My Thoughts On Boldin

[Cody]

Ever since he signed his extension he's basically been asking for a new contract. Which I think is BS..its not his rookie contract he is complaining about..it is a brand new contract he just agreed too. Ever since then he's been a fuss, whether it was when he sat out of camp, threatened to hold out, asked for a trade, etc. Not to mention it wouldn't be smart to give a lot of money to someone who is INJURY PRONE like him. I don't think we should rework his contract. He has TWO YEAR left. I highly doubt he would ever sit out because that just lowers his value later, especially being an injury prone reciever. 2 years is a lot of time, I think we should keep him the 2 years under his current contract, and if we have the money when that time is up..then try to resign him, until than he can suck it up and work for a new contract in 2 years whether it be here or elsewhere.

 

[slanidrac16]

The Cards are now operating like a professional team. They are not panicking or afraid to deal with the situations on an individual basis.

Any of us would do the same thing. You give a player an extension and then with 3 years (THREE YEARS) left on the deal he wants to renew it again. A team should never redo a deal with any player who has more than 1 year left on his current cotract.

Fitz was an exception because of the incentives he reached. Does Boldin deserve more money. In a word , yes. But he signed a contract extension and was paid handsomely. ANY player that excels can gripe about their current deal because the market keeps going up and of course there are teams that overpay and raise the market even more.

Many times the argument comes up that a team can cut a player anytime during a contract. True. But how many times do you see a player like Tory Holt or Orlando Pace get cut and then land a nice deal with another team?

Boldin is a Cardinal and will remain one this year. He will play his role in our second NFC West Crown and we will once again be in the playoffs.

 

[Goldfield]

No redoing contracts until heading into the last year. I agree 100%. You cant blame Boldin who has out played his contract and watched Fitz make LOTS more money than him. To get upset and try to get a new deal done. I dont think he has been a distraction, he has played great regardless.

I think we need to just drop the contract talk and focus on football. Boldin has zero leverage with 2 years remaining on his contract, all he can do is let everyone know he is upset.

We need to lock up AW for about 4 more years. Then see if Dansby is asking for the world or not.

 

[gnomepete]

Because of the cap, teams are limited in what they can do financially. I am continually amazed that players (heavily influenced by agents) seldom seem to get this fact.

Q had the chance to get an upgrade BEFORE Fitz got his. Fitz had the leverage to force the team to honor his demands, but I don't think he realized the effect it would have on the team (in terms of other players). So, Q didn't have as big of a $ pie to choose from and had to wait, but HE got himself into this.

He then changed agents to (IMO) the slimiest of all and started acting like a child (per Drew's instructions I would bet).

I understand the Warners and Fitz's trying to help the team (after getting plenty for themselves) more then I understand going for EVERY penny IN A TEAM SPORT! Get their money? SURE! But squeezing the team's cap hurts the team! If they want to win, a little compromise will do LOTS better.

I wish these young men would get wise to the fact that these agent are looking out for THEIR OWN best interests (IMO) FAR more often than the players' best interests - which means maximizing the money.

Pete

P.S. - I'm off the soapbox now . . . ;D

 

[Mitch]

Last year the Cardinals were able to do well despite all of Q's complaining...credit the players and coaches for not alowing Q to be more of a distraction than he was.

This year, now that the Cardinals have tasted success and endured a whole year and a half of this, the Q situation as is can no longer be tolerated. Ron Wolfley alluded to this on his podcast. And I think he's right.

In my previous "Have the Cardinals Created a Monster?" thread my concern was what the fallout was going to be if, after all the hype, Q wasn't traded.

So far, the results have been entirely predictable:

1. Q has implied the Cardinals weren't in earnest about trading him.

2. Bickley in his article today stated that Q feels the Cardinals embarrassed him by having him hang out there on the trading block and not making a concerted effort to trade him (which clearly is Q's and Rosenhaus' perception).

3. Q does not participate in minicamp, citing a strained hamstring.

4. He has said "it's too early to tell" what he will do regarding TC.

This situation is "festering like a sore" (Langston Hughes: "Dream Deferred")

What seems very apparent as each day goes by is that Q's heart is no longer in Arizona. For right or for wrong.

T.J. Housh made a great comment regarding ex-teammate Ocho Cinco's poor season lasy year. He basically said that playing football is hard enough, but playing football when your heart isn't into it is almost impossible.

Last year, Q played well...but he was treating it as an audition for other teams because he really believed a trade would be forthcoming. This is one of the reasons perhaps why Q returned to the field as quickly as he did from his injury. It made him look all the more invincible and the kind of player every team would covet.

Now that a trade looks more and more implausible, Q's is going to have a very hard time being able to suppress his disdain enough to lay it (his effort on the field) all out there like he has in the past.

One might imagine that in his way of thinking...he broke his face for this organization and there still hasn't been any movement on a new deal.

