a positive but one season over 30TD passes only 2 with 25 or more. He throws a great deep ball but he's very inconsistent in the other throws. He's nowhere near as accurate as Kurt was.

I realize he's far more proven than Matt is but he's a guy that does one thing well and we're not really a deep ball throwing team. We've been a timing based offense with Kurt and that's something McNabb doesn't do well. Alot of those slant routes Kurt threw so well will end up in the dirt if McNabb is the QB.

5-6 years ago I'd have been thrilled but now I'm not so interested.

McNabb doesn't interest me either, and he's not getting any better.
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't want McNabb? I loved him when he was younger but he can't run anymore and he's such an erratic passer. He doesn't throw a lot of picks which is a positive but one season over 30TD passes only 2 with 25 or more. He throws a great deep ball but he's very inconsistent in the other throws. He's nowhere near as accurate as Kurt was.

I realize he's far more proven than Matt is but he's a guy that does one thing well and we're not really a deep ball throwing team. We've been a timing based offense with Kurt and that's something McNabb doesn't do well. Alot of those slant routes Kurt threw so well will end up in the dirt if McNabb is the QB.

5-6 years ago I'd have been thrilled but now I'm not so interested.

No. Your post said it all. One of Donovan's best features was his scrambling ability. That ability has significantly declined in recent years, and his durability has also taken a big hit (pun intended).
 

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No. Your post said it all. One of Donovan's best features was his scrambling ability. That ability has significantly declined in recent years, and his durability has also taken a big hit (pun intended).

He can scramble but because of his constant scrambling he is also very fumble prone.

Plus he has never played in anything but a west coast offense. Dont under estimate just how hard it is to transition from west coast to something else or vice versa.

Also the article is wrong about Fitz contract. He can be franchised, but it will cost them 23 mill to do it.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=1661
 

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But the primary influence, as it usually is with Arizona, revolves around money. Leinart will have to do a lot this season to justify his contract for 2011. Under the terms of the deal he held out to get after being the team’s first-round pick in the 2006 NFL draft, Leinart’s contract takes a huge jump in 2011.

:bang:

These guys always have to get a dig in at the Cardinals. The primary influence with most of the teams in regards to most of the players in the NFL is money.
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't want McNabb? I loved him when he was younger but he can't run anymore and he's such an erratic passer. He doesn't throw a lot of picks which is a positive but one season over 30TD passes only 2 with 25 or more. He throws a great deep ball but he's very inconsistent in the other throws. He's nowhere near as accurate as Kurt was.

I realize he's far more proven than Matt is but he's a guy that does one thing well and we're not really a deep ball throwing team. We've been a timing based offense with Kurt and that's something McNabb doesn't do well. Alot of those slant routes Kurt threw so well will end up in the dirt if McNabb is the QB.

5-6 years ago I'd have been thrilled but now I'm not so interested.

Well said Russ.
 

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this season the cardinals will give the ball to leinart to see how he does, and if he struggles, he is gone at the end of the year. if that's the case, i expect mcnaab to be a cardinal next off-season and sign relatively cheap. hopefully.
 

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As much hand wringing and nitpicking as people like to do with Donovon, the bottom line is he has made crap players look better then they are on offense his entire career, has won more consistently then any QB not named Brady, and his teammates love him.

He defintely has his flaws but those who continue to point that out are short sighted IMO. Hopefully Matt turns it on and this isn't even a subject come next offseason but even I can admit that is far from a given, and there is always Matt gets hurt.

If thats the case, who would you rather have leading the team - McNabb or Anderson? People in this thread are acting like we are choosing between him and Peyton Manning. We have to maintain our momentum from these past two years and if we have a down year and Matts ineffective, then I am ALL FOR McNabb coming here in 2011.

Arizona has been a QB wasteland for as long as we can all remember. Because we had a nice two year run, lets not act like our ***** doesn't stink and we can be choosy. If McNabb wants to come here and the above scenario plays out, we should run (not walk) to sign him.

And if it makes Fitz and Dockett happy all the better.
 
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The way i see the quarterback scenario playing out over the next year i dont think McNabb will factor into it. If Leinart has a good to very good season the Cardinals have a big headache on their hand but a good one. They either pay a developing quarterback with a good season behind him a big salary or they take their chances and cut him in the hope of finding a decent replacement for less money. They will do the former rather then the latter for a couple of reasons including knowing that they have the fan base against them and more importantly the fact that Whisenhunt is too smart to gamble with the teams chances like that. In this scenario i see the Cards working out a long term extension that gives Leinart the money he feels he desevers and the Cards certainty in the QB department.

