Mythbusters: PFF Edition

Krangodnzr · Feb 2, 2020

Solar7 said:
I just want to get better on the line, man. None of our players are or ever have been elite there in my lifetime, and it's tough to swallow another 4-5 years of a guy who is only worth re-signing because we're scared of the alternative. It seems like a perfect time to get a blue chip offensive line talent even if we suffer marginally for part of a year while he gets up to speed.

I'm not going to scream and cry if we retain him, but it's just so meh. Everyone seems to want these flashy/sexy picks without building what successful teams seem to have.

Not every team with a blue chip lineman has the LT as their best player.

Draft someone like Wirfs and you got yourself a monster RT

Krangodnzr · Feb 2, 2020

Solar7 said:
No. I think Kyler bailed them out and they still sucked as much as I expected. They're a bottom tier OL, and just because they played like garbage instead of hot garbage does not mean they're improved.

What's to say they won't be better with another year together is that they're limited by talent. There is not a single guy on this OL that would be guaranteed a starting spot on any other roster in the league.

This of course ignores the fact that the run game set a Cardinals record for yards per carry.

BritCard · Feb 2, 2020

GuernseyCard said:
I know how how the CAP works!

And, yes, that's precisely how it would be structured.

Johnson didn't tear his MCL. It was a strain and he didn't require surgery.

"Jan 1, 2017 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2"

"A grade 2 MCL injury means that your ligament has been partially torn."

BritCard · Feb 2, 2020

Krangthebrain said:
That's assuming ANY of the top tackles this year can play LT at even a middling NFL level.

Wirfs? RT mostly
Wills? RT
Thomas? Scouts doubt he can even hold up at EITHER tackle.
Becton? LT but he's raw.

What we 100% know is Hump can't play tackle at a middling NFL level. Middle by definition is average. Hump is not average.

BritCard · Feb 2, 2020

slanidrac16 said:
We also need to stop thinking about individual players when we evaluate the offensive line. Think of the offensive line as a unit.

Wouldn’t you agree this o-line played better this year than expected? What’s to say they won’t even be better with another year together?

Read any analysts break down of our needs there are only 2 versions of the same story.

The first is they say we desperately need to improve the O line because it sucks. So they have us drafting O line at #8.

The second is they have us taking Lamb at #8 but always mention that O line is the biggest need but they can't resist pairing Lamb with Murray.

If you look at the wider NFL media world can anyone find a single person that thinks our O line should stay the same? The universal consensus is that it's still bad. Just not so God awful bad as last year.

GuernseyCard · Feb 2, 2020

BritCard said:
"Jan 1, 2017 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2"

"A grade 2 MCL injury means that your ligament has been partially torn."

He didn't go under the knife and was squatting 500+ early in the off-season. And, yes, one can make the technical argument that every strain has a tearing effect. Happy now?

GuernseyCard · Feb 2, 2020

BritCard said:
What we 100% know is Hump can't play tackle at a middling NFL level. Middle by definition is average. Hump is not average.

So you say, Mr. PFF - ad nauseam!

What we can say with 100% certainty is that you're unhinged on this Hump thing

Krangodnzr · Feb 2, 2020

BritCard said:
What we 100% know is Hump can't play tackle at a middling NFL level. Middle by definition is average. Hump is not average.

False.

Krangodnzr · Feb 2, 2020

GuernseyCard said:
So you say, Mr. PFF - ad nauseam!

What we can say with 100% certainty is that you're unhinged on this Hump thing

Hes has the Humphries Derangement Syndrome. LOL

Krangodnzr · Feb 2, 2020

BritCard said:
Read any analysts break down of our needs there are only 2 versions of the same story.

The first is they say we desperately need to improve the O line because it sucks. So they have us drafting O line at #8.

The second is they have us taking Lamb at #8 but always mention that O line is the biggest need but they can't resist pairing Lamb with Murray.

If you look at the wider NFL media world can anyone find a single person that thinks our O line should stay the same? The universal consensus is that it's still bad. Just not so God awful bad as last year.

Right....because the national media watches every Cardinals game.

They look at the stats and see over 50 sacks! OMGz the Cardinals need OLz! Instead of you know, crunching the numbers and seeing that about the same time that they abandoned the I'll fitting 10 personnel, protection improved dramatically.

Weak sauce argument.

