My suggested approach to the Off-season - 1st wave wrap-up & looking ahead

[DaHilg]

What is the gaping hole at WR?

Do not see it as McBride is the #1 option, MHJ will most likely develop and the overall scheme is based on run-heavy 12 personal.

I get the need for a 3rd speed WR, but that will still only be the 3rd at best and most likely 4th or 5th receiving option in this offense.

That is a role player IMO

This is just a terrible take. We don’t have a WR2 let alone Wilson being even a qualified WR3. Yes, out OC thinks this is 1962 but in no way are the rules or the leagues perspective in general is set-up to win this way.. yes, a league that is filed as an entertainment league.

It’s very amateur to think that based off what we’ve seen with MHJR and perhaps even McBride being a factor of targets of a depleted receiving corps. We haven’t seen him perform on a winning team yet (I believe in McBride and I think he’s top 5 TE but need to see it on a winning team and not just a factor of being on a lousy team.. similar to a 20 point scorer on a bottom of the barrel team in the nba)

 

[DaHilg]

Some of it will depend on MHJ taking the next step but I’m stock up on Michael Wilson entering year three.

What exactly has MW shown to be anything but a roster spot? How many teams would he even be the WR3 for today? 1-3?

 

[GatorAZ]

What exactly has MW shown to be anything but a roster spot? How many teams would he even be the WR3 for today? 1-3?

I believe in his ball skills and physical profile. I think he needs more targets downfield. Liked his rookie season more than last.
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[BACH]

What exactly has MW shown to be anything but a roster spot? How many teams would he even be the WR3 for today? 1-3?

How many teams would have MHJ as 3rd WR based on what he has shown?32!

How many teams would have MHJ as 2nd WR based on what he has shown?31!

How many teams would have MHJ as 1st WR based on what he has shown?
Probably 16.

MHJ is ranked 19th per pff and 24th statistically as the 2nd receiving option.

3rd WR stats??

 

[DaHilg]

I believe in his ball skills and physical profile. I think he needs more targets downfield. Liked his rookie season more than last.
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I just don’t see it. He’s not fast, can’t get separation, not athletic for his position.. has good size, hands have been questionable at best.. catching only 2/3’s of his targets last year w a a few key easy targets dropped.

Again I don’t see it.. hope he proves me wrong

 

[DaHilg]

How many teams would have MHJ as 3rd WR based on what he has shown?32!

How many teams would have MHJ as 2nd WR based on what he has shown?31!

How many teams would have MHJ as 1st WR based on what he has shown?
Probably 16.

MHJ is ranked 19th per pff and 24th statistically. 3rd WR stats??

Are you ********? We are talking about Michael Wilson.. again are you ******** ?

 

[BACH]

Are you ********? We are talking about Michael Wilson.. again are you ******** ?

Again? When else? Take a chill pill…

And my bad. Read it as MHJ.
How many teams would like Wilson as 3rd.
I actually think a lot.

I think Wilson is a very good 3rd option and I think he could be a solid #2 in the league for many teams.

The problem his type fit in this scheme. Big possession type WR - there is already MHJ and the 3 TEs getting targets for those routes.

 

[AZ Native]

I believe in his ball skills and physical profile. I think he needs more targets downfield. Liked his rookie season more than last.
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Kyler needs to step it up and throw it downfield then. He was great at that in his first few seasons. What happened? He checks down now.

 

[BACH]

Kyler needs to step it up and throw it downfield then. He was great at that in his first few seasons. What happened? He checks down now.

He ranked 13th (tied with Borrow) with 55 deep passes

 

[Krangodnzr]

What is the gaping hole at WR?

Do not see it as McBride is the #1 option, MHJ will most likely develop and the overall scheme is based on run-heavy 12 personal.

I get the need for a 3rd speed WR, but that will still only be the 3rd at best and most likely 4th or 5th receiving option in this offense.

That is a role player IMO

I think ideally, Wilson is a good #3 and the Cardinals get a speed guy either in the slot or outside. Wilson can either be an outside receiver with a fast slot guy, or move Wilson to the slot.

The Cardinals need one more receiver to take the offense over the top...or MHJ can take a big step forward and this is all moot, but I don't think the Cardinals should bank on that.

 

[General Chaos]

I think ideally, Wilson is a good #3 and the Cardinals get a speed guy either in the slot or outside. Wilson can either be an outside receiver with a fast slot guy, or move Wilson to the slot.

The Cardinals need one more receiver to take the offense over the top...or MHJ can take a big step forward and this is all moot, but I don't think the Cardinals should bank on that.

This team needs to add a speed slot WR in the image of Christian Kirk or Steve Breaston. Check the Mic guys love Jaylin Noel out of ISU for that role.

 

[QuebecCard]

This is just a terrible take. We don’t have a WR2 let alone Wilson being even a qualified WR3. Yes, out OC thinks this is 1962 but in no way are the rules or the leagues perspective in general is set-up to win this way.. yes, a league that is filed as an entertainment league.

It’s very amateur to think that based off what we’ve seen with MHJR and perhaps even McBride being a factor of targets of a depleted receiving corps. We haven’t seen him perform on a winning team yet (I believe in McBride and I think he’s top 5 TE but need to see it on a winning team and not just a factor of being on a lousy team.. similar to a 20 point scorer on a bottom of the barrel team in the nba)

I'm generally more impressed by excellence when surrounded by mediocrity than by an above-average supporting cast.

