Most over-rated Cardinals player over the last 3 years!

[Chris_Sanders]

Well after thinking about it I will cut Shipp some slack and instead turn my overrated vote to...

The Entire Offensive Line.

 

[WizardOfAz]

The Entire Offensive Line.

Hard to disagree with based on last year.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Like someone else said, dont you have to have some expectations before you can be considered overrated?

Russell Davis-Not overrated. No expectations, shouldnt be starting in the NFL
KVB - Not overrated. Granted we heard lots about his 'motor' but anyone who watched him play or looked up his stats from college kinda got the picture he was a complete reach.

Overrated:

Wendel Bryant -High draft pick, regarded as the best interior lineman in his draft, has done nothing. Seems lazy and unmotivated

Leonard Davis - After a strong rookie season has fallen apart. Seems to be lazy and out of shape.

Adrian Wilson - All the athelticism in the world. Cant seem to understand even the simpilist of coverage schemes. Constantly out of position.


Those would be my 3. There are others that need to prove themselves this year that are teetering on the 'bust'/'overrated' fence, but these guys had expectations that none have come close to.

 

[SECTION 11]

Dave McGinnis, hands down.


Sorry 'bout that Dave, but the proof is in both the pudding and the HORRIBLE FRIGGIN RECORD!! AARRGHHH!!!! AAEERRHHHGGHHH!!!!!

 

[SECTION 11]

Yeah, I know he's not a player.

 

[CardsRep03]

Big gets my vote.

 

[Stout]

Dave McGinnis, hands down.


Sorry 'bout that Dave, but the proof is in both the pudding and the HORRIBLE FRIGGIN RECORD!! AARRGHHH!!!! AAEERRHHHGGHHH!!!!!

But, Section 11, Coach Mac has been in this business for over...ah, hell, I can't even type this with a straight face

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Ok Chris it is no secret that I like Shipp and think he is NFL starting material. but some of the things you mention above appear to be made up or you just dont watch him play.

Rarely Healthy??? He was dinged last year but did he miss any games??? How can you say that??

Poor in blitz pick-up??? Granted two years ago he was VERY POOR that I admit. But last year he had improved vastly and made many nice blitz pick-ups. he was hardly a liability.

YPC vastly overrated by long runs???? Thats the dumbest excuse I have ever heard. I shouldnt even have to explain why.

Drops a lot of easy passes????? This is the the one that surprises me the most. Do you literally watch him play. Shipp is an excellent reciever and I would like to see you point out some specifics on this???? Really the guys hands are soft as can be. In fact his ability to catch passes is his strongest suit. Harry seems to agree as well.

Cant find the Endzone??? Thats a meaningless statistic taken over one season. Granted he didnt score last year but actually that isnt a surprise considering how bad this team was as a whole. Plus you take last seasons stats into account as saying he cant find the endzone, then how do you explain the year before when he found the endzone 9 times in only 8 starts????

Fumbles to much. I actually agree! But this something that can be corrected.

Lacks top tier back moves???? Thats ludicrouse, his spin move is something to behold and is commented on just how affective it is by several commentators. Besides the last I checked he is a power back. How many elite power backs do you know that actually "have moves"?

Exactly!!!! And lack of touchdowns, I am sure he would have had plenty if we actually tried to run it when on the 2-3 yard line. But we passed all year and when we did run it , they brought Smith in. Sure there were SOME chances, but not very many!

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Anyway I think Starks has been the most over rated! I remember when we signed him it was supposed to make us all feel no pain about losing Williams. Well even when he was healthy he was burnt way way to much. I remember him just getting picked on by the Rams one year.

 

[Lex]

Thomas Jones.

1) We took him instead of Urlacher, because we already had Jake and DB, TJ was supposed to "complete" the offense. What Thomas actually did, was become too cool for school buddy's with Boston, and ruined our offense.

2) He wasted two years with a "breathing problem" that was finally diagnosed by one of his college buddy's in Virginia, just in time for free agency.

3) He LIED about a hand injury to get out of finishing the season, and force us to get rid of him.

 

[kerouac9]

Overrated:

Wendel Bryant -High draft pick, regarded as the best interior lineman in his draft, has done nothing. Seems lazy and unmotivated.

Emphasis Added


Great thread. I wanted to comment on this statement by LV, though:

Wendell Bryant was the third defensive tackle taken off the board, and a #12 overall pick. Ryan Simms (#6), John Henderson (#9) were taken ahead of him, and viewed as far better prospects. Albert Haynesworth was taken three picks afterward, and was probably also a better prospect than Wendell, but dropped because of character concerns.

