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See, any time I've seen the OLBs of Pittsburgh "dropping into coverage" it's really only dropping into shallow zones, not running downfield with tight ends.

Most players can do that, I've seen Eric Swann do it before. :D

If you watch, you'll see James Harrison 30 yards down field. I've seen Woodley 20 yards down field. It's more than a once in a while occurrence. They mix it up and like to have that ability so they can keep the offense guessing.
 

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But yo have to factor in that Houston has played a season standing up, while Quinn hasn't. It is great to project players from DE to OLB, but at 5, I would almost prefer the guy who has at least shown that he can do it.

That is true, Quinn hasn't played standing up, but he has gone into pass protect mode on quick slants and in the flat. It will be an adjustment for him sure, but from what I've seen on film, Quinn has much more athletic ability and already comes with the body control, balance and moves that coaches spend years trying to develop in players.
 

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That is true, Quinn hasn't played standing up, but he has gone into pass protect mode on quick slants and in the flat. It will be an adjustment for him sure, but from what I've seen on film, Quinn has much more athletic ability and already comes with the body control, balance and moves that coaches spend years trying to develop in players.

The worry about Quinn I have is his get off...Houston has the best 1st step on the edge in the draft IMO.
 

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The worry about Quinn I have is his get off...Houston has the best 1st step on the edge in the draft IMO.

I'll agree that Quinn doesn't time the snap as good as I'd like, but after watching tape on him, and not the youtube videos, sometimes that actually helps him. I notice a lot of the OT's anticipating a quick get off and they backpedal too deep too fast opening up the inside gap for Quinn to shoot. Also, it helps give him time to deduce if it's a run or pass. Very few people in this draft have Quinn's run/pass awareness. There is no doubt that Quinn has tremendous speed for a guy his size and his initial burst when he does move is incredible. But yes, he does need to time the snap better. I think switching from 4-3 DE to OLB in a 3-4 will actually help him do that.
 

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See, any time I've seen the OLBs of Pittsburgh "dropping into coverage" it's really only dropping into shallow zones, not running downfield with tight ends.

Most players can do that, I've seen Eric Swann do it before. :D

How many snaps did Swann take in College in 1990?

I agree with you that Quinn or Houston or Acho (2nd) would be better for Arizona. Von Miller = O'Brien Scofield. So why draft Miller at #5? That just doesn't make any sense.
 

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How many snaps did Swann take in College in 1990?

I agree with you that Quinn or Houston or Acho (2nd) would be better for Arizona. Von Miller = O'Brien Scofield. So why draft Miller at #5? That just doesn't make any sense.

I'm really really starting to like Mason Foster from Washington as well. The guy has a very impressive all round skill set. I think we need to add a minimum of 3 LB's in this draft. As Keith Butler and Dick Lebeau have said, they like all of their LBs to be able to play both inside and outside and I don't think that Ray Horton would be any different.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIF5kNXUH6k

The only TD that a LB was responsible for was the first TD to Jennings and it's not fair to ask Farrior to cover Greg Jennings, especially if Polamalu is going to get over late. Even still if the throw wasn't perfect, it might have been an INT.

Gay, and McFadden were awful, but honestly Polamalu is directly responsible for two of those TDs. The LBs covered very well.
 

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I'll agree that Quinn doesn't time the snap as good as I'd like, but after watching tape on him, and not the youtube videos, sometimes that actually helps him. I notice a lot of the OT's anticipating a quick get off and they backpedal too deep too fast opening up the inside gap for Quinn to shoot. Also, it helps give him time to deduce if it's a run or pass. Very few people in this draft have Quinn's run/pass awareness. There is no doubt that Quinn has tremendous speed for a guy his size and his initial burst when he does move is incredible. But yes, he does need to time the snap better. I think switching from 4-3 DE to OLB in a 3-4 will actually help him do that.

That's what I see as well.

I remember when Suggs came out, many questioned his first step saying it was too slow. But he made up for it with his second step, which was the step he used to finish through whatever move he was using. Robert Quinn is similar; he also has this rare burst to finish a play once he's moving.

I agree with your assessment that his overall skill set will transfer well to OLB, which is why he's often times listed as a 3-4 OLB and not a traditional 4-3 end. Pittsburgh historically is drafting guys on day two (now day three) to play OLB. I can't remember a single one that played 3-4 OLB in college. Sure everyone of them had a transition period, but none were as talented coming out of college as Robert Quinn.

Chapel Hill has a number of prospects I like, including Marvin Austin and Greg Little, and that one safety. It's crazy that most of them were suspended last year; UNC might have been a National Championship contender if they didn't have so many suspensions.
 

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How many snaps did Swann take in College in 1990?

I agree with you that Quinn or Houston or Acho (2nd) would be better for Arizona. Von Miller = O'Brien Scofield. So why draft Miller at #5? That just doesn't make any sense.

None for Swann since he didn't play a lick of college ball. Was just commenting in that I've seen Swann even drop in coverage with the Cardinals.

Agree with you that Miller = Schofield. We need some beef in our LB corps, not another undersized prospect.
 
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