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The small ball lineup and trapping defense will probably work against Miami and Orlando because neither team really has a point guard. I don't like their chances tonight against New Jersey however. Jason Kidd is probably better than any point guard in the NBA and beating a press and exploiting it. The rest of his team are excellent passers as well. Without a power forward are not sure there is really any way to beat them tonight. It's too bad because a whipping might break the Suns hearts.

But alas there is really nothing else they can do. Amare Stoudemire and Zarko Cabarkapa posted to the power forward rotation, and they are both out. I hope they play Joe Johnson at power forward and not Shawn Marion.

Go Suns!

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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/1206sunsnb1206.html

Small ball yields huge turnaround

Stoudemire's ankle injury forces change

Bob Young
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 6, 2003 12:00 AM


BOSTON - Out of answers and about out of hope, the Suns went back to something that worked for them last spring in the NBA playoffs:

Small ball.

With a lineup that included Stephon Marbury, Joe Johnson, Penny Hardaway and Shawn Marion rotating in with centers Jake Voskuhl and Jahidi White, the Suns rallied from a 29-point, third-quarter deficit to beat Boston 110-106.

"What choice did we have?" asked Suns coach Frank Johnson, who lost power forward Amare Stoudemire when he suffered an ankle sprain.

"It made it easier because we were down, and out of desperation we threw a group out there that isn't used to playing together," Hardaway said. "But last season this group was successful for us. We might just have to go with that. We haven't had anything else work."

The small lineup pressured and trapped the Celtics full court, forcing them into bad shots and creating 10 second-half turnovers.

"Clearly the difference between the second half and the first half was we had a very difficult time contending with their small lineup," Celtics coach Jim O'Brien said. "They would not let us get into an offense that we need to make basketball plays.

"We had a very difficult time guarding their small lineup. They're all - Marbury, Marion, Joe Johnson, Hardaway - they're very, very quick penetrators, and they're using their pick and rolls."


Amare heads home


Stoudemire turned his left ankle after attempting to tip in a missed shot from Marbury late in the first half. He was taken to a nearby hospital and underwent two rounds of X-rays. There was no fracture.

But Stoudemire's injury was serious enough to knock him out of the rest of the road trip. He returned to Phoenix. Ironically, he is to have his number retired during a ceremony at Orlando's Cypress Creek High School on Monday, when the Suns visit the Magic.


Funk fix


"The No. 1 cure for a funk is a win, any win, against any opponent, anywhere," said Suns center Scott Williams, who sat out the game because of flu symptoms. "Hopefully we can string some together."

Or maybe orange is the answer. Williams was munching on them before the game to battle the flu. And the Suns broke out their orange uniforms for the first time since their home opener. They're now 2-0 wearing orange.


Ainge absent


Former Suns coach and player Danny Ainge missed the first meeting of the Celtics and Suns since he took over as Boston's director of basketball operations. Ainge was in St. George, Utah, attending a funeral.
 

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Bring in Barbosa to help trap and hopefully take the ball out of ason Kidd's hands. On the other hand, the Nets do not have a center. The Suns can go very small tonight without having to get really beat up on the boards.
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How about starting Voskhul at center and Jahidi at PF? I would love to see KMart find out what a Jahidi pick can do to ya? :D
 
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Originally posted by JJ Slim
How about starting Voskhul at center and Jahidi at PF? I would love to see KMart find out what a Jahidi pick can do to ya? :D

Unfortunately Kenyon Martin would absolutely kill Jahidi White. I think Martin and Aaron Williams are going to give the Suns a lot of trouble tonight. New Jersey's passing is too good. The constant double teaming is not going to work on them, and Jason Kidd will happily break a pressing defense.

I'm sorry for being so pessimistic after a great game, but the Suns are going to lose by double digits tonight.

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
Unfortunately Kenyon Martin would absolutely kill Jahidi White.
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In a figurative bball sense, that's probably true. I'd just love to see Jahidi turn the table, in a more literal way.

Let Martin try to kill us with his skills, but make him do it AFTER he spends a little time on his hands an knees looking for his teeth.
 

