My vent thread

[Russ Smith]

I don't get Rowen, I realize you want to run the clock but with a stacked defense run some play action, safe passes and move the chains. Leinart is legit, trust the kid.

Still mad at JJ for that dumb spike, didn't effect the game but he was playing so well, he'd earned the right to play more, he was a positive impact the whole game, and now he may go right back in the doghouse for losing his composure.

Our DB's can't catch the ball, CB's at least. And Rolle proved again he's not a CB, torched on the first play gets lucky, gets away with an obvious illegal contact later, even missed a few tackles that hurt us.

We can't get a break. The first FG drive by Chicago in the first half the guy is stopped a good foot short of the yellow line, clear as day. They spot the ball short, clear as day, then move it to measure and sure enough, it's a first down? What the hell, was the yellow line wrong or did they move it forward when they moved it? Anybody else here notice that, the announcers were saying it's short, then they said it's not, and just completely glossed over it like it was normal?

Why can't we return a kick without a penalty? Why can't we ever get a hole on the returns, JJ seems to have figured out now how to return kicks, give him some room. Same on punts, give Walters a chance, no blocking.

Why can't we find a center that can snap the damn ball? How many times last night did Matt have to reach for the shotgun snap from Leckey? He played better than Step, deserves to start again, but his snaps were low and wide left repeatedly.

Why is Shipp still on punt blocking he nearly got another blocked last night got just enough of the guy that we avoided it. He's dangerous there got to put a LB there instead IMHO.

I can't stand Huff, he misses tackles, that's all he does every game I see, misses tackles.

I'm seriously starting to think like others have said before, move Wilson to LB, put Rolle at SS, draft or sign CB's. Can you imagine Dansby, Hayes and Wilson at LB? Small yes, look at Denver's LB's they do just fine.

 

[TigToad]

Jj

I disagree JJ's spike didn't hurt the game.

We had the ball on the 35 without his spike. We had a 15 yard penalty, then made about 15 yards before punting. If we could have made those yards before puting we're punting from mid-field. A lot easier to get it nearer the endzone, and makes a punt return harder.

That punt return was a touchdown.

I blame JJ as much as anyone for this 4th quarter melt down

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I blame Ross and his princess block for the 4th Quarter meltdown.

This stat is the most bizarre, and I bet that I NEVER see it again.

The Cards do not allow a single offensive touchdown, and force 6 turnovers. And STILL LOSE.

 

[Russ Smith]

I disagree JJ's spike didn't hurt the game.

We had the ball on the 35 without his spike. We had a 15 yard penalty, then made about 15 yards before punting. If we could have made those yards before puting we're punting from mid-field. A lot easier to get it nearer the endzone, and makes a punt return harder.

That punt return was a touchdown.

I blame JJ as much as anyone for this 4th quarter melt down

The point is that we still could have won the game his penalty didn't cause us to have to punt. Yes without the penalty maybe the punt pins them back more.

But let's be honest, even if Rackers makes that kick, we still lose, they return a KO, or they get in FG range and make it. That's just our lot right now and as Conrad said maybe that's what it takes to get this all figured out, a bunch of gut wrenching losses that nobody in this franchise can take?

 

[Kel Varnsen]

I blame Ross and his princess block for the 4th Quarter meltdown.

This stat is the most bizarre, and I bet that I NEVER see it again.

The Cards do not allow a single offensive touchdown, and force 6 turnovers. And STILL LOSE.

If you do see it again, you'll know which team will have done it. Nothing ever changes around here.

 

[RedViper]

But let's be honest, even if Rackers makes that kick, we still lose, they return a KO, or they get in FG range and make it. That's just our lot right now and as Conrad said maybe that's what it takes to get this all figured out, a bunch of gut wrenching losses that nobody in this franchise can take?

Honestly I'm not going to agree with that. We had destroyed them on kickoffs all night but more importantly we had Grossman on the ropes. He didn't know if he was coming or going. He never showed any consistent ability to drive on us the entire night. They had no time outs. If Rack hits his FG, we very likely win the game. I know its a hard truth for Rack and I think your certainty that we still lose comes from the growing belief by all that its impossible for this team to win a game which is understandable. Nevertheless.

 

[ajcardfan]

Honestly I'm not going to agree with that. We had destroyed them on kickoffs all night but more importantly we had Grossman on the ropes. He didn't know if he was coming or going. He never showed any consistent ability to drive on us the entire night. They had no time outs. If Rack hits his FG, we very likely win the game. I know its a hard truth for Rack and I think your certainty that we still lose comes from the growing belief by all that its impossible for this team to win a game which is understandable. Nevertheless.

Yeah, I did not believe they could drive the field for a TD on us when we punted with three minutes to go. Grossman was a BASKET case.

 

[Russ Smith]

Honestly I'm not going to agree with that. We had destroyed them on kickoffs all night but more importantly we had Grossman on the ropes. He didn't know if he was coming or going. He never showed any consistent ability to drive on us the entire night. They had no time outs. If Rack hits his FG, we very likely win the game. I know its a hard truth for Rack and I think your certainty that we still lose comes from the growing belief by all that its impossible for this team to win a game which is understandable. Nevertheless.

