My Case As To Why The Cards Will Not Have As Bad A Season As Most Experts Predict

[Solar7]

Because, frankly, we can't get any worse that's why. Last season was a train wreck. You can forgive a new coach for taking the team backwards for a season if they're trying to instill a new system but Wilks had no system or direction. To me he simply threw stuff against the wall hoping something would stick.

You can very literally get worse. We picked the best way to get worse.

• We retained the GM who led us into this mess in the first place.
• 2018 was a useless draft class besides maybe Christian Kirk.
• We hired a college coach who couldn't win there, and has only had one winning season.
• The number one overall draft pick was used on a historically short QB with limited playing experience, who was going to play baseball until a few months ago.

Last season, we were a train wreck, as you say, but the difference between us being a 6 win team and a three win team was ten points.

We can definitely get better, but we can get astronomically worse than last year. I think that anyone who believes last year's team was the worst in Arizona Cardinals history just isn't really thinking clearly about how bad it was in the 90s.

 

[AZCrazy]

We're going to be much better provided we don't get slaughtered more than the league average in injuries.

 

[DVontel]

We’re gonna get better just because Solar said we’re not & his predictions last year went south.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I would have felt a great deal better had Patrick Peterson not been suspended. Would have been a nice opportunity for a great start. But I am still hopeful. More so, I am excited to see the offense

 

[Vacard]

PED21 is going to cost us some games

 

[NJCardFan]

You can very literally get worse. We picked the best way to get worse.

• We retained the GM who led us into this mess in the first place.
• 2018 was a useless draft class besides maybe Christian Kirk.
• We hired a college coach who couldn't win there, and has only had one winning season.
• The number one overall draft pick was used on a historically short QB with limited playing experience, who was going to play baseball until a few months ago.

Last season, we were a train wreck, as you say, but the difference between us being a 6 win team and a three win team was ten points.

We can definitely get better, but we can get astronomically worse than last year. I think that anyone who believes last year's team was the worst in Arizona Cardinals history just isn't really thinking clearly about how bad it was in the 90s.

And the difference between being a 3 win team and a 1 win team or a 0 win team was an injured QB and a dysfunctional Packers team. Also, while I share your concern about KK, Joe Torre was a so so manager at best. Until he found the right team and now he's a legend. As for the Cards in the 90's, I've been watching this team since 1975 and last years team was by far the worst I've ever seen. It isn't even close and it's not even an argument. Last year's team was lethargic, lost, and for the lack of a better term a ***********. As bad as McGuinnis' teams, the 2000 team(the last team to go 3-12) would have kicked the crap out of last year's team.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Yep. Six wins along with being somewhat competitive HAS to be the hard line for this team. I think if the team goes 5-11, that's not enough progress to justify keeping Keim for additional seasons. If we win less than six, that's solid evidence that the QB/HC combo that people have sold us as being revolutionary is a farce.

2 things are certain the front off has its proverbial neck stuck out on this one and 2. Injuries can and will play a major role as the season progresses just the same as they play a major role for every NFL team

 

[Krangodnzr]

You can very literally get worse. We picked the best way to get worse.

• We retained the GM who led us into this mess in the first place.
• 2018 was a useless draft class besides maybe Christian Kirk.
• We hired a college coach who couldn't win there, and has only had one winning season.
• The number one overall draft pick was used on a historically short QB with limited playing experience, who was going to play baseball until a few months ago.

Last season, we were a train wreck, as you say, but the difference between us being a 6 win team and a three win team was ten points.

We can definitely get better, but we can get astronomically worse than last year. I think that anyone who believes last year's team was the worst in Arizona Cardinals history just isn't really thinking clearly about how bad it was in the 90s.

LOL

 

[Krangodnzr]

And the difference between being a 3 win team and a 1 win team or a 0 win team was an injured QB and a dysfunctional Packers team. Also, while I share your concern about KK, Joe Torre was a so so manager at best. Until he found the right team and now he's a legend. As for the Cards in the 90's, I've been watching this team since 1975 and last years team was by far the worst I've ever seen. It isn't even close and it's not even an argument. Last year's team was lethargic, lost, and for the lack of a better term a ***********. As bad as McGuinnis' teams, the 2000 team(the last team to go 3-12) would have kicked the crap out of last year's team.