Right now the Cardinals really need to resolve this situation...they cannot allow for this acrimony to continue. It's gone on long enough. Either they find a way to restructure or extend his current deal or they find a way to trade him.

While based on last year it's easy to think that Q will be the good soldier on the field again, don't count on that this year. He's too bitter and too indignant. And now his bitterness and indignance has been exacerbated by his overwhelming sense of embarrassment over the fruiltess much-hyped trade efforts.

There was only one verified trade offer: the Bears offering a their 2nd round pick (#49).

Jeff Fisher of the Titans says that he tried in vain to phone the Cardinals...which is believeable, but Rod Graves insists that he took calls from a couple of the Titans' FO execs and that no offer was made.

It was rumored that the Ravens were offering a 1st and Todd Heap. But that rumor was never verified.

In any case, what matters is to Q is what he thinks. He thinks the trade talk was nothing more than a charade by the Cardinals and that the Cardinals got what they wanted: no trade and a less than flattering league assessment of Q's value...which ultimately justifies a less lucrative contract than what Q thinks he deserves.

The curious thing is...which does make me wonder whether Q's thinking has merit...is that when Rod Graves announced to the media two days before the draft that the Cardinals had received NO offers for Q...Graves said something to the effect of "I am not sure how this relfects on what teams feel about Anquan."

I find that a very odd thing to say...and I found it odd that the Cardinals went public with the no trade offers. Thus I can see how Q could feel embarrassed.

Both sides in this matter share degrees of culpability. The Cardinals could have nipped this in the bud long ago the way the Steelers do by issuing a club policy that no contracts will be renegotiated until the spring before the last year of the contract. And if the FO (a.k.a. RG) did promise Q a new cotract two years ago...which is what Q has been adamantly defending...then the FO's part in this is even more dubious.

Either way...something has to be done asap. Or as Hughes concluded about a dream deferred:

"Or does it explode?"

 

[Buckybird]

Last year the Cardinals were able to do well despite all of Q's complaining...credit the players and coaches for not alowing Q to be more of a distraction than he was.

This year, now that the Cardinals have tasted success and endured a whole year and a half of this, the Q situation as is can no longer be tolerated. Ron Wolfley alluded to this on his podcast. And I think he's right.

In my previous "Have the Cardinals Created a Monster?" thread my concern was what the fallout was going to be if, after all the hype, Q wasn't traded.

So far, the results have been entirely predictable:

1. Q has implied the Cardinals weren't in earnest about trading him.

2. Bickley in his article today stated that Q feels the Cardinals embarrassed him by having him hang out there on the trading block and not making a concerted effort to trade him (which clearly is Q's and Rosenhaus' perception).

3. Q does not participate in minicamp, citing a strained hamstring.

4. He has said "it's too early to tell" what he will do regarding TC.

This situation is "festering like a sore" (Langston Hughes: "Dream Deferred")

What seems very apparent as each day goes by is that Q's heart is no longer in Arizona. For right or for wrong.

T.J. Housh made a great comment regarding ex-teammate Ocho Cinco's poor season lasy year. He basically said that playing football is hard enough, but playing football when your heart isn't into it is almost impossible.

Last year, Q played well...but he was treating it as an audition for other teams because he really believed a trade would be forthcoming. This is one of the reasons perhaps why Q returned to the field as quickly as he did from his injury. It made him look all the more invincible and the kind of player every team would covet.

Now that a trade looks more and more implausible, Q's is going to have a very hard time being able to suppress his disdain enough to lay it (his effort on the field) all out there like he has in the past.

One might imagine that in his way of thinking...he broke his face for this organization and there still hasn't been any movement on a new deal.

Right now the Cardinals really need to resolve this situation...they cannot allow for this acrimony to continue. It's gone on long enough. Either they find a way to restructure or extend his current deal or they find a way to trade him.

While based on last year it's easy to think that Q will be the good soldier on the field again, don't count on that this year. He's too bitter and too indignant. And now his bitterness and indignance has been exacerbated by his overwhelming sense of embarrassment over the fruiltess much-hyped trade efforts.

There was only one verified trade offer: the Bears offering a their 2nd round pick (#49).

Jeff Fisher of the Titans says that he tried in vain to phone the Cardinals...which is believeable, but Rod Graves insists that he took calls from a couple of the Titans' FO execs and that no offer was made.

It was rumored that the Ravens were offering a 1st and Todd Heap. But that rumor was never verified.

In any case, what matters is to Q is what he thinks. He thinks the trade talk was nothing more than a charade by the Cardinals and that the Cardinals got what they wanted: no trade and a less than flattering league assessment of Q's value...which ultimately justifies a less lucrative contract than what Q thinks he deserves.

