Murray may know offense but...

[Chris_Sanders]

I am just relying on Wolfley's description. I assume as a former NFL player he has credibility

 

[Chris_Sanders]

BTW...how can "What I head on the radio" be 100% wrong unless you think I am lying about what I heard on the radio

Can we just stop with the rush to be pissed off? I mean seriously

 

[slanidrac16]

NOBODY knows what the offense is going to be. It’s not old school and it’s not air raid. It’s more of a hybrid offense that will change from week to week . Hell it will change from half to half.

Watch all the you tube you want. You may see aspects of air raid but that’s about it.

 

[BigRedRage]

I am just relying on Wolfley's description. I assume as a former NFL player he has credibility

There is a video in a thread on here about air raid offenses. It talks about how the wrs need to be cerebral as the route trees change dependent on the defense and the QBs hand signals

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[dscher]

There is a video in a thread on here about air raid offenses. It talks about how the wrs need to be cerebral as the route trees change dependent on the defense and the QBs hand signals

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Yep.. the great thing about Riley's offense was he made the Qb and the receivers equally responsible. Which is how it should be..imo. Wide outs had the responsibility to make good decisions in the middle of routes and the QB had the responsibility of picking between the most open receiver.. I think we will be seeing some very disciplined wide outs for the first time in awhile..minus Fitz of course..

 

[POISON]

Murray has been versed in this type offense for quite some time. How long will it take for the rest of the offense to learn it?

This is something we haven’t talk about very much. Is it a difficult system for the wr’s to learn? How much does the o-line have to adjust? Can our rb’s learn the rpo’s.

All this is going to have some affect on Murray’s success.

What do you think?

Oklahoma State runs a fairly similar version of this offense except Texas Tech has wider splits on the offensive line and threw more crossing and shorter routes as Cowboys would throw deeper. They also ran the ball more.

 

[Harry]

I think the receivers run what we called a flower route in the old days. The stem was a fixed route that told the QB what area of the field you would be running toward. Depending on the coverage you broke to the most open area. Like the bud opening, you had options. When the offense gets deadly is when the QB & WR get on the same page they learn to pick the same spot and the QB can literally throw the WR open. Now the underneath guys run simple crosses or against zones they exploit the seams. Isabella & DJ will be those guys. Learning the timing and speed of the WRs will be the tough part. Plus anticipating the unusual burst speed some NFL corners can use to make holes disappear. Not only will Murray need to learn to gauge WR speed, but he’ll have to learn to avoid being baited to throw into phony holes. It may be rough at first. He’ll do best on the shorter routes and the deep routes where the receivers get behind the defenders. He’ll also need to watch for very fast center fielders reading his eyes.

Even if he knows the offense well, he doesn’t know the speed of the NFL. This won’t only be a problem passing, he’ll have to learn the speed of the rushers both in trying to move to throwing lanes and if he scrambles. The Cards have improved their line but let’s not fool ourselves. There’s little to indicate this will be a great line or that it has the needed depth. Murray is going to be pressured often and possibly hit often. Expect to see quite a few holding penalties. Bosa, for example,will want to prove the Cards made a mistake. If this gets bad enough they may have to keep a back in which is not good for this style of play. The philosophy has to be keep Murray on his feet.

 

[Dr. Jones]

On one of the AZ Card podcasts (Cover 2, Red Sea, or Underground) they talked about how they will have 40 to 50 plays with several variations within each play. Then rehearse the living hell out of these 40 or so plays to make them instinctive.

 

[ARZCardinals]

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Take a look, it's a short video that'll teach you a lot re: Air Raid

You'll see the connection to Case Kenum as well

And Wolfley is an idiot! Other than his noises and he's fat ...he brings almost no knowledge to the table. You can't honestly say the last time he said something you didn't already know...add to it he was a just special teams player. Shoot he's more of a mascot than someone you get advice from.

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[dscher]

On one of the AZ Card podcasts (Cover 2, Red Sea, or Underground) they talked about how they will have 40 to 50 plays with several variations within each play. Then rehearse the living hell out of these 40 or so plays to make them instinctive.

Nice. Sounds like an adjustable scheme that can make for a long day on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[THESMEL]

From what I heard on the radio there are set routes for WRs. No WR decision tree based on the defense.

This means the QB and the WR SHOULD be more on the same page because they both know where the route will end up at all times.

Well wr rb whole damn team has to read and adapt after snap from breakdowns I’ve seen - which is pretty common nowadays - but I think the main thing is that it asks an offense to establish a pass - past great offenses had a bread and butter run play that once established effectively - opened up play action and efficient west coast or vertical pass game plans. Well air raid has a bread and butter pass play that has many options.

my problem with it is the same as you had with Whiz and BA passing to much. Both coming from Super Bowl winning TOP RUSHING teams and passing like their hair was on fire - passing near 66% and losing until - the only times we actually won to playoffs was when Edge, Beanie and CJ was kicking AZ! The numbers/film/game logs back this up religiously! Just like every nfl championship including patriots, Manning’s when ever and whomever else.

