Murray may know offense but...

[slanidrac16]

Murray has been versed in this type offense for quite some time. How long will it take for the rest of the offense to learn it?

This is something we haven’t talk about very much. Is it a difficult system for the wr’s to learn? How much does the o-line have to adjust? Can our rb’s learn the rpo’s.

All this is going to have some affect on Murray’s success.

What do you think?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

From what I heard on the radio there are set routes for WRs. No WR decision tree based on the defense.

This means the QB and the WR SHOULD be more on the same page because they both know where the route will end up at all times.

 

[cardpa]

From what I heard on the radio there are set routes for WRs. No WR decision tree based on the defense.

This means the QB and the WR SHOULD be more on the same page because they both know where the route will end up at all times.

This sounds like a recipe for failure in the NFL with the complex defenses and ability of defenses to hide their alignments until almost the snap. Also sounds like something that will be easy for DCs to figure out based on offensive sets by the Cardinals.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

This sounds like a recipe for failure in the NFL with the complex defenses and ability of defenses to hide their alignments until almost the snap. Also sounds like something that will be easy for DCs to figure out based on offensive sets by the Cardinals.

Well it's what the Chiefs and Eagles are doing. The Cardinals will standard be in 3 or 4 wide with a Run / Pass Option.

I believe we will chew up man defense in the pass and against Zone we will be good as long as DJ / Oline does their job.

 

[Chopper0080]

This sounds like a recipe for failure in the NFL with the complex defenses and ability of defenses to hide their alignments until almost the snap. Also sounds like something that will be easy for DCs to figure out based on offensive sets by the Cardinals.

I think you will see Kingsbury and Clements start with this fixed route concept and then evolve it as the offense becomes familiar and more cohesive.

 

[juza76]

they can be set every snaps but muraay has the ability to improvise, move from the pocket or just finding the window with his abilty to make arm angle throws
murray is unpredictable with the ball in his hand

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think you will see Kingsbury and Clements start with this fixed route concept and then evolve it as the offense becomes familiar and more cohesive.

From my understanding of the Air Raid (and it might be wrong), but receivers are instructed to change the routes and run to open grass if they see it.

 

[Zeno]

From my understanding of the Air Raid (and it might be wrong), but receivers are instructed to change the routes and run to open grass if they see it.

This is exactly what I heard too. I just read it recently but can't remember where.

 

[Zeno]

Here is the Bleacher Report article, pretty much says a lot of decisions are made by the receivers.

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

Having trouble posting the link...

 

[Garthshort]

Somewhat related question. In the Kingsbury offense, is the type of OL important? By that I mean, someone like Cunningham, who is supposed to be very athletic, be a better fit for that type offense? Especially considering that KM is known to have scrambling ability, or it doesn't make much difference?

 

[BigRedRage]

From what I heard on the radio there are set routes for WRs. No WR decision tree based on the defense.

This means the QB and the WR SHOULD be more on the same page because they both know where the route will end up at all times.

the videos I watched on air raid showed a basic play in air raid and how the QB adjusts the routes with hand signals before the snap.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Well it's what the Chiefs and Eagles are doing. The Cardinals will standard be in 3 or 4 wide with a Run / Pass Option.

I believe we will chew up man defense in the pass and against Zone we will be good as long as DJ / Oline does their job.

I also heard this on the radio from Wolfley.

He basically said that the WRs just run their routes and it's up to the QB to make all of the decisions.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I also heard this on the radio from Wolfley.

He basically said that the WRs just run their routes and it's up to the QB to make all of the decisions.

Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a tailor made QB who excelled at this system in college who the Cardinals could draft?

 

[az jam]

There are still going to be growing pains for both Murray and KK and the team to adjust to a new system.I'm positive on the draft and the moves that have been made in free agency. I think the Cards will be a better team than last year. However, I think we should lower our expectations as it will take some time for everything to really come together.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

So did Oklahoma run the air raid offense? I honestly don't know but I keep hearing Murray associated with air raid. It's not like he played four years at Texas Tech under Kingsbury.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

There are still going to be growing pains for both Murray and KK and the team to adjust to a new system.I'm positive on the draft and the moves that have been made in free agency. I think the Cards will be a better team than last year. However, I think we should lower our expectations as it will take some time for everything to really come together.