If the Leinart has a poor season it wont come to anybody as a surprise when is cut at the beginning of March 2011. The Cardinals will then most likely start with two QB's on their roster in Derek Anderson and probably a late round QB selection from the 2010 draft. Most people would think this would be the perfect scenario for a McNabb signing by the Cardinals. I think not. The 2011 draft class is one of the best for top QB's that i can remember in recent years. If the Cards had a bad year in 2010 they'd be picking in the top 15 of next years draft and with it being deep in top QB talent they could nab a very good QBOF where they are picking but most likely id think theyd trade up to go into the top 10 to get one of the top three QB's to battle it out with Anderson and the potential pick from this years Draft. My personal favorite in next years QB draft class is Ryan Mallet from Arkansas. That kid has the prototypical QB nody, has a lethal power arm, Throws accurately, has good pocket awareness and generally has everything you look for in a rookie QB. He is a bit raw and with just Anderson and another rookie QB Whisenhunt might not take the risk but personally this is the avenue id like to cards to go into if Leinart doesnt pay off. It may mean the Cards struggle for a year but i think it gives them a better chance of finding a long term QB solution rather then going year by year trying out different vet QB's

With the second scenario where Leinart doesnt pay off i just dont think the Cardinals are gonna be willing to plough a lot of money into getting McNabb. They might do it to satisfy veterans like Fitz and DD but financially it might not be possible. If they can get a McNabb or a similarly talent experienced QB for a couple of years on a decent contract then id be all for it but chances are small thats gonna happen with the competition for those type of QB's.
 
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I'm glad Matt's getting his shot this year. I hope he does well.

I'm also realistic enough to know that Matt may stink it up, or worse, prove to be highly injury prone.

If he does have a poor year, then McNabb may be the best stop-gap for us until we can develop a starting QB. And no matter how great the 2011 QB class is, I think Whiz has shown he isn't going to play a rookie at a key position.

If we need a QB, I'd feel better about McNabb than any of the retreads that seem to hit FA every year. (which I'm afraid ML will soon be joining the ranks of) As for Donovan losing a step or two - I remember him beating us on one leg a few years back...

Whatever helps us win, I don't care. I'm not ready to fall back into NFL irrelivance. Best case scenario is Matt has a phenominal year and McNabb has to buy a ticket to see the games at UoP, just like the rest of us.

Go Cards!!!
 

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And no matter how great the 2011 QB class is, I think Whiz has shown he isn't going to play a rookie at a key position.

Go Cards!!!

TBH i know that is what makes the scenario id like to see something that is not gonna happen. Whisenhunt isnt a fan of putting rookies under immediate pressure by throwing them in at the deep end so us drafting a QB to start for us in 2011 has a very minimal chance.

Best case scenario is Matt has a phenominal year and McNabb has to buy a ticket to see the games at UoP, just like the rest of us.

Amen to that.
 

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Hopefully Matt is the answer, if not, Donovan's not a bad consolation prize.
 

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Arizona has been a QB wasteland for as long as we can all remember. Because we had a nice two year run, lets not act like our ***** doesn't stink and we can be choosy. If McNabb wants to come here and the above scenario plays out, we should run (not walk) to sign him.

And if it makes Fitz and Dockett happy all the better.

AF, I'm with ya. But what do we know we're just fans posting on a message board.
 

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As much hand wringing and nitpicking as people like to do with Donovon, the bottom line is hehas made crap players look better then they are on offense his entire career, has won more consistently then any QB not named Brady, and his teammates love him.

He defintely has his flaws but those who continue to point that out are short sighted IMO. Hopefully Matt turns it on and this isn't even a subject come next offseason but even I can admit that is far from a given, and there is always Matt gets hurt.

If thats the case, who would you rather have leading the team - McNabb or Anderson? People in this thread are acting like we are choosing between him and Peyton Manning. We have to maintain our momentum from these past two years and if we have a down year and Matts ineffective, then I am ALL FOR McNabb coming here in 2011.

Arizona has been a QB wasteland for as long as we can all remember. Because we had a nice two year run, lets not act like our ***** doesn't stink and we can be choosy. If McNabb wants to come here and the above scenario plays out, we should run (not walk) to sign him.

And if it makes Fitz and Dockett happy all the better.

Great post.
 
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I still dont know why everyone is so down on McNabb, all he does and win and his numbers are pretty darn good...

The cool thing is he WANTS to play for us; when was the last time a perrenial playoff QB and pro-bowler said that about the Cardinals? If Matt does not pan out I am all for it...

McNabb still has 4 to 5 years of good football in him...
 

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AF, I'm with ya. But what do we know we're just fans posting on a message board.

Yup. Like many have said, hopefully we don't even have to worry about this next offseason and the thread topics are "How many Pro Bowls is Leinart going end up going to?".

But like Chris said, Mcnabb wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.
 

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I still dont know why everyone is so down on McNabb, all he does and win and his numbers are pretty darn good...

The cool thing is he WANTS to play for us; when was the last time a perrenial playoff QB and pro-bowler said that about the Cardinals? If Matt does not pan out I am all for it...

McNabb still has 4 to 5 years of good football in him...

Yup, I would love to see McNabb in Cardinals gear.
 

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Yup. Like many have said, hopefully we don't even have to worry about this next offseason and the thread topics are "How many Pro Bowls is Leinart going end up going to?".

But like Chris said, Mcnabb wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

I still remember most on here slamming the signing of the old "has been" Kurt Warner in '06. I wonder how that turned out?
 
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McNabb 11 year Career:

59% completion ratio, over 32k yards; 216 TD passed; 100 INTS; RTG 86.5; 357 sacks, 81 fumbles/44 lost. 1 SB apperance;5 NFC Championship Games; 5 pro bowls.

What is not to like?
 
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Warner 12 seasons:

65% completion ratio, over 32k yards; 208 TD passed; 128 INTS; RTG 93.7.5; 260 sacks, 100 fumbles/46 lost. 1 SB victory ; 3 SB apperances;3 NFC Championship Games; 4 pro bowls.
 
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