N’Keal Harry...

[Cardinal]

Freak.

How does his game tape look though? Did he dominate?

I bet he won’t even be the best WR to come out of Ole Miss this draft. AJ Brown’s film is much better than DK’s.

The only routes that DK ran were a 9 or fade

 

[HeHasRosen]

I bet he won’t even be the best WR to come out of Ole Miss this draft. AJ Brown’s film is much better than DK’s.

The only routes that DK ran were a 9 or fade

True. Be nice if he had someone to teach him to run some routes. Hmm maybe one of the best route runners of all time like Larry Legend

 

[kerouac9]

Harry being mentored by Larry for one year would be huge!

Two Arizona WRs (Harry and Kirk) being taught by an Arizona legend.

Meaningless. How has being mentored by Fitz helped Chad Williams?

I see very little evidence that Fitz is much of a teacher or mentor.

 

[Shane]

Meaningless. How has being mentored by Fitz helped Chad Williams?

I see very little evidence that Fitz is much of a teacher or mentor.

I kind of agree. But you could say he helped develop Steve Breaston into a serviceable WR. As well as Andre Roberts. Neither stars but had decent careers compared to what was expected of them. One could even say he had an impact on John Brown when he was actually healthy and able to play.

 

[The Kraken]

Meaningless. How has being mentored by Fitz helped Chad Williams?

I see very little evidence that Fitz is much of a teacher or mentor.

"When the student is ready the teacher will appear"

That is more of a commentary on Chad Williams vice Fitz...

 

[iLLmatiC]

I kind of agree. But you could say he helped develop Steve Breaston into a serviceable WR. As well as Andre Roberts. Neither stars but had decent careers compared to what was expected of them. One could even say he had an impact on John Brown when he was actually healthy and able to play.

Don't forget about Floyd pre alcohol.

 

[Shane]

Don't forget about Floyd pre alcohol.

I dunno Floyd was projected to be a star and an overall stud as an NFL WR.. His draft status warranted the hype to. He had one good season really so I can’t really say that with his natural talent and ability that Futz helped elevate his game any??

 

[Cardinal]

I kind of agree. But you could say he helped develop Steve Breaston into a serviceable WR. As well as Andre Roberts. Neither stars but had decent careers compared to what was expected of them. One could even say he had an impact on John Brown when he was actually healthy and able to play.

I firmly believe Q helped Larry's career as well. Sure Larry was already great before coming to AZ, but some knocks on him coming out of the draft was his speed and physicality. Well you can't really teach speed, but certainly Q's toughness was contagious. Larry turned into one of the most physical WRs in the league.

 

[Shane]

I firmly believe Q helped Larry's career as well. Sure Larry was already great before coming to AZ, but some knocks on him coming out of the draft was his speed and physicality. Well you can't really teach speed, but certainly Q's toughness was contagious. Larry turned into one of the most physical WRs in the league.

when we are at TC the first year Larry was here he was always asking Q questions. You could hear them interact they were so close to the stands. I thought it was cool considering Q was only in year 2 himself.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Meaningless. How has being mentored by Fitz helped Chad Williams?

I see very little evidence that Fitz is much of a teacher or mentor.

Debbie Downer. Who pissed in your Cheerios LOL.

 

[Shane]

Debbie Downer. Who pissed in your Cheerios LOL.

 

[kerouac9]

"When the student is ready the teacher will appear"

That is more of a commentary on Chad Williams vice Fitz...

What evidence do you really have to support this other than you like Fitz and don’t like Williams?

Don't forget about Floyd pre alcohol.

Yes. Fitz was deeply invested in Floyd’s success and didn’t do anything to help him get better, including off the field stuff like dealing with the media.

 

[juza76]

What evidence do you really have to support this other than you like Fitz and don’t like Williams?



Yes. Fitz was deeply invested in Floyd’s success and didn’t do anything to help him get better, including off the field stuff like dealing with the media.

Yes the story about mentoring is funny, maybe as a rookie u can get some advices but then its all about you

Second why a great player should be able to be a good mentor, ok fitz is a classy and a very professional dude but this doesnt mean he can have the patience and touch to have an impact on young players
It's like when we take a look at great coaches, most of them werent good at football

Since Fitz is playing here do u remember any receivers who drastically improved their career under fitz wings
Maybe just breaston for a year but the others who showed something declined their level of play

 

[Finito]

I dunno Floyd was projected to be a star and an overall stud as an NFL WR.. His draft status warranted the hype to. He had one good season really so I can’t really say that with his natural talent and ability that Futz helped elevate his game any??

Nobody on earth projected him to be a star. He was like the 13th pick in the draft. Let’s not act like we gave up the farm to draft Julio Jones.

Floyd coming out had a solid skill set a do everything well move the chains type player no one thought he was a monster playmaker

 

[JeffGollin]

No one wanted him last week, now people want him. Things change fast and I wouldn’t trade up for him. Larry, Christian Kirk, Harry, and a late round speedster would make me very happy. Sit and wait and see what happens. He just might be there in round 2. Bosa and Harry as Best Player available in round 1 and 2 would be a dream come true

It's a matter of supply and demand. Cards faced the off-season needing more explosion and physicality from the WR position. Harry (a local hero) seemed to be low-hanging fruit

Here we are - after a new coaching staff and offensive philosophy and halfway thru the combine - and there appear to be at least a dozen big, dominant receivers who can bring it.