So here comes a unicorn maybe a pair of unicorns Kingsbury and Murray. We card fans and maybe other fans are riding them into a storybook
From far far away to happily ever after or never been heard from since - like Wilks. So prepare your staffs, find your magician, sharpen your swords we have dragons to slay.

I believe that a veteran NFL QB would know what’s inside the box and know when he steps out of the normal nfl box in the air raid offense - it could have benefited the rest of the team. I also think that we could run the ball 40% and protect our unicorn QB , the oline and the defense and special teams.i also think we won’t and wear the whole team out by week 8 of this marathon season. And many players will be broken

 

[ARZCardinals]

WATCH THE VIDEO!

You'll be educated on the system so you know what you're talking about

Don't ignore the video and say, "I know what's going on"

Watch it and you'll 100% get the system...then you can teach your other friends, family and other NFL fans when they talk dumb about the system.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I am just relying on Wolfley's description. I assume as a former NFL player he has credibility

I think that’s a bad assumption.

(A) it’s wolfley
(B) it’s an offense he’s never played in and that hasn’t fully migrated to the nfl

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Well wr rb whole damn team has to read and adapt after snap from breakdowns I’ve seen - which is pretty common nowadays - but I think the main thing is that it asks an offense to establish a pass - past great offenses had a bread and butter run play that once established effectively - opened up play action and efficient west coast or vertical pass game plans. Well air raid has a bread and butter pass play that has many options.

my problem with it is the same as you had with Whiz and BA passing to much. Both coming from Super Bowl winning TOP RUSHING teams and passing like their hair was on fire - passing near 66% and losing until - the only times we actually won to playoffs was when Edge, Beanie and CJ was kicking AZ! The numbers/film/game logs back this up religiously! Just like every nfl championship including patriots, Manning’s when ever and whomever else.

So here comes a unicorn maybe a pair of unicorns Kingsbury and Murray. We card fans and maybe other fans are riding them into a storybook
From far far away to happily ever after or never been heard from since - like Wilks. So prepare your staffs, find your magician, sharpen your swords we have dragons to slay.

I believe that a veteran NFL QB would know what’s inside the box and know when he steps out of the normal nfl box in the air raid offense - it could have benefited the rest of the team. I also think that we could run the ball 40% and protect our unicorn QB , the oline and the defense and special teams.i also think we won’t and wear the whole team out by week 8 of this marathon season. And many players will be broken

Well spoken I posted in another thread that it should be around 40% run and 60% pass maybe should be a little higher one question I do have what happens when its goal and goal to go do they go traditional or try to stick with air raid stuff

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Murray learned it, it’s probably not going to be difficult for others to pick it up quickly.

 

[juza76]

If Murray learned it, it’s probably not going to be difficult for others to pick it up quickly.

obviously your haskins was born ready

 

[dscher]

obviously your haskins was born ready

Haha

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

obviously your haskins was born ready

No but he can at least read a defense and audible at the LOS.

 

[Krangodnzr]

No but he can at least read a defense and audible at the LOS.

And have major accuracy issues throwing past 15 yards. And waddle like a penguin moving around in the pocket.

Haskins is Rodney Peete 2.0

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

And have major accuracy issues throwing past 15 yards. And waddle like a penguin moving around in the pocket.

Haskins is Rodney Peete 2.0

Lol, he’s got the best arm in the draft. Both in strength and accuracy.

He’s not mobile. I’ll give you that. That’s the one area Murray is better.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Seriously!?:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kliff-...tart-week-1-over-brett-hundley-154455557.html

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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Take a look, it's a short video that'll teach you a lot re: Air Raid

You'll see the connection to Case Kenum as well

And Wolfley is an idiot! Other than his noises and he's fat ...he brings almost no knowledge to the table. You can't honestly say the last time he said something you didn't already know...add to it he was a just special teams player. Shoot he's more of a mascot than someone you get advice from.

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There are a ton of NFL failures on that list...

 

[juza76]

Seriously!?:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kliff-...tart-week-1-over-brett-hundley-154455557.html

its always like this
nothing is granted, he has to earn the starting job....
dont worry its just a formality

 

[Krangodnzr]

Lol, he’s got the best arm in the draft. Both in strength and accuracy.

He’s not mobile. I’ll give you that. That’s the one area Murray is better.

Accuracy looks great throwing 5-10 yards.

Murray was more accurate throwing deep.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Accuracy looks great throwing 5-10 yards.

Murray was more accurate throwing deep.

Keep telling yourself that. It may come true someday.