More Vujanic

[Travis Bickle]

Sorry if this has been posted already--last night he dropped 31, 4 assists and 3 steals--6/10 from three, 7/7 from the line. Two good games in a row

http://www.euroleague.net/stats/statsPartido.jsp?temporada=E03&jornada=10&partido=113

 

[Travis Bickle]

And if you click on "View Report," there's a write-up of the game and a pic of Vujanic taking a shot.

 

[Travis Bickle]

And if you click on "View Report," there's a write-up of the game and a pic of Vujanic taking a shot.

 

[Chaplin]

Well, it certainly might be worth it to get this guy over here.

 

[F-Dog]

Vujanic is no Tanoka Beard, but he's getting there.

It's very nice to see him leading his team to victory, and it's also nice to see that he's outplaying his teammate Delfino.

 

[nathan]

Supposedly Vujanic has low assist totals because assists are credited differently. Why is it then that Vujanic averages 2.3 assists when Ed Cota averages 5.4?

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by nm132
Supposedly Vujanic has low assist totals because assists are credited differently. Why is it then that Vujanic averages 2.3 assists when Ed Cota averages 5.4?

Where does Ed Cota play?

 

[nathan]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
Where does Ed Cota play?

If you look at the boxscore posted above Cota is on the other team (Zalgiris Kaunas).

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I have no idea, but my guess is they are saying he is capable of 7assist game nights, where as this cota fella might be doing 10 assist nights.

That make sense??

 

[PhxGametime]

At North Carolina - Cota was strictly a passer? Somewhere in the 7-8 ast. range in college I believe but I might be wrong...

 

[George O'Brien]

I'm convinced. Why take Vujanic when a guy I've never heard of before has more assists.

Vujanic is probably more of shoot first guy, but he widedly described as the best guard in Europe.

 

[capologist]

Originally posted by nm132
Supposedly Vujanic has low assist totals because assists are credited differently. Why is it then that Vujanic averages 2.3 assists when Ed Cota averages 5.4?

There is a little truth to the statement, but just a little. Assists are more rare in Euroleague than in the NBA. Dragan Lukovski leads the league with 5.44 assists per game. (Cota is second.)

Even so, Vujanic’s 2.3 average is particularly low. The leader board lists the top 15 players in assists-per-game, the last of whom averages 3.37, so Vujanic’s 2.3 isn’t even close.

Vujanic’s average is a little tainted by a game in which he played only 4:15. If you exclude that game, his average is 2.7, which looks better than 2.3, but still doesn’t place him near the league leaders.

The notion that Vujanic should be among the league leaders in assists indicates an assumption that he’s a full-time point guard, which he probably isn’t. The team has a guy named Gianmarco Pozzeco who averages 4.4 assists, a guy named Gianluca Basile who averages 2.6 assists, and Carlos Delfino, who averages 2.6.

FWIW, Vujanic’s numbers have really picked up in the last few games compared to earlier in the season. He has ten assists in the past three games. Last season he averaged 3.2.

Vujanic’s game-by-game stats are here, and his team’s stats are here.

 

[Joe Mama]

Well, I woke up early this morning to highlights of the U of A's beat down of Oregon State. Iguodala had another big night, but I was wondering if the Suns drafted him if it would cause trouble. Would JJ regress again if Iguodala was playing well behind him? What if Vujanic is signed and both he and Barbosa play well?

Joe Mama

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Well, I woke up early this morning to highlights of the U of A's beat down of Oregon State. Iguodala had another big night, but I was wondering if the Suns drafted him if it would cause trouble. Would JJ regress again if Iguodala was playing well behind him? What if Vujanic is signed and both he and Barbosa play well?

Joe Mama

I would think issues with too much depth are problems the Suns would be happy to deal with.

I love JJ right now. Hell, who deosnt? But if he regresses simply becasue the Suns add some talented depth at his position, get the hell rid of him. Its not worth it to have a SG who only plays tp his abilities when theres no one there to back hm up. Thats too much of a crap shoot in this league.

If Vujanic and Barbosa both play well, we'll trade one of em. Problem solved.

 

[scotsman13]

the problem with jj is that he was playing behind his idol. adding a rookie would make him go back to his oldself because it would be someone who he looked up to.

 

[SunsTzu]

I really doubt we'd draft Iguodala even if he declares. He is really a smaller version of JJ, IMO what we need in a back up sg is a lights out shooter. With Barbosa and reportedly Vujanic able to spend time at the 2 I'm not sure its that big of a need.

 

[slinslin]

We need some athletic guys on the bench than can play and especially play a fast game, not just some scrub shooters like Casey.

Besides that you never know how a shooter in college makes the jump to the NBA.
A lot of the good shooters in the league develloped it in the NBA.

Iguodala's shooting is ok and improving, he is a great athlete, good ball handler and much more athletic than JJ.

Barbosa and Vujanic will fill the role of outside shooters anyway. I would rather have a talented SG who can do more than shooting around them.

 

[SunsTzu]

I never siad we should draft a SG. In terms of our needs for a shooter we can fill that roll cheaply via FA if need be. I don't understand the need for a guy like Iguodala, you say he's more athletic than JJ but aside from perhaps vertical I don't believe thats the case and he lacks JJ's size. Also his shot has improved but not much Hassan Adams has come much further in terms of shooting.

I think it's likely come draft day we will only use one of our picks, and I really doubt we will use it on a SG.

 

[slinslin]

Iguodala is 6'7 at worst 6'6.

How does he lack size? We definately need a capable backup for JJ.
He is definately a better athlete than JJ.

He is shooting 48% and 33%3s that's pretty good for a soph.

13ppg 9rpg 5.5apg

He can run, defend, pass, finish strong... seems like a perfect player for D'Antoni's defense.

 

[SunsTzu]

I don't know where you got 6'7 from, he is listed at 6'6 but i doubt that listing. Does he honestly look 5 inches taller than Salim to you? He and Adams look about the same size to me at 6'4.

Your right he has a good all around game but lacks a good J. Unless some of our guards are moved we'll have JJ, CJ, Eisley, Barbosa, Vujanic in the back court next year. From what I've seen I don't doubt Barbosa could spend time at SG and from what I hear of Vujanic he could do the same. I just don't see the need for Iguodala.

 

[Joe Mama]

Slin, there's no way in hell Iguodola is 6'7". He is 6'5" at the very most. He does, however, have some of the longest arms I've ever seen. He and Barbosa could probably hold hands and touch either side of the court.

Joe Mama

 

[F-Dog]

There is absolutely no way that Salim Stoudamire is 6'2". Iguodala might be 6'5", but he looks taller when the Cats play Hassan Adams at PF.


If the Suns take Iguodala, it's because he's the Best Player Available. That's how they usually do things, isn't it?

Besides, it's not as though the Suns have more pressing needs to take care of. I think PF/C is still the biggest draft need, but if the centers that are left when the Suns pick are all stiffs, why not?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Actually, I thought the suns usually drafted based on need.

CJ, Amare, Zarko, Barbosa were all drafted because of the position they played (well Amare because he was a freak, but also a PF )

 

[F-Dog]

Don't forget Steve Nash, though.

I'm not so sure they drafted Cabarkapa for 'need'--didn't they have to dump Bo Outlaw to create enough minutes for him? And CJ was third-string behind JJ and Penny when the Suns drafted him.

Amare and Leandrinho were BPAs and need picks. Pretty nice job by the Suns there, eh?

 

[SunsTzu]

I'll concede the Suns normally take the best player available. I doubt we'll have our NY pick though and don't see us taking Andre in the lottery.