Agreed. Last years team was so iept. So painfully, poorly coached.

 

[Matt L]

Agreed. Last years team was so iept. So painfully, poorly coached.

The coaching was bad but the talent on the roster was worse then the coaches.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Everyone knows how I feel, so I won't harp on it too much but to say I don't understand how anyone can say we are clearly better talent-wise or coaching-wise.

The vast majority of our key additions are brand new to professional football. I'm totally worried that if we think we saw a deer in the headlights look last year from Wilks, that we're gonna see a "I just got pistol whipped" look from KK when an experienced NFL coach takes him to the woodshed.

Maybe it won't happen, but the overall lack of NFL experience here scares me.

We honestly couldn't be any worse than Wilkes and Co....

If we win less games this year than last, I would be shocked!......
And anxiously awaiting Keim's firing.....Actually, If we don't make the playoffs this year, I want Keim gone, if for no other reason....The pile of early draft picks we blew picking the wrong QB (again)

 

[Solar7]

And the difference between being a 3 win team and a 1 win team or a 0 win team was an injured QB and a dysfunctional Packers team. Also, while I share your concern about KK, Joe Torre was a so so manager at best. Until he found the right team and now he's a legend. As for the Cards in the 90's, I've been watching this team since 1975 and last years team was by far the worst I've ever seen. It isn't even close and it's not even an argument. Last year's team was lethargic, lost, and for the lack of a better term a ***********. As bad as McGuinnis' teams, the 2000 team(the last team to go 3-12) would have kicked the crap out of last year's team.

You're nuts if you think that, and probably didn't actually watch those games, or blocked them out.

The best players on that team were Plummer, Boston, and Rice, and only one of the three had any business being a quasi-star in the league for any point in time.

We had Fitzgerald, Peterson, Jones, DJ, etc.

Star players in the NFL. The coaching sucked, but the late 90s/early 2000s Cardinals we're consistently starting undrafted rookie free agents.

 

[Krangodnzr]

You're nuts if you think that, and probably didn't actually watch those games, or blocked them out.

The best players on that team were Plummer, Boston, and Rice, and only one of the three had any business being a quasi-star in the league for any point in time.

We had Fitzgerald, Peterson, Jones, DJ, etc.

Star players in the NFL. The coaching sucked, but the late 90s/early 2000s Cardinals we're consistently starting undrafted rookie free agents.

Right...and last year was a worse team.

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[Krangodnzr]

You're nuts if you think that, and probably didn't actually watch those games, or blocked them out.

The best players on that team were Plummer, Boston, and Rice, and only one of the three had any business being a quasi-star in the league for any point in time.

We had Fitzgerald, Peterson, Jones, DJ, etc.

Star players in the NFL. The coaching sucked, but the late 90s/early 2000s Cardinals we're consistently starting undrafted rookie free agents.

Wilks and Co were that incompetent that they took a team with a few hall of Famer or borderline hall of famers and were worse than Dave Macs teams.

 

[PACardsFan]

And the difference between being a 3 win team and a 1 win team or a 0 win team was an injured QB and a dysfunctional Packers team. Also, while I share your concern about KK, Joe Torre was a so so manager at best. Until he found the right team and now he's a legend. As for the Cards in the 90's, I've been watching this team since 1975 and last years team was by far the worst I've ever seen. It isn't even close and it's not even an argument. Last year's team was lethargic, lost, and for the lack of a better term a ***********. As bad as McGuinnis' teams, the 2000 team(the last team to go 3-12) would have kicked the crap out of last year's team.

As a baseball Cardinal fan, you're absolutely dead on about Torre. An absolute average manager with average talent (Cardinals) & a HOF manager with talent (Yankees). I think last year's team was the most unwatchable offensive Cardinal team I have ever seen. In an NFL where the rules favor the offense, that alone was a recipe for disaster. And we saw disaster up close & personal. The D was a major disappointment, in large part due to moving to a 4-3. But, also because our offense had the most 3 and outs than any team in NFL history. Comparing last year to McGuinnis's teams is hard to do. Both were awful.

