More Fuel: Sources: McNabb still prefers Arizona

[BullheadCardFan]

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But like Chris said, Mcnabb wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

+1

 

[Buckybird]

Warner 12 seasons:

65% completion ratio, over 32k yards; 208 TD passed; 128 INTS; RTG 93.7.5; 260 sacks, 100 fumbles/46 lost. 1 SB victory ; 3 SB apperances;3 NFC Championship Games; 4 pro bowls.

Pretty amazing the similarities.

And nobody here wants a potential HOF QB I'm gonna laugh when the Iggle fans get what they wish for in Kolb.

I can see McNabb playing out this season & praying that Leinart isn't the answer here.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I'm gonna laugh when the Iggle fans get what they wish for in Kolb.

Yep, me too. Philly fans have been dogging McNabb since the day he was drafted... I've never seen as consistent and good a performer as McNabb get treated so poorly by his home fans.

The old cliche, "be careful what you wish for" comes to mind.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think if the Cardinals had signed McNabb, and still started Leinart to begin the season, McNabb would beat Leinart out as the starting QB several games into the season. I hope I'm wrong about Leinart but I do not see him as the answer at QB for the Cardinals. Why wait a season to go after McNabb other than saying the position is set. I hope DA can still play up to the level of a pro bowl QB because, IMO, the Cardinals are going to need him

 

[cardsfanmd]

More TDs and less picks than Troy Aikman IIRC.

 

[mojorizen7]

I still dont know why everyone is so down on McNabb, all he does and win and his numbers are pretty darn good...

The cool thing is he WANTS to play for us; when was the last time a perrenial playoff QB and pro-bowler said that about the Cardinals? If Matt does not pan out I am all for it...

McNabb still has 4 to 5 years of good football in him...

+1
McNabb @ QB would at least keep your offense lethal. Leinart makes it ordinary and i don't think the defense has improved enough(yet) to make up for that.
IMHO

 

[WarnerHOF]

I only want him if the Eagles accept a 3rd or both of them.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What i got out of that article is that if Leinart has a great year,makes the pro bowl, then he'll be gone just like Rolle. It will come down to the end of February and Graves will be scrambling to get ML to sign a team friendly deal. He'll be allowed to test the market and then he goes to Seattle with Graves trying to make a save face offer after it's too late. That's just my prediction.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sources: Arizona still prefers Leinart.

 

[WarnerHOF]

What i got out of that article is that if Leinart has a great year,makes the pro bowl, then he'll be gone just like Rolle. It will come down to the end of February and Graves will be scrambling to get ML to sign a team friendly deal. He'll be allowed to test the market and then he goes to Seattle with Graves trying to make a save face offer after it's too late. That's just my prediction.

If Leinart makes it over the likes of Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning etc to get to the pro bowl (Chances I think are extremely slim), I'm quite sure the front office would not have any problems paying him elite money compared to a average safety who made the pro bowl as a alternate.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Leinart makes it over the likes of Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning etc to get to the pro bowl (Chances I think are extremely slim), I'm quite sure the front office would not have any problems paying him elite money compared to a average safety who made the pro bowl as a alternate.

What if he makes it because Brees is in the SB and Rodgers and Manning decline to play because of injury? Warner took the Cards to the SB and Graves let him test the market. Why would ML be any different? There's one thing everone should have learned about Graves over the years, from signing draft picks to free agents, he lets other teams set the market. If I remember right, Fitz was even a free agent for a few days.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If I remember right, Fitz was even a free agent for a few days.

Nope. He was not. Not for one second. Because Fitzgerald was such a stud of a draft pick he hit every single escalator clause in his contract forcing the Cardinals to have to restructure his contract. It took a while for the contract to get done, and another week and a half because the NFL needed to "double check" parts of the contract, to make sure it was legal and acceptable. But what it did was prevent the Cardinals from doing anything during the free agency period until the Fitz deal was done.

A move might I add that caused Rod Graves to be damned to high heaven and back, a move that had many calling for Fitzgerald's head, and a move that was going to be the downfall of the Cardinals team. ...............and all we did that year was go to the Super Bowl.

Might I remind the floor again, that Graves tried to sign Dansby for 3 years. He never wanted Dansby to be able to test the market. Yet, Dansby had other ideas about that.

The next player that seems to be leaning toward going to free agency regardless of what the Cardinals offer from now till then is Duece Lutui.

And just like Antrel Rolle, Calvin Pace, and Antonio Smith, I don't think Lutui is a core player, and has not shown the consistancy to warrant a huge money deal. Let other teams over pay for average talent.

So, on a thread where people are entertaining the idea of trading for McNabb, we are complaining that the Cardinals won't be able to sign Leinart if he has a good year ?

Well, why the heck are we entertaining the idea of trading for McNabb ? He has one year left on his contract, and even if he doesn't sniff the Pro Bowl, will demand a huge pay day when he becomes a free agent.

So, the Cardinals don't have the ability to re-sign Leinart if he has a good year, but would have no problem locking McNabb into a contract ?