BritCard · Feb 2, 2020

Krangthebrain said:
Hes has the Humphries Derangement Syndrome. LOL

I, like literally everyone in football, think Hump is a bottom tier LT.

About 95% of Cards fans thought the same until 2 months ago. I bet if I looked I could find a whole bunch of old posts bashing Hump.

One year healthy with 2 sacks because Kyler evaded a bunch and some want to give him 55m+.

I prefer to judge players on what they have been most of the time. Not the one healthy contract year they decided to turn up. Even then he was the 23rd ranked LT.

From where I'm standing I'm not the deluded one.

GuernseyCard · Feb 2, 2020

BritCard said:
I, like literally everyone in football, think Hump is a bottom tier LT.

About 95% of Cards fans thought the same until 2 months ago. I bet if I looked I could find a whole bunch of old posts bashing Hump.

One year healthy with 2 sacks because Kyler evaded a bunch and some want to give him 55m+.

I prefer to judge players on what they have been most of the time. Not the one healthy contract year they decided to turn up. Even then he was the 23rd ranked LT.

From where I'm standing I'm not the deluded one.

'Weak sauce' arguments invariably have unsupported claims of support and percentages pulled from the nether region and always end with the delusional assertion of being the only rational, sane person in the debate.

Solar7 · Feb 2, 2020

Krangthebrain said:
Not every team with a blue chip lineman has the LT as their best player.

Draft someone like Wirfs and you got yourself a monster RT

I'm fine with Wirfs too, and he doesn't have to replace Humphries.

I just want a really great player somewhere across the line.

Krangthebrain said:
This of course ignores the fact that the run game set a Cardinals record for yards per carry.

Just because we've been awful and weren't as awful does not mean we are good.

WildBB · Feb 2, 2020

Solar7 said:
No. I think Kyler bailed them out and they still sucked as much as I expected. They're a bottom tier OL, and just because they played like garbage instead of hot garbage does not mean they're improved.

What's to say they won't be better with another year together is that they're limited by talent. There is not a single guy on this OL that would be guaranteed a starting spot on any other roster in the league.

I think you underestimate how bad too many teams are there. Yes QB's make a huge difference. But difference between last yr. and 2018 was we actually had all our starters sans RT. It was a pretty big step forward for this group.

Solar7 · Feb 2, 2020

WildBB said:
I think you underestimate how bad too many teams are there. Yes QB's make a huge difference. But difference between last yr. and 2018 was we actually had all our starters sans RT. It was a pretty big step forward for this group.

Many teams are terrible there. The good ones aren't. That's the issue.

I am sick and tired of comparing anything to 2018. We were historically bad. Let's compare it to 2015, the year we had a legitimate shot at winning it all, where we should want to be as fans.

WildBB · Feb 2, 2020

Solar7 said:
Many teams are terrible there. The good ones aren't. That's the issue.

I am sick and tired of comparing anything to 2018. We were historically bad. Let's compare it to 2015, the year we had a legitimate shot at winning it all, where we should want to be as fans.

Stay healthy, keep adding legit pieces. I'm seeing improvement, keep improving. Keep getting more physical. Ramming speeedddd.

Krangodnzr · Feb 2, 2020

Solar7 said:
I'm fine with Wirfs too, and he doesn't have to replace Humphries.

I just want a really great player somewhere across the line.

Just because we've been awful and weren't as awful does not mean we are good.

No, not a good group, but much closer to league average than awful. Replace Justin Murray and have him as a backup. Draft Wirfs, Wills, or Becton and watch the group become pretty good.

DVontel · Feb 2, 2020

Seems like every OT not named DJ Humphries & Ronnie Stanley struggled with Bosa this season.

GuernseyCard · Feb 2, 2020

DVontel said:
Seems like every OT not named DJ Humphries & Ronnie Stanley struggled with Bosa this season.

Bite your tongue!

DJ is mediocre, and both his floor and ceiling is mediocre! He's barely worth a bucket of spit.

BritCard · Feb 3, 2020

GuernseyCard said:
'Weak sauce' arguments invariably have unsupported claims of support and percentages pulled from the nether region and always end with the delusional assertion of being the only rational, sane person in the debate.

Here's your franchise LT

On the floor, leading to an INT. Oh but it wasn't a sack so it doesn't count right?