 

[NJCardFan]

As a baseball Cardinal fan, you're absolutely dead on about Torre. An absolute average manager with average talent (Cardinals) & a HOF manager with talent (Yankees). I think last year's team was the most unwatchable offensive Cardinal team I have ever seen. In an NFL where the rules favor the offense, that alone was a recipe for disaster. And we saw disaster up close & personal. The D was a major disappointment, in large part due to moving to a 4-3. But, also because our offense had the most 3 and outs than any team in NFL history. Comparing last year to McGuinnis's teams is hard to do. Both were awful.

Torre had success in Atlanta and St. Louis but only marginal success but if we're being honest, you could have put a chair in the dugout with those Yankee teams and won.

 

[NJCardFan]

You're nuts if you think that, and probably didn't actually watch those games, or blocked them out.

The best players on that team were Plummer, Boston, and Rice, and only one of the three had any business being a quasi-star in the league for any point in time.

We had Fitzgerald, Peterson, Jones, DJ, etc.

Star players in the NFL. The coaching sucked, but the late 90s/early 2000s Cardinals we're consistently starting undrafted rookie free agents.

Um, I was living in AZ at the time, genius. And I've spent more time taking a dump during Cardinal games then you have actually watching them.

 

[Garthshort]

Using the baseball comparison, instead of using Joe Torre, I'll use Casey Stengel (Sp?). He was a so-so manager of the Dodgers, but became a Yankee legend. Joe Torre had a much better resume prior to the Yankees. JMO.

 

[NJCardFan]

Using the baseball comparison, instead of using Joe Torre, I'll use Casey Stengel (Sp?). He was a so-so manager of the Dodgers, but became a Yankee legend. Joe Torre had a much better resume prior to the Yankees. JMO.

Actually, a more contemporary comparison would be Terry Francona. He was mediocre at best in Philly but did the impossible in Boston and now he has the Indians as a perennial contender.

 

[Solar7]

Um, I was living in AZ at the time, genius. And I've spent more time taking a dump during Cardinal games then you have actually watching them.

Only by the fact you're older. Been watching my entire life.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Torre had success in Atlanta and St. Louis but only marginal success but if we're being honest, you could have put a chair in the dugout with those Yankee teams and won.

???

Torre's every day and all-important job was managing the egos from Steinbrenner down. He earned his accolades.

 

[cardncubfan]

I see no reason why we can't have a similar season to McVays first year with the Rams.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I see no reason why we can't have a similar season to McVays first year with the Rams.

I dont think they will, but I think they can.

Humphries playing for a contract finally stays healthy and becomes the LT he has shown in glimpses.

Kirk takes the next step and one of Isabella/Butler/Johnson has a good rookie year.

DJ bounces back and is a good fit as the do it all K Raid back.

Suggs, Hicks, and the defensive newcomers play well and the defense is able to play consistently well.

 

[Solar7]

I see no reason why we can't have a similar season to McVays first year with the Rams.

McVay coached in the NFL for years before taking the job. Goff already had one year of NFL speed under his belt. The Rams had a talented roster full of NFL experience and just needed a spark.

We are really bad.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

You can very literally get worse. We picked the best way to get worse.

• We retained the GM who led us into this mess in the first place.
• 2018 was a useless draft class besides maybe Christian Kirk.
• We hired a college coach who couldn't win there, and has only had one winning season.
• The number one overall draft pick was used on a historically short QB with limited playing experience, who was going to play baseball until a few months ago.

Last season, we were a train wreck, as you say, but the difference between us being a 6 win team and a three win team was ten points.

We can definitely get better, but we can get astronomically worse than last year. I think that anyone who believes last year's team was the worst in Arizona Cardinals history just isn't really thinking clearly about how bad it was in the 90s.

To say it's a make or definite break season for Keim and the front office is a complete understatement