THAT is a convenient truth.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Nope. He was not. Not for one second. Because Fitzgerald was such a stud of a draft pick he hit every single escalator clause in his contract forcing the Cardinals to have to restructure his contract. It took a while for the contract to get done, and another week and a half because the NFL needed to "double check" parts of the contract, to make sure it was legal and acceptable. But what it did was prevent the Cardinals from doing anything during the free agency period until the Fitz deal was done.

A move might I add that caused Rod Graves to be damned to high heaven and back, a move that had many calling for Fitzgerald's head, and a move that was going to be the downfall of the Cardinals team. ...............and all we did that year was go to the Super Bowl.

Might I remind the floor again, that Graves tried to sign Dansby for 3 years. He never wanted Dansby to be able to test the market. Yet, Dansby had other ideas about that.

The next player that seems to be leaning toward going to free agency regardless of what the Cardinals offer from now till then is Duece Lutui.

And just like Antrel Rolle, Calvin Pace, and Antonio Smith, I don't think Lutui is a core player, and has not shown the consistancy to warrant a huge money deal. Let other teams over pay for average talent.

So, on a thread where people are entertaining the idea of trading for McNabb, we are complaining that the Cardinals won't be able to sign Leinart if he has a good year ?

Well, why the heck are we entertaining the idea of trading for McNabb ? He has one year left on his contract, and even if he doesn't sniff the Pro Bowl, will demand a huge pay day when he becomes a free agent.

So, the Cardinals don't have the ability to re-sign Leinart if he has a good year, but would have no problem locking McNabb into a contract ?

THAT is a convenient truth.

I don't want McNabb. I'm just going by Graves's track record. If ML has a good year, he will not be a easy sign for Graves. Just look at history.

Warner-hit FA
Boldin-had a new deal within 8 hours of being on the Ravens
Fitz-went down to the last minute and hindered the start of free agency.
Rolle-now with NY
Wells- only signed after matching Buffalo's offer sheet.
Porter-only signed after visiting Washington.
Dansby-now in Miami, i'll give you that one.
every 1st rounder- don't think Graves has ever signed a 1st rounder without the salary being slotted by the picks right before and after the Cards.

Graves doesn't do anything until his hand is forced.To expect him to change with Leinart doesn't seem all that plausible to me. I hope ML has a great year and is signed long term. Of course, it's all a little early for that kind of talk.

 

[Mulli]

What i got out of that article is that if Leinart has a great year,makes the pro bowl, then he'll be gone just like Rolle. It will come down to the end of February and Graves will be scrambling to get ML to sign a team friendly deal. He'll be allowed to test the market and then he goes to Seattle with Graves trying to make a save face offer after it's too late. That's just my prediction.

If all that happens, I am totally out.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If all that happens, I am totally out.

I forgot the 2nd part. The Cards sign UDFA Mike Kafka and, out of nowhere, he leads the Cards to the 2012 Super Bowl .

 

[Mulli]

I forgot the 2nd part. The Cards sign UDFA Mike Kafka and, out of nowhere, he leads the Cards to the 2012 Super Bowl .

Totally in!

 

[cardsfanmd]

If all that happens, I am totally out.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I don't want McNabb. I'm just going by Graves's track record. If ML has a good year, he will not be a easy sign for Graves. Just look at history.

Warner-hit FA
Boldin-had a new deal within 8 hours of being on the Ravens
Fitz-went down to the last minute and hindered the start of free agency.
Rolle-now with NY
Wells- only signed after matching Buffalo's offer sheet.
Porter-only signed after visiting Washington.
Dansby-now in Miami, i'll give you that one.
every 1st rounder- don't think Graves has ever signed a 1st rounder without the salary being slotted by the picks right before and after the Cards.

Graves doesn't do anything until his hand is forced.To expect him to change with Leinart doesn't seem all that plausible to me. I hope ML has a great year and is signed long term. Of course, it's all a little early for that kind of talk.

IIRC Graves has never had a 1st rounder in on time. Maybe last year with Beanie, but I dont think so.

 

[TJ]

IIRC Graves has never had a 1st rounder in on time. Maybe last year with Beanie, but I dont think so.

Correct. Beanie missed one day of camp due to delayed negotiations and then got injured his first practice

 

[cardsfanmd]

Sources: Arizona still prefers Leinart.

 

[Cardiac]

I don't want McNabb. I'm just going by Graves's track record. If ML has a good year, he will not be a easy sign for Graves. Just look at history.

Warner-hit FA
Boldin-had a new deal within 8 hours of being on the Ravens
Fitz-went down to the last minute and hindered the start of free agency.
Rolle-now with NY
Wells- only signed after matching Buffalo's offer sheet.
Porter-only signed after visiting Washington.
Dansby-now in Miami, i'll give you that one.
every 1st rounder- don't think Graves has ever signed a 1st rounder without the salary being slotted by the picks right before and after the Cards.

Graves doesn't do anything until his hand is forced.To expect him to change with Leinart doesn't seem all that plausible to me. I hope ML has a great year and is signed long term. Of course, it's all a little early for that kind of talk.