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Originally posted by JCSunsfan
Let Martin try to kill us with his skills, but make him do it AFTER he spends a little time on his hands an knees looking for his teeth.

That's exactlly what I was thinking, JC.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
Unfortunately Kenyon Martin would absolutely kill Jahidi White. I think Martin and Aaron Williams are going to give the Suns a lot of trouble tonight. New Jersey's passing is too good. The constant double teaming is not going to work on them, and Jason Kidd will happily break a pressing defense.

I'm sorry for being so pessimistic after a great game, but the Suns are going to lose by double digits tonight.

Joe Mama

Of course, this season New Jersey is nowhere near how they were last season--you're making them out to be the best team in the east, when they are near the bottom.
 

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Press, press, press

Some teams break the press better than other, but so what? The Suns absolutely could not stop the T-Wolves at all with their half court defense. What do they have to lose?

If the Suns press all the time, then backups like Barbosa and Jacobsen will need to get a lot minutes.

I think it is interesting that JJ had one of better games this season playing PF on offense. He struggles getting open against opponent's guards and small forwards, but he is way too quick for most power forwards and at 235 is big enough to battle inside.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
I'm sorry for being so pessimistic after a great game, but the Suns are going to lose by double digits tonight.
That's a good reminder, Joe. Despite one spectacular comeback, after a lethargic first half, we are an 8-10 team.

Condoning small-ball during Amare's time missed may be a necessary rationalization. But it won't get us through the second half of the season or be successful in the playoffs (if we become good enough to make it).
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When Amare and Zarco are both back, I'd sure like to see them starting at the Forward positions, alongside Jahidi, with Marion moving to Shooting Guard.

With Jake backing up White; Scotty behind Amare; JJ behind Zarco; CJake behind Shawn; and Penny, for the time being, behind Stephon.

That's a ten-man rotation that could be playoff-competitive, and build a contender . . . with the right Coach, of course.

Oh well, I can dream, can't I? :roll:
 

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so bc you want to take away one of marion strongest skills. his ability to be close to the basket and rebound to play him at shooting guard? and then dont give barbosa any playing time? also will you guys really be happy with penny only getting about 10 minutes a game?
 

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A think a rotation with:
c=white, lil jake, williams
pf=amare,zarco,jj
sf=marion,zarco,jj
sg=penny,jj,cj
pg=marbury,penny,barbosa
would work. I think. I have no idea what I just wrote. It makes a little sense. I hope.
 

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Originally posted by scotsman13
so bc you want to take away one of marion strongest skills. his ability to be close to the basket and rebound to play him at shooting guard?
Until the injury, it was beginning to look like Zarco at 6'11" could give us everything inside that Marion could. Especially with Shawn's inclination to play outside.

If Zarco pans out, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Suns try to move Marion during the off-season. My suggestion was to use Shawn at the '2' for the remainder of the year. It would give us solid rebounders at four positions and get Zarco into the lineup when he returns.

And then dont give barbosa any playing time? Also will you guys really be happy with penny only getting about 10 minutes a game?
That's exactly why I left him out of the rotation. The Suns aren't going to move Penny and will therefore have to use him, whether we like it or not.
 

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Originally posted by BC867
Until the injury, it was beginning to look like Zarco at 6'11" could give us everything inside that Marion could. Especially with Shawn's inclination to play outside.

If Zarco pans out, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Suns try to move Marion during the off-season. My suggestion was to use Shawn at the '2' for the remainder of the year. It would give us solid rebounders at four positions and get Zarco into the lineup when he returns.


That's exactly why I left him out of the rotation. The Suns aren't going to move Penny and will therefore have to use him, whether we like it or not.

Damn the season isn't over yet. They can still pull it out. It's only the beginning of December.
 

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with Marion moving to Shooting Guard.

Marion SHOULD be attacking the basket more and shooting mid range shots and runners. Putting Shawn at guard would encourage him to take the wrong types of shots and keep him away from the basket where he belongs.
 
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