More Rumors regarding Culpepper to the Cardinals

[ASUCHRIS]

Why not offer Culpepper for the #10, I would do it in a second. Daunte didn't play particularily well this last year, but has proven in the past to be very successful with dominant wideouts. Culpepper would also be a big name to open up the new stadium, and I could see him thriving here with proper protection. We would still have plenty of money regardless to spend on at least 2 decent starting OL, a good DT, a pretty good safety (they come relatively cheap), and at least one excellent skill position player, (great running back or great linebacker/db). Fill the rest of the spots in with competent depth and I can see a pretty competent group to open the new stadium in the very weak NFC.

 

[Zeno]

Why not offer Culpepper for the #10, I would do it in a second.

I like Culpepper but after the injury he suffered with 3 ligament tears I wouldn't give up a first for him.

A third and maybe a conditional '07 pick but not a #1 this year.

 

[golfcardfan]

Don't want him! If we gonna get a QB draft one and let warner groom him ala palmer. Do not want someone else's trash, culpepper will never be the same after blowing that leg up that badly. His ability to run was a huge part of his success in that teams could not just drop into coverage.

 

[BigRedFan]

Culpepper is only 1 year removed from one of the best years ever for a quarterback. I dont know much about the nature of his injury but as long as it isnt a career ending type, it should heal eventually. I would love to see him throwing bullets to our wideouts, much better than the free agent garbage out there, and Warner, though I think is still sufficient given a decent line, cant have more than a few yrs left. Youre not going to find healthy Peyton Mannings out there for grabbing, there will be a catch to everyone. But Culpepper, once healed, will still have a lot of good years left and one of the best physical talents at QB in the NFL.

 

[boondockdrunk]

Why is there even a market for Culpepper? He is average without Randy Moss, turns the ball over too much (both fumbles and INTs), and might not come back 100% from his injury.

I say stay away from this QB at all costs.

 

[Zeno]

Why is there even a market for Culpepper? He is average without Randy Moss, turns the ball over too much (both fumbles and INTs), and might not come back 100% from his injury.

I say stay away from this QB at all costs.

Do you have the numbers to support this? Not just what he did this season but last season when Moss was out. I looked it up previously and while I don't have the exact numbers I believe he was like 7 - 1 in TDs to Ints and completed over 65%. As for fumbles he lost 13 in 3 seasons...while thats alot Manning puts the ball on the ground a similar number of times.

Plus are you saying he couldn't get some of that success back throwing to Boldin & Fitz rather than the scrubs that the Vikes trotted out there this year?

My only concern with him is his injury. If he can come back healthy he's got plenty of good football ahead of him. He is worth a gamble but not a 1st round gamble.

 

[boondockdrunk]

Do you have the numbers to support this? Not just what he did this season but last season when Moss was out. I looked it up previously and while I don't have the exact numbers I believe he was like 7 - 1 in TDs to Ints and completed over 65%. As for fumbles he lost 13 in 3 seasons...while thats alot Manning puts the ball on the ground a similar number of times.

Moss was 100% and Culpepper had three five-touchdown performances and threw for a total of 18 TDs. However, when Moss was out Culpepper really struggled, throwing for just one touchdown in each of those first three games prior to exploding in week ten for 4 TDs against the Packers and then adding two more against the Lions the next week (and we all know how these teams have struggled recently). Moss then returned for the final six games of the year, though whether or not he was ever fully healthy again is debatable. In those games, Culpepper was good but never reached his early season form, hitting Detroit and Green Bay up for three TDs apiece in weeks 15 and 16 but totaling just a combined six TDs in the other four games.

To look at his fumbling numbers, they are just awful over the past few years:
2000: 11 fumbles
2001: 16 fumbles
2002: 21 fumbles
2003: 15 fumbles
2004: 9 fumbles
2005: 5 fumbles (7 games)

Over his career he has fumbled the ball 78 times in 81 games, while Manning has fumbled 40 times in 128 games. So, Culpepper definitely is predisposed to putting the ball on the turf, losing 13 fumbles since 2003.

I would also like to note that of Culpepper’s 11 interceptions last year, all but three came after Moss injured his hamstring.

Plus are you saying he couldn't get some of that success back throwing to Boldin & Fitz rather than the scrubs that the Vikes trotted out there this year?

The Vikings did not have the greats WRs last year, but they are hardly scrubs. Look at what Brad Johnson did with them after Dante went down and you can clearly see that while they were not the most gifted, when the ball was thrown to them they caught it.

Culpepper might thrive with Boldin and Fitz, but I do not think that he is worth the risk we would be investing in him.

Do I even need to mention the sex boat scandel?