I think you're right az jam. As much as we would all love to see the Cardinals score 35 points a game this year, that almost certainly wont happen. Seven or eight wins is the ceiling for the 2019 team.

If the o-line can just stay healthy however, I think we're going get several glimpses of a very dangerous offense. We'll see some bad rookie mistakes by Murray and KK, but we'll also see some exciting plays, and win a game or two that we shouldn't.

Then in 2020, after another good FA, and good draft, we can seriously compete for the division.

 

[az jam]

I think you're right az jam. As much as we would all love to see the Cardinals score 35 points a game this year, that almost certainly wont happen. Seven or eight wins is the ceiling for the 2019 team.

If the o-line can just stay healthy however, I think we're going get several glimpses of a very dangerous offense. We'll see some bad rookie mistakes by Murray and KK, but we'll also see some exciting plays, and win a game or two that we shouldn't.

Then in 2020, after another good FA, and good draft, we can seriously compete for the division.

Totally agree. There is parity in the NFL but IMO 2020 will be more realistic for them to compete for the playoffs.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

So did Oklahoma run the air raid offense? I honestly don't know but I keep hearing Murray associated with air raid. It's not like he played four years at Texas Tech under Kingsbury.

Yes Oklahoma runs at least a version of the Air Raid offense. So the basic concepts will be familiar, but obviously some things will be different with a different coach implementing it.

 

[jf-08]

So did Oklahoma run the air raid offense? I honestly don't know but I keep hearing Murray associated with air raid. It's not like he played four years at Texas Tech under Kingsbury.

Yes, a version of it. Lincoln Riley is from the same coaching tree at CKK.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a tailor made QB who excelled at this system in college who the Cardinals could draft?

Like Andre Ware and the run-and-shoot back in the day? Perfect QB for the system. Can't miss...

 

[Hoodhero]

Reading about KK, I like the fact he would draw up 2 or more new plays on weekly basis after reviewing footage from all games over weekend. Shows he is not stubborn in his ways & in his words all about adapting to players. Just that over that abomination of McCoy is already a victory in my book.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I do not think it's a difficult system to learn as much as the offense working as a whole... this system is about getting in a flow and instincts becoming automatic, in relation to the guys around you responding to the defense

 

[slanidrac16]

How many times have we witnessed our defense have the perfect call only to see Wilson wiggle to his left or right and throw for a first down?

Last year if we were anything but 3rd and 2 I gave up on the idea of a first down.

Look. Defenses aren’t going to suddenly step out of the way or play with just 7 guys. However, SO many people have said what an offensive architect KK is . McVay tried to hire him as a damn consultant for the Rams playoff run for god sakes.

How many of us watched helplessly as DJ was bashing his head into a brick wall over and over again last year? We have a coach now who will actually have him run around the wall this year.

I believe Murray will have a total understanding of this offense before the rest of the offense does. I just hope it doesn’t take 8 games for everyone else.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

From what I heard on the radio there are set routes for WRs. No WR decision tree based on the defense.

This means the QB and the WR SHOULD be more on the same page because they both know where the route will end up at all times.

There are set routes but they can be broken off due to the defense played. The 4 vertical route play gets the defense on it's heels backpedaling & can be even more effective when a few WR's breaks the route off while the DB is still trying to recover. It's not a difficult offense to pick up. When Hal Mumme ran the offense at Kentucky, there were only about 10-20 plays ran, mixed the plays up with different formations, motions & such depending on the defense being played on that play the last time it was ran. KK has his own version of it but the base plays are still there.

 

[ARZCardinals]

From what I heard on the radio there are set routes for WRs. No WR decision tree based on the defense.

This means the QB and the WR SHOULD be more on the same page because they both know where the route will end up at all times.

100% wrong

Learn about the Air Raid Offense - go on YouTube and learn

The WR's DO have decisions to make ...they all start on the same route and the routes adjust to the defense.

You've got to have a VERY VERY Smart QB to run the Air Raid - the QB MUST be able to take a snapshot of the defense and be able to read it on the fly ....just as the WR's do.

Murray is perfect as he did it in high school and college.

Learn more about the Air Raid...everyone on this board should