Example: Barry Sanders vs Emmitt Smith.

MHJR and McBride can only control their own efforts.

 

[Stout]

What is the gaping hole at WR?

Do not see it as McBride is the #1 option, MHJ will most likely develop and the overall scheme is based on run-heavy 12 personal.

I get the need for a 3rd speed WR, but that will still only be the 3rd at best and most likely 4th or 5th receiving option in this offense.

That is a role player IMO

McBride's name doesn't come up when discussing the WR room. He's not in it. We don't have a burner or a #2. We need a burner #2. That is a gaping hole. That is the #3 option in the offense but, more important, the one that spreads the field, opens up the deep ball, and makes MHJ's job a whole lot easier. That is a gaping hole.

Edit: Also loving how that's the one tiny part of my post you completely focused on.

 

[BACH]

McBride's name doesn't come up when discussing the WR room. He's not in it. We don't have a burner or a #2. We need a burner #2. That is a gaping hole. That is the #3 option in the offense but, more important, the one that spreads the field, opens up the deep ball, and makes MHJ's job a whole lot easier. That is a gaping hole.

Edit: Also loving how that's the one tiny part of my post you completely focused on.

Because it was the point I didn’t understand/agree with.

And we just disagree on the terminology. I do not regard a missing player for 4th receiving option as a gaping hole because of the scheme and having a top 3 TE. That’s all.

If you read my original post, we are pretty much on the same page with the lack of top level Talent. So not much to add there

 

[PDXChris]

That is a valid point. Do not think it’s that steep. But does it make it a gaping hole?

I think it is. McBride missed 1 game, Kyler only threw for 142 yards in a 42-14 loss. WRs and TEs get hurt and having 2.5 healthy receiving options leaves a big hole.

 

[daves]

He ranked 13th (tied with Borrow) with 55 deep passes

Weird... not sure where you found that stat or what counts as a "deep pass", but Murray ranked 31st in average depth of target, and 27th in completed air yards per completion. And all of us who have been watching have seen his deep pass quantity and quality go into the toilet since the collapse of 2021, when he ranked 13th and 12th in those same stats.

 

[kerouac9]

I believe in his ball skills and physical profile. I think he needs more targets downfield. Liked his rookie season more than last.
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The breakout season did not arrive

 

[Goldfield]

I’m not that high on MW I’d love an upgrade at #2 wr

 

[BACH]

Weird... not sure where you found that stat or what counts as a "deep pass", but Murray ranked 31st in average depth of target, and 27th in completed air yards per completion. And all of us who have been watching have seen his deep pass quantity and quality go into the toilet since the collapse of 2021, when he ranked 13th and 12th in those same stats.

Sorry for not to specifying what I used. 13th in pass attempts over 20 yards was the stat I used if I recall

 

[Stout]

Because it was the point I didn’t understand/agree with.

And we just disagree on the terminology. I do not regard a missing player for 4th receiving option as a gaping hole because of the scheme and having a top 3 TE. That’s all.

If you read my original post, we are pretty much on the same page with the lack of top level Talent. So not much to add there

3rd receiving option. And, again, we were talking about rooms. TEs aren't in the WR room and has no impact on how good/bad the WR room is.

 

[BACH]

3rd receiving option. And, again, we were talking about rooms. TEs aren't in the WR room and has no impact on how good/bad the WR room is.

Well. I do not agree in that assessment.

Scheme and the quality of the TE room has an impact on the receiving room. I do agree with a need for a speed WR, I do not agree that it this gaping hole.

Using your logic I could also argue that Fullback is this team’s biggest need.

 

[Stout]

Well. I do not agree in that assessment.

Scheme and the quality of the TE room has an impact on the receiving room. I do agree with a need for a speed WR, I do not agree that it this gaping hole.

Using your logic I could also argue that Fullback is this team’s biggest need.

Joke post, yes? You're comparing the "fullback room" to the WR room. I get it. A weak sauce attempt to say the TE and WR rooms are the same room, which they very clearly aren't. You might as well just say you don't believe in the whole room concept.

Like it or not, the TE room and the WR rooms are, ya know, two rooms. Plural. Just because your best receiving option is currently a TE doesn't mean the WR room is solid.

I agree to disagree about high high a need for a speed receiver is and that we need a #2 WR (versus you thinking that is MW). No worries there. As far as disagreeing that the WR room is actually WRs, you can spit in the wind if you want, but you'll just end up with...well, spit on your face in place of egg

 

[kerouac9]

Well. I do not agree in that assessment.

Scheme and the quality of the TE room has an impact on the receiving room. I do agree with a need for a speed WR, I do not agree that it this gaping hole.

Using your logic I could also argue that Fullback is this team’s biggest need.

The offensive line also has an impact on the receiving room, but they don’t have any impact on the quality of receivers.

If encourage you to look around the NFL and find a room 1-4 that’s weaker than ours. I’m not even sure SF’s room is worse than ours.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

MW will have a breakout season and leave via free agency ala Christian Kirk book it

 

[HairZach]

MW will have a breakout season and leave via free agency ala Christian Kirk book it

If MW has enough of a breakout for anyone to consider paying him real money then it means either MHJ or McBride had 500 yards. We don't pass enough to support McBride and 2 WRs.