As for being a high pick, I guess it's true. Top half of the draft. The other #12 picks from the past few years? Jimmy Kennedy (2003), Damione Lewis (2001), Shaun Ellis (2000), Cade McNown (1999), Keith Brooking (1998), Warrick Dunn (1997), Regan Upshaw (1996), Warren Sapp (1995), Aaron Glenn (1994). I think that the real message here is that you should probably trade out of that spot.

As for the most overrated player: Pat Tillman. Bad player when he was here (for only one year of the questioned time-span), but has this saintly presence among Card fans, who have conveniently forgotten what a liability he was when he was here. At least you can ASK A. Wilson to cover someone. All you could tell Tilly to do was stop the run six to eight yards downfield. If the QB drops back and looks down the strongside of the field, God save the Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Lex]

Kerouac-

Pat Tillman? Couldn't you think of any other white guys to pick on?

Pat Tillman was drafted with 4 other players in the SEVENTH ROUND of the 98 draft. Our picks that year were:
5th round-Terry Hardy TE.
6th round-Zach Walz LB
7a-Phil Savoy WR
7b-Jomo Cousins DE
7c-Pat Tillman LB/DB
7d-Ron Janes FB

Pat Tillman is listed in the usual starting lineup for 1998, at free safety, as a rookie, the year we made the playoffs.

Personally, I don't see how ANY 7th round draft pick could POSSIBLY be overrated, especially one that made the starting lineup as a rookie.

 

[SECTION 11]

Yeah, the Tillman vote is just plain ********. How exactly is ANY seventh round pick overrated?

 

[kerouac9]

Kerouac-

Pat Tillman? Couldn't you think of any other white guys to pick on?

Pat Tillman was drafted with 4 other players in the SEVENTH ROUND of the 98 draft. Our picks that year were:
5th round-Terry Hardy TE.
6th round-Zach Walz LB
7a-Phil Savoy WR
7b-Jomo Cousins DE
7c-Pat Tillman LB/DB
7d-Ron Janes FB

Pat Tillman is listed in the usual starting lineup for 1998, at free safety, as a rookie, the year we made the playoffs.

Personally, I don't see how ANY 7th round draft pick could POSSIBLY be overrated, especially one that made the starting lineup as a rookie.

I dunno, wasn't Ronnie Mac undrafted? Wasn't Marcel Shipp undrafted? I don't see you calling out any of those that said that they were overrated (though I agree with them).

To me, "overrated" tends to deal with how the media, the general public, and/or the fans view a player. Draft position doesn't really matter to me after the players first season. Me, I couldn't wait until Pat Tillman was off roster or relegated to special teams. He was a liability to the defense, and the only reason he wasn't utterly exposed was because he had Simeon Rice providing a pass rush for most of his career.

When I go to Cards games and see all those Pat Tillman jerseys in the crowd (or worse, Jason Starkey jerseys), I just shake my head and wonder how so many Arizona fans can settle for mediocrity with personality over winning.

 

[Russ Smith]

The answer is Plummer. The next Montana? Big contract put us in a bad spot.

But he only played 2 of the last 3 years here so the way I took it he wouldn't be eligible?

I would probably say Clement, there are still people who think he can turn it around this year. I am willing to admit coaching has been a problem with this team but AC hasn't been the same since he hurt his back, and the guy who was impersonating him last year should have been benched.

For what we pay him I don't see a more overrated player on this team.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah, the Tillman vote is just plain ********. How exactly is ANY seventh round pick overrated?

Wasn't Lassiter also undrafted? He was nominated on this list, too.

 

[Pariah]

Yeah, the Tillman vote is just plain ********. How exactly is ANY seventh round pick overrated?

I can see it. Heck, Shipp was UNDRAFTED and he makes some people's list, right? I don't think where a player is drafted should automatically exclude a player from being overrated.

Tillman is regarded VERY highly by fans--big hits, tenacity, loyalty, great work ethic--all of these things made him a fan favorite. Turning down a big contract to serve his country vaulted him into Cardinals patron saint-status.

But, he's not a great NFL safety. He's a pretty good run support guy, great lockerroom presence by all accounts, but a liability in pass coverage.

 

[CardLogic]

I think some of you are confusing well liked with highly rated.

Example: Pat Tillman - most everyone liked him, and speak well of him; however I can't ever remember anyone saying that Tillman was a great player.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

1.)Thomas "The Sissy" Jones falls over when the wind blows

2.) Jake "The Fake" Plummer, couldn't make a good read in a Library

3.) Coach Mac, This guy puts character over talent and demanded you better perform to atleast your highest level of mediocrity to keep your starting job.

 

[Skkorpion]

Adrian Wilson, hands down.

 

[john h]

Adrian Wilson, all the way... Players like Gilmore and Russel Davis were never considered studs anyway...

How about Kelly Stouffer who was our first pick and we never even signed him. He was a flop when he finally did sign with someone.