No knock on Harry - it's just that there are more options. (it wouldn't surprise me if Metcalf was off the board in the top10.

 

[Finito]

It's a matter of supply and demand. Cards faced the off-season needing more explosion and physicality from the WR position. Harry (a local hero) seemed to be low-hanging fruit

Here we are - after a new coaching staff and offensive philosophy and halfway thru the combine - and there appear to be at least a dozen big, dominant receivers who can bring it.

No knock on Harry - it's just that there are more options. (it wouldn't surprise me if Metcalf was off the board in the top10.

Metcalf is fools gold. Workout warrior

 

[Krangodnzr]

Metcalf is fools gold. Workout warrior

He produced when targeted.

 

[Finito]

He produced when targeted.

Metcalf
2016
2 receptions 13 yards
2017
39 receptions 649 yards
2018
26 receptions 569 yards

Harry
2016
58 receptions 659 yards
2017
82 receptions 1142 yards
2018
73 receptions 1088 yards

We have seen a million guys look amazing and blow up the combine but chances are if you didn’t produce in college your not gonna produce in the pros.

 

[The Kraken]

What evidence do you really have to support this other than you like Fitz and don’t like Williams?



Yes. Fitz was deeply invested in Floyd’s success and didn’t do anything to help him get better, including off the field stuff like dealing with the media.

My evidence is anecdotal, just like yours (since neither one of us are on the team)...

I thought this article was pretty enlightening, especially considering the subject:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/michael-floyd-cardinals-larry-fitzgerald

this was interesting as well:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/po...fluenced-by-larry-fitzgerald-on-off-the-field

But yeah... you are right, I am biased towards the 15-year pro, who is a first ballot HOF'er over a 3rd round project who has shown ZERO development, DESPITE having the one of the greatest "professional's professional" to model yourself after...

Fitz has been exceptional on and off the field on playoff teams, during the worst of times and everything in-between...

There are very few players that I would find worthy of praise that sounds hyperbolic, LF is that guy...

 

[Red Bird]

I kind of agree. But you could say he helped develop Steve Breaston into a serviceable WR. As well as Andre Roberts. Neither stars but had decent careers compared to what was expected of them. One could even say he had an impact on John Brown when he was actually healthy and able to play.

I LOVED Steve Breaston. Dude wasn't that big but would always take the big hit and hang onto the ball. Seriously underrated hands, and one of my all time favorite Cardinals.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Metcalf
2016
2 receptions 13 yards
2017
39 receptions 649 yards
2018
26 receptions 569 yards

Harry
2016
58 receptions 659 yards
2017
82 receptions 1142 yards
2018
73 receptions 1088 yards

We have seen a million guys look amazing and blow up the combine but chances are if you didn’t produce in college your not gonna produce in the pros.

He was the deep threat with AJ Brown and Demarkus Lodge as the chain movers.

Metcalf IS a gamble, but a decent one.

 

[DVontel]

I bet he won’t even be the best WR to come out of Ole Miss this draft. AJ Brown’s film is much better than DK’s.

The only routes that DK ran were a 9 or fade

AJ Brown ran about two routes at Ole Miss too. Same for Damarkus Lodge. Ole Miss' OC is awful. AJ Brown legit rarely faced pressed man in the slot, too. When he did, he struggled mightly.

 

[kerouac9]

My evidence is anecdotal, just like yours (since neither one of us are on the team)...

I thought this article was pretty enlightening, especially considering the subject:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/michael-floyd-cardinals-larry-fitzgerald

this was interesting as well:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/po...fluenced-by-larry-fitzgerald-on-off-the-field

But yeah... you are right, I am biased towards the 15-year pro, who is a first ballot HOF'er over a 3rd round project who has shown ZERO development, DESPITE having the one of the greatest "professional's professional" to model yourself after...

Fitz has been exceptional on and off the field on playoff teams, during the worst of times and everything in-between...

There are very few players that I would find worthy of praise that sounds hyperbolic, LF is that guy...

Does Fitz still do that summer camp? We haven't heard about it in a very long time. Can someone ask Darren Urban on Twitter?

I mean, this is all well and good, but I care more about on-the-field stuff:

One of the most important lesson Fitzgerald learned is how to present himself for the media.

"Like after the game ... make sure you're fully dressed because the public never sees you besides with your helmet on when they're watching," Fitzgerald said. "The only time they get to talk to you is when you're addressing the media. Be sharp, be buttoned up. Somebody might be home, some CEO of a company (might) say, 'You know what man? Not only is he a great football player, but he's well dressed, he's well spoken, I want him to serve as a sponsor for my company.' You never know.

"Things like that, I just try to talk to him about."

I feel like when you see quotes like "He likes to lead by example — he's not real vocal", then it means they're not much of a mentor.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Jetstream Green]

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So what you are saying is that if this was a Tudor electric football draft, he is consistent at going in a straight line and therefore makes him the best WR in the draft lol

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