 

[Zeno]

I don't care about the sex boat scandal as long as he stays out of jail and produces on the football field. He is a better QB than AZ has ever had...and if he can return healthy from his injury we'd be stupid to pass on him.

His year in 2004 was one of the best ever in the history of he NFL, he was just unfortunate for it to happen when Manning had his career year. 69.2% 39 TDs 11 Ints 4717 yds 406 yds rushing 2 TDs....all this while Moss was having the worst season of his career.

Out of 6 years starting in the NFL he has only thrown more Ints than TDs twice including the past season that he didn't finish. He's run for over 400 yds every year except this season.

As for the fumbles you are right, I meant to say McNabb not Manning. Their numbers are very similar--if you look almost all QBs who have a good number of rush attempts also have a fair amount of fumbles as well. It comes with the type of QBs they are.

Culpepper when healthy is a much better QB than McNabb and the numbers back that up and I wouldn't turn down McNabb either.

 

[HooverDam]

Bringing up that Culpepper struggled w/ out a great receiver to throw to (Moss) is a mute point! If he was in AZ he would have Boldin and Fitz to throw to, problem solved. Now, Im not sold on sending Minny our first pick, but that line of arguing doesn't seem to make sense.

 

[SECTION 11]

Pass. I'd rather have McCown, Wilson and cash to spend.

 

[JeffGollin]

Unless we put our offensive line in order, it won't matter whether we start Warner, McCown, Culpepper or anyone else.

First things first.

 

[Zeno]

Unless we put our offensive line in order, it won't matter whether we start Warner, McCown, Culpepper or anyone else.

First things first.

With that line of thinking should we just ignore the QB position until the OLine is fixed? I just don't think you pass on a franchise QB just because the OLine isn't very good. You fix what you can when you can.

Everyone is aware the OLine is a problem but you can't ignore other problem positions because of it.

 

[Redsz]

Yeah, but the QB's sucess is tied to the line i.e running the ball to provide balance on offense and protecting the QB.

Why would you want to spend a top 10 pick on a kid only to watch him get abused and fail?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Everyone is aware the OLine is a problem but you can't ignore other problem positions because of it.

Wait, didn't you hear about this new rule the NFL just passed? It says drafting a QB or a RB precludes you from ever trying to fix your offensive line.

 

[Vikesguy]

Culpepper to the Cardinals?

The rumor I heard on a Vikings chat was that there is a possibility that Culpepper would be traded to the cards for their 1st round pick and Adrian Wilson, also the cards would recieve the vikes' 2nd round pick. Who do you guys think would get the better end of the deal and would you guys make this deal?

 

[NEZCardsfan]

The rumor I heard on a Vikings chat was that there is a possibility that Culpepper would be traded to the cards for their 1st round pick and Adrian Wilson, also the cards would recieve the vikes' 2nd round pick. Who do you guys think would get the better end of the deal and would you guys make this deal?

I wouldn't make that deal in a billion years. If it were true, you would get the better end of the deal. And I would probably be in search of a new sport to watch.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=67498

 

[Sandan]

We heard from the same source as you and we don't believe it.

Same source said Mike Tice was coming to AZ

 

[john h]

The rumor I heard on a Vikings chat was that there is a possibility that Culpepper would be traded to the cards for their 1st round pick and Adrian Wilson, also the cards would recieve the vikes' 2nd round pick. Who do you guys think would get the better end of the deal and would you guys make this deal?

Have a look at this NFL rumor from Pro Sports Daily:

The Vikings would have to pay at least a $20 million bonus to sign unrestricted free-agent running back Shaun Alexander of the Seattle Seahawks, the NFL's most valuable player. Alexander has a contract proviso prohibiting the Seahawks from designating him as a franchise player, and the Vikings, who need a premier running back, could promote their case for a new stadium by bidding for him.


) Because Arizona Cardinals coach Dennis Green is on thin ice, he isn't expected to have enough clout to persuade owner Bill Bidwill to trade for Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Any timew a Viking player is on the trade block they have been rumored to come to Arizona and so far none of them have come. I don't see this deal happening unless it's straight up for draft picks.

 

[Vikesguy]

Yeah and I dont blame him either who wants to give up that much for a running QB with 3 torn ligaments!

 

[daves]

Why is anyone still wasting time on this topic?

The source of the rumor has been listed as the Pioneer Press, and i already posted days ago a link to the original article in the Pioneer Press, which threw out the trade idea as something worth pondering, not as something that was supposedly being discussed by either team. There was never even any smoke here, let alone fire.

Now discussing the trade as an idea is one thing, but continuing to refer to it as a "rumor" is ignoring the facts.

http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=908026&postcount=16

Just keepin' it real....

...dave

 

[RedStorm]

I would offer our #2 and Wilson to the Vikings to take on the injured Culpepper. Keep our #1 and take Lendale....