That's really how i feel, that we're just not meant to win yet it's like no matter what we find a way to lose. I think those last 2 games though are an absolute "tipping point" for this franchise the question is do they tip us down the drain, or do they finally get the whole team so ticked off that they go out and take out Oakland and Green bay and go to the bye fixing what's wrong with the Ol and getting better?

I get a sense that this team is on the verge of turning the corner. Nobody dislikes Green more than I do but even I want to give him the rest of the year on this. If we're still beating ourselves, can him, but let's finish out this year and see what can happen.

The amazing thing to me is we found a franchise QB, but now I'm wondering how people about that draft thread I started last week about if Peterson or Lynch is there do you take him? How can you watch Edge and not think this guy is just a shell, he runs hard, best back we have, but he has no explosiveness left.

 

[Pariah]

I don't understand how the announcers could make such a big deal out of the Cards organization being adament (sp?) about "we should be 3-2," and not fire dennis green now that they have to say "we should be 4-2."

Fact is, we're 1-5 and it's because we're an undisciplined mess. That's all on Green's shoulders.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I blame Ross and his princess block for the 4th Quarter meltdown.

This stat is the most bizarre, and I bet that I NEVER see it again.

The Cards do not allow a single offensive touchdown, and force 6 turnovers. And STILL LOSE.

Make it:

The Cards do not allow a single offensive touchdown, score 23, and force 6 turnovers. And STILL LOSE.

 

[Ryanwb]

I watched the Ross play again and Leinart audibles the play.... I'm thinking they audibled from a running play to a passing play and Ross didn't hear it which is why he whiffed

 

[Billy Flynt]

I watched the Ross play again and Leinart audibles the play.... I'm thinking they audibled from a running play to a passing play and Ross didn't hear it which is why he whiffed

If it was a run play he should have fired off to hit someone. Apparently he was to block down and the RB should have taken the DE. The RB didn't hear the audible. At any rate, he has to have his head on a swivel and make that play.

 

[Russ Smith]

I watched the Ross play again and Leinart audibles the play.... I'm thinking they audibled from a running play to a passing play and Ross didn't hear it which is why he whiffed

he moved inside but if you watch, he didn't even block Urlacher he just stood there. So he knew it was a pass play because he was pass blocking, not run blocking. But he finally did turn like oh crap "did I do that?"

 

[Russ Smith]

If it was a run play he should have fired off to hit someone. Apparently he was to block down and the RB should have taken the DE. The RB didn't hear the audible. At any rate, he has to have his head on a swivel and make that play.

I just don't buy that because Edge DID pick up a blitzer on the left side. They brought more than we could block and maybe if he blocks Anderson, Urlacher comes through clean, but to me you gotta protect the blindside let Leinart deal with the guy he can see inside over the guy he can't see outside.
one of the articles posted this morning quotes Green as saying Ross missed the block assignment FYI. I hate Ross.

 

[Billy Flynt]

I
Still mad at JJ for that dumb spike, didn't effect the game but he was playing so well, he'd earned the right to play more, he was a positive impact the whole game, and now he may go right back in the doghouse for losing his composure.

That was a crap call. He was jacked up after a solid return - I can't say how many times I've seen the same reaction around the league and no penalty is called. Why not flag Q for every first down gesture he made? Believe me, I'm not one who likes excessive celebrations and I can't stand the way Chad Johnson, et al, have to draw attention to themselves after a score. They allow these choreographed stunts to continue to go on but then the flag a guy who jumps up excited after a big effort.

 

[Russ Smith]

That was a crap call. He was jacked up after a solid return - I can't say how many times I've seen the same reaction around the league and no penalty is called. Why not flag Q for every first down gesture he made? Believe me, I'm not one who likes excessive celebrations and I can't stand the way Chad Johnson, et al, have to draw attention to themselves after a score. They allow these choreographed stunts to continue to go on but then the flag a guy who jumps up excited after a big effort.

As I posted last night my issue with the call is that not one but TWO Bears intentionally tried to trip JJ after the play was over. That's why he spiked it and then yelled at a Bear and drew the flag. if you flag him, you should flag them for instigating it, but we just don't get that call. But we're close.

And beyond that one play, JJ played an excellent game.

 

[conraddobler]

As I posted last night my issue with the call is that not one but TWO Bears intentionally tried to trip JJ after the play was over. That's why he spiked it and then yelled at a Bear and drew the flag. if you flag him, you should flag them for instigating it, but we just don't get that call. But we're close.

And beyond that one play, JJ played an excellent game.

There are legions of things about this game that stand out and display disperate treatment.

Edges fumble, you think they don't blow that whistle if New Englands playing, or call a New England player for what Arrington did?

No way we all know that, what's worse is that the answer to that is always play better so it dosen't matter, we did, we still lost, you're right this was just not meant to be, why I don't know but had we won that game I'm sure the universe would come to an end because it was ordained we must not win that game, there is no other explanation.