My Phoenix Suns summer plan

[hcsilla]

I would give up our pick to move Eisley to Charlotte though.
Move the Cavs pick to San Antonio.
Move Johnson, Marion and next years pick to Orlando for TMac and their 2nd rounder.

Great plan, Mr. Gambadoro.

 

[slinslin]

How is that possible? If we move our pick to Charlotte, isn't it against league rules to trade next year's pick because it's a consecutive first rounder?

no

 

[Chaplin]

no

Nice answer.

You seem convinced that 3 teams will be satisfied with that. And I wouldn't be satisfied with giving Orlando JJ AND Marion...

 

[elindholm]

If we move our pick to Charlotte, isn't it against league rules to trade next year's pick because it's a consecutive first rounder?

The rule applies to future first round picks. Once the Suns make their pick in this draft, it's no longer in the future. I think that's part of the reason that draft-day trades always take place after the pick is made, instead of before.

 

[F-Dog]

hc: From Hungary.
He is trying to identify the country.
hc: It's Central-Eastern Europe.

That's better than Lute Olsen, who called Hungary a "third-world country" a few years back.

Bryan Colangelo is a very symphatic man, he was open-minded and friendly.

After thinking about his "Yes. They are soooo young." sentence at least 20 times I still can't decide whether he is a real professional communicator or only he always gives a honest answer. Since it was informative but at the same time he didn't say any insider information about them.

All in all one thing is sure: the Suns (as all other teams too, IMO) are intensively scouting european talents.

That actually sounds a lot like something a Suns scout said last year about Maciej Lampe--that he was a great talent, but too young, and he should really stay in Europe for two more years to develop his game.

With the way things turned out with Lampe and Zarko, I wonder whether the Suns are more willing to go after an 18-year-old this year...

 

[hcsilla]

That's better than Lute Olsen, who called Hungary a "third-world country" a few years back.

, really?

Till now I thought that Lute Olsen is one of the most talented ballboys of the Wildcats.......

 

[sunsfn]

slinslin said,
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I would give up our pick to move Eisley to Charlotte though.
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All of a sudden everyone wants to do another (bad) trade like the suns did for Utah.
The 7th pick in the draft is worth more than just getting rid of Eisley!
The 7th pick in this draft is going to be a very decent player no matter who the suns take. I trust their judgement.
Jeeeez, Amare was the 9th pick, and so was Marion.

To give it away makes no sense at all! I would rather have the suns eat Eisleys contract then give up the 7th pick in the draft.
They could at least get something back from Charlotte. Maybe Charlotte will make some other trades and end up with a late lottery pick they would give us back to move up to 7th and take Eisley.

 

[elindholm]

To give it away makes no sense at all! I would rather have the suns eat Eisleys contract then give up the 7th pick in the draft.

The issue is whether a free agent for the same money might help the team more. Ironically, an extra couple million dollars to play with makes more difference to a team under the cap than one over. Eisley and the #7 pick, combined, will make more than $8 million next year. Could the Suns get a better player with that kind of money? You'd better believe it.

 

[F-Dog]

Ironically, an extra couple million dollars to play with makes more difference to a team under the cap than one over. Eisley and the #7 pick, combined, will make more than $8 million next year. Could the Suns get a better player with that kind of money? You'd better believe it.

Better than Amare, or just Marion?


Besides, I don't think next year's numbers tell the whole story, since Eisley's deal is good for only two more years, while rookie contracts are five years long.

 

[F-Dog]

, really?

Till now I thought that Lute Olsen is one of the most talented ballboys of the Wildcats.......

His wife Bobbi had to go the hospital while they were visiting the tourist traps in Budapest, and that was part of his quote when he shipped Bobbi back to Tucson post-haste.


Lute doesn't strike me as much of a world traveller.

 

[elindholm]

Better than Amare, or just Marion?

If the Suns think they can get a player of that caliber at #7, they're less likely to trade the pick. The speculation about trading it assumes that the team doesn't fall in love with anyone.

Besides, I don't think next year's numbers tell the whole story, since Eisley's deal is good for only two more years, while rookie contracts are five years long.

Really only four before they have to be extended. But with the new CBA coming up soon and substantial changes to team salary rules expected, it makes sense to think about the short term.

 

[sunsfn]

To give it away makes no sense at all! I would rather have the suns eat Eisleys contract then give up the 7th pick in the draft.
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OK!! I might have gotten carried away with that comment

But, If they decide they have to get rid of Eisley, I hope they can find another way to do it.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

But, If they decide they have to get rid of Eisley, I hope they can find another way to do it.

There really isn't any other concievable way to move him. You have to give a good pick or player to move someone with a contract like his.

 

[George O'Brien]

Eisley's contract really is THAT bad. We sometimes complain that Marion is overpaid, but there are not many free agents that could be signed that would match his productivity. By contrast, there are at least two dozen free agents that will be signed for half Eisley's price who will be more productive.

Getting rid of Eisley rather than White gives the Suns not only a shot at an elite player but gives the Suns a valuable role player with an expiring contract in White. If the Suns don't use their cap space this season, then they would have an enormous amount of cap space next season to sign free agents and lock in their young stars.

As it is, the Suns are likely to use their cap space to sign a veteran guard in addition to Vujanic. This would give the Suns six guards, so Eisley would end up on IR for two years hoping someone gets hurts.

 

[Errntknght]

F-Dog, "With the way things turned out with Lampe and Zarko, I wonder whether the Suns are more willing to go after an 18-year-old this year..."

What has Zarko to do with that - he's 23 years old next month. As far as Lampe is concerned, he's turned out very well so far. In general, it might be the best policy to take Euros young, before they establish bad defensive habits.

 

[George O'Brien]

F-Dog, "With the way things turned out with Lampe and Zarko, I wonder whether the Suns are more willing to go after an 18-year-old this year..."

What has Zarko to do with that - he's 23 years old next month. As far as Lampe is concerned, he's turned out very well so far. In general, it might be the best policy to take Euros young, before they establish bad defensive habits.

Sometimes I wonder if it is really fair to lump all the Europeans into the same category. We tend to think of European big men as being soft jump shooters, but I'm not sure the Russian/Baltic players fit that model. (Pavel is a Russian but plays in Italy). Sabonis was very physical in his prime and Kirilenko is known mostly for his defense (his shooting came relatively late). The old Soviet Olympic team was very physical.

Part of the reason I think Biedrins may be a good prospect is that his playing style reminds people of Kirilenko - long arms, very agressive defensive player, shot blocker, and rebounder. I suspect that if he waited a couple of years he could be a #1 pick because of the way the game is played in the Baltic. But I could understand if the Suns decided he was just too young.

 

[F-Dog]

F-Dog, "With the way things turned out with Lampe and Zarko, I wonder whether the Suns are more willing to go after an 18-year-old this year..."

What has Zarko to do with that - he's 23 years old next month. As far as Lampe is concerned, he's turned out very well so far. In general, it might be the best policy to take Euros young, before they establish bad defensive habits.

Yes, that was my point.