The curious thing is...which does make me wonder whether Q's thinking has merit...is that when Rod Graves announced to the media two days before the draft that the Cardinals had received NO offers for Q...Graves said something to the effect of "I am not sure how this relfects on what teams feel about Anquan."

I find that a very odd thing to say...and I found it odd that the Cardinals went public with the no trade offers. Thus I can see how Q could feel embarrassed.

Both sides in this matter share degrees of culpability. The Cardinals could have nipped this in the bud long ago the way the Steelers do by issuing a club policy that no contracts will be renegotiated until the spring before the last year of the contract. And if the FO (a.k.a. RG) did promise Q a new cotract two years ago...which is what Q has been adamantly defending...then the FO's part in this is even more dubious.

Either way...something has to be done asap. Or as Hughes concluded about a dream deferred:

"Or does it explode?"

Mitch you are the voice of reason. I like you, believe the situation gets worse by the day. As Q said a few weeks ago "This has gone on long enough, something has to happen one way or another".

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The suggestion is that something should be done "ASAP".

ASAP means "as soon as possible"... and, yes, that is when things will get resolved; not on some artificial deadline set by Q, the media or earnest posters.

 

[Goldfield]

I think for what Q has done for this team he deserves a new deal that works for both him & the team. After Q's deal no new deals until the spring of the last year of their deal.

But it is time to give him a deal. 6.5-7.5 per year 4 years.

 

[Cody]

I think for what Q has done for this team he deserves a new deal that works for both him & the team. After Q's deal no new deals until the spring of the last year of their deal.

But it is time to give him a deal. 6.5-7.5 per year 4 years.

He's still got 2 years. We have 2 years to find money for him. AW should be the priority right now.

 

[az jam]

Don't be shocked if he is traded now. The draft is over and now (after team's minicamps) teams can assess their strengths and weaknesses. There are teams like the Jets and Chiefs that have strengthen their qb position (Casell to the Chiefs and Sanchez drafted by the Jets) but are extreme weak at wr. Perhaps they are willing now to part with high 2010 draft picks. (the so called first and third).
I'm not saying this is going to happen but the Cards may be getting tired of the games that are being played by Rosenhaus/Boldin and roll the dice especially if the price is right.

 

[Cards232]

Last year the Cardinals were able to do well despite all of Q's complaining...credit the players and coaches for not alowing Q to be more of a distraction than he was.

This year, now that the Cardinals have tasted success and endured a whole year and a half of this, the Q situation as is can no longer be tolerated. Ron Wolfley alluded to this on his podcast. And I think he's right.

In my previous "Have the Cardinals Created a Monster?" thread my concern was what the fallout was going to be if, after all the hype, Q wasn't traded.

So far, the results have been entirely predictable:

1. Q has implied the Cardinals weren't in earnest about trading him.

2. Bickley in his article today stated that Q feels the Cardinals embarrassed him by having him hang out there on the trading block and not making a concerted effort to trade him (which clearly is Q's and Rosenhaus' perception).

3. Q does not participate in minicamp, citing a strained hamstring.

4. He has said "it's too early to tell" what he will do regarding TC.

This situation is "festering like a sore" (Langston Hughes: "Dream Deferred")

What seems very apparent as each day goes by is that Q's heart is no longer in Arizona. For right or for wrong.

T.J. Housh made a great comment regarding ex-teammate Ocho Cinco's poor season lasy year. He basically said that playing football is hard enough, but playing football when your heart isn't into it is almost impossible.

Last year, Q played well...but he was treating it as an audition for other teams because he really believed a trade would be forthcoming. This is one of the reasons perhaps why Q returned to the field as quickly as he did from his injury. It made him look all the more invincible and the kind of player every team would covet.

Now that a trade looks more and more implausible, Q's is going to have a very hard time being able to suppress his disdain enough to lay it (his effort on the field) all out there like he has in the past.

One might imagine that in his way of thinking...he broke his face for this organization and there still hasn't been any movement on a new deal.

Right now the Cardinals really need to resolve this situation...they cannot allow for this acrimony to continue. It's gone on long enough. Either they find a way to restructure or extend his current deal or they find a way to trade him.

While based on last year it's easy to think that Q will be the good soldier on the field again, don't count on that this year. He's too bitter and too indignant. And now his bitterness and indignance has been exacerbated by his overwhelming sense of embarrassment over the fruiltess much-hyped trade efforts.

There was only one verified trade offer: the Bears offering a their 2nd round pick (#49).

Jeff Fisher of the Titans says that he tried in vain to phone the Cardinals...which is believeable, but Rod Graves insists that he took calls from a couple of the Titans' FO execs and that no offer was made.

It was rumored that the Ravens were offering a 1st and Todd Heap. But that rumor was never verified.

In any case, what matters is to Q is what he thinks. He thinks the trade talk was nothing more than a charade by the Cardinals and that the Cardinals got what they wanted: no trade and a less than flattering league assessment of Q's value...which ultimately justifies a less lucrative contract than what Q thinks he deserves.