IIRC Graves has never had a 1st rounder in on time. Maybe last year with Beanie, but I dont think so.

People, I almost didn't respond to this because I felt like I would be

Then I realized it would be no different then Cbus constant hammering of Graves

It is rather easy (lazy) to blame RG for and issues actual or perceived mistakes. Anyone simply blaming RG has either not followed this team for any length of time or can only think in one dimension.

RG has had his hands tied because of bow tie Billy. RG has been trying to change the Cards SOP for years and has made progress. When Michael came on board things starting changing exponentially but don't think bow tie doesn't have the final say.

I'm not saying that RG is the best GM in football. I am saying he is the best fit for the Cards, especially until bow tie is no longer is involved. RG, Michael and Whis have earned the trust of bow tie so he now allows them to do the right thing far more often then in the past.

There is a reason the media still insults the Cards about money, bow tie has earned that reputation and even with UOP he will squeeze a penny until Lincolns nose bleeds.

RG, Whis and Michael took this team to the SB while dragging bow tie with them. Just think what can be accomplished with that anchor is cut loose.

 

[TJ]

People, I almost didn't respond to this because I felt like I would be

Then I realized it would be no different then Cbus constant hammering of Graves

It is rather easy (lazy) to blame RG for and issues actual or perceived mistakes. Anyone simply blaming RG has either not followed this team for any length of time or can only think in one dimension.

RG has had his hands tied because of bow tie Billy. RG has been trying to change the Cards SOP for years and has made progress. When Michael came on board things starting changing exponentially but don't think bow tie doesn't have the final say.

I'm not saying that RG is the best GM in football. I am saying he is the best fit for the Cards, especially until bow tie is no longer is involved. RG, Michael and Whis have earned the trust of bow tie so he now allows them to do the right thing far more often then in the past.

There is a reason the media still insults the Cards about money, bow tie has earned that reputation and even with UOP he will squeeze a penny until Lincolns nose bleeds.

RG, Whis and Michael took this team to the SB while dragging bow tie with them. Just think what can be accomplished with that anchor is cut loose.

Im just as guilty as anybody when it comes to bashing Graves (and Im not lazy ). IMO, Green and Whis are largely responsible from showing this organization how to get top flight talent.

But make no mistake about it, the FO has some pretty rigid ways about conducting business and it does not just stop at RG, which irritates me and a lot of other fans. For instance, they don't renegotiate contracts in the middle of the season. With the case of KW, his agent approached them about re-upping when Rod told him to "wait until the offseason." Not only would he have re-signed but IIRC, they were asking for far less than what Warner ultimately signed for.

This is what scares me about the Leinart situation. If he goes out there and tears it up the first half of the season, then what? When Aaron Rogers showed the Packers in one half season that he was the real deal, they did not hesitate to re-sign him.

I think we all would like the organization to be more proactive in these situations. Graves earned some brownie points when he landed Porter, now if Leinart shows us he is the real deal, I hope that he realizes that the sense of urgency to do something about it.

 

[Cardiac]

I think we all would like the organization to be more proactive in these situations. Graves earned some brownie points when he landed Porter, now if Leinart shows us he is the real deal, I hope that he realizes that the sense of urgency to do something about it.

You are being lazy again. Who do you think set a rule that we don't redo contracts in the middle of the year? My money is on bow tie and not RG.
RG should have earned brownie point for finally getting bow tie to allow our draft picks to work out at the OTA's before they were officially signed. This was done at least 4 years ago.

It's simple, instead of RG type bow tie.

 

[Duckjake]

Might I remind the floor again, that Graves tried to sign Dansby for 3 years. He never wanted Dansby to be able to test the market. Yet, Dansby had other ideas about that.

I still don't understand how the Cards couldn't have done this deal with Dansby:

Dansby received a guaranteed $4.8 million salary for 2010, plus a $200,000 workout bonus, plus a $4 million signing bonus as part of a five-year deal. The prorated portion of the signing bonus would work out to $800,000 per year. His first-year compensation is therefore valued at $5.8 million.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/15464/dansbys-deal-and-final-eight-rules

That sure doesn't look like a bank breaking, headed for cap hell, can't sign anybody else deal to me. Am I missing something in the details?

 

[TJ]

You are being lazy again. Who do you think set a rule that we don't redo contracts in the middle of the year? My money is on bow tie and not RG.
RG should have earned brownie point for finally getting bow tie to allow our draft picks to work out at the OTA's before they were officially signed. This was done at least 4 years ago.

It's simple, instead of RG type bow tie.

The paradox of the situation is that Bow Tie hired Rod so in essence, he is an extension of him. In my last post I never defended bow tie, but merely stated that Whis and Green deserve more credit for bringing in the talent than RG. There are small signs which show the front office is moving in the right direction. For instance, Whis was given the final say in his contract extension with regards to bringing in talent.

It would be nice if Rod or another GM were able to make their own decisions. There are GMs in this league who have the authority to make swift decisions on contracts without having to go back to the big man each and every time.