The curious thing is...which does make me wonder whether Q's thinking has merit...is that when Rod Graves announced to the media two days before the draft that the Cardinals had received NO offers for Q...Graves said something to the effect of "I am not sure how this relfects on what teams feel about Anquan."

I find that a very odd thing to say...and I found it odd that the Cardinals went public with the no trade offers. Thus I can see how Q could feel embarrassed.

Both sides in this matter share degrees of culpability. The Cardinals could have nipped this in the bud long ago the way the Steelers do by issuing a club policy that no contracts will be renegotiated until the spring before the last year of the contract. And if the FO (a.k.a. RG) did promise Q a new cotract two years ago...which is what Q has been adamantly defending...then the FO's part in this is even more dubious.

Either way...something has to be done asap. Or as Hughes concluded about a dream deferred:

"Or does it explode?"

Very well said Mitch.

 

[dogpoo32]

Don't be shocked if he is traded now. The draft is over and now (after team's minicamps) teams can assess their strengths and weaknesses. There are teams like the Jets and Chiefs that have strengthen their qb position (Casell to the Chiefs and Sanchez drafted by the Jets) but are extreme weak at wr. Perhaps they are willing now to part with high 2010 draft picks. (the so called first and third).
I'm not saying this is going to happen but the Cards may be getting tired of the games that are being played by Rosenhaus/Boldin and roll the dice especially if the price is right.

How does that help us win now? The whole point of re-signing Warner was to win now. A draft pick for next year does us no good for this year.

 

[moklerman]

There is something that I really don't understand in all of this. Why are Boldin and Rosenhaus making all of this noise "now"? At the end of next year, Boldin will be in a lot stronger position in terms of negotiating and it will potentially be an uncapped year. Wouldn't the potential for a lot fatter contract be at that time? Especially if he'd never started any of this whining and just been a beast the last few years?

It makes me think that a) it really isn't about money for Boldin it's about not being the #1 guy or b) the CBA situation is scaring Rosenhaus.

Can someone tell me if the Rosenhaus/Boldin relationship is the same as the Rosenhaus/Owens relationship(as well as Chad Johnson if I remember correctly)? In that Rosenhaus was hired by each of them after they already had a deal in place and Rosenhaus had to force a new deal in some way to get himself paid?

 

[WildBB]

He's a Cardinal , for this year. At least. Old deal or whatever. We still don't know exactly what's possible this year.Next year if he hasn't come to terms, then at the draft IF teams offer what they were going to this draft (a late 1st and possibly a player) then we'll listen and he MIGHT get moved.


The Cardinals were sincere about moving him this year, but his asking price scared legitimate offers away for his true value, which is substantial to THIS particular team.

I've said it once, I'll say it again. THE NFL can't cover FITZ, BOLDIN and whatever other combo we throw out there. It can't be done with any kind of consistency.

SO NOW THE NFL IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH US AGAIN. Hopefully with a dangerous Running attack to go with it.

Contract be damned.

 

[Gambo is a Turd]

There is something that I really don't understand in all of this. Why are Boldin and Rosenhaus making all of this noise "now"? At the end of next year, Boldin will be in a lot stronger position in terms of negotiating and it will potentially be an uncapped year. Wouldn't the potential for a lot fatter contract be at that time? Especially if he'd never started any of this whining and just been a beast the last few years?

Because Q is 1 more serious hit away from seeing his value go down by 50% or more. He has been battling injuries for years and with him not getting any younger and with his style of play, that's a big gamble to take. They want as much money as soon as they can get it and with good reason. That's my take anyway.

 

[Brighteyes]

There is something that I really don't understand in all of this. Why are Boldin and Rosenhaus making all of this noise "now"? At the end of next year, Boldin will be in a lot stronger position in terms of negotiating and it will potentially be an uncapped year. Wouldn't the potential for a lot fatter contract be at that time? Especially if he'd never started any of this whining and just been a beast the last few years?

It makes me think that a) it really isn't about money for Boldin it's about not being the #1 guy or b) the CBA situation is scaring Rosenhaus.

Can someone tell me if the Rosenhaus/Boldin relationship is the same as the Rosenhaus/Owens relationship(as well as Chad Johnson if I remember correctly)? In that Rosenhaus was hired by each of them after they already had a deal in place and Rosenhaus had to force a new deal in some way to get himself paid?

Right now he is 28 years old.

He'll be 29 in October -- and 30 at the end of this contract. Perhaps there's concern about age factoring in to any offers from other teams at that point.

 

[lauraw]

Its certainly about age, and the injuries he's taken.. My take is he will retire as a Cardinal- After we redo AW, we will redo Boldin for 5 years 40million, 15 guaranteed. after 3 years of that contract we can cut him off.