Nash Might be Traded?

[pokerface]

I think there is one other thing that hasn't been discussed much. I don't think Kerr wants to hear about giving a lottery pick to The Thunder in the KT giveaway. IMO, this one one of the primary reasons the Suns want to make the playoffs next season. One can only imagine if Kerr potentially gave The Thunder the first pick (or a 2-3 pick) in the NBA draft next season. There would be so much criticism from Suns fans Kerr would be driven out of town. I want the Suns to get at least an 8th seed in the playoffs next year for this reason alone.

I can't argue that...it's a very valid point. But ultimately it's what is offered to the Suns which may be the deceiding factor.


Plus lets face it, if Amare is dealt Nash is even less needed (or desired) by the Suns.

 

[cly2tw]

Nash,Shaq and Amare aren't going anywhere. It's virtually inconceivable to trade these guys. Nothings going to happen to this aging roster over the summer because the SUNS are unable to move these guys without getting some crappy young players and old fat contracts in return....the SUNS have zero leverage and these guys have negative trade value. Nobody is interested in Nash...... and holding onto these old guys and their contracts is the best way to rebuild the team.
How do I know this?.....*Elindholm said so.

You must be registered for see images

We can all go home now, nothing to see here, move along.





* forgive me, i couldn't resist. No hard feelings.

 

[Mainstreet]

Plus lets face it, if Amare is dealt Nash is even less needed (or desired) by the Suns.

If this happens, the Suns are likely in rebuild mode and anything goes. Nash would probably want to leave anyway.

However, if the Suns could get back a young PF back and some picks for Amare, they might still make a run for the 8th seed. That pick traded to The Thunder in 2010 must be eating away at Kerr.

 

[pokerface]

If this happens, the Suns are likely in rebuild mode and anything goes. Nash would probably want to leave anyway.

However, if the Suns could get back a young PF back and some picks for Amare, they might still make a run for the 8th seed. That pick traded to The Thunder in 2010 must be eating away at Kerr.

Yeah that pick kinda gnaws at me...It takes any fun out of a good old fashioned tank job

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah that pick kinda gnaws at me...It takes any fun out of a good old fashioned tank job

 

[arwillan]

If it's Portland, I want Rodriguez and Fernandez in return somehow.

If it's Golden State, I want Azubuike as a filler with the deal obviously centered around someone else.

If it's Houston, I'd actually like Artest back. If McGrady's career could be saved by our staff, he wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

From New York it would have to be nate and a bunch of others.

 

[AsUdUdE]

If it's Portland, I want Rodriguez and Fernandez in return somehow.

If it's Golden State, I want Azubuike as a filler with the deal obviously centered around someone else.

If it's Houston, I'd actually like Artest back. If McGrady's career could be saved by our staff, he wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

From New York it would have to be nate and a bunch of others.

First as much as I would love OUR PICK BACK, unless that deal included Amare there is no way in hell Portland is giving up Fernandez...

And Artest will be a F.A. this year, so they won't be able to trade (unless ofcourse if it is some sort of sign and trade deal...)

Pass on Nate, he sucks.... now David Lee we can talk about!

with G.S. Nash and Barns (resigned) for Anthony Randolph and Biedrins... done deal

 

[Mainstreet]

If it's Houston, I'd actually like Artest back. If McGrady's career could be saved by our staff, he wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

You must really like pushing the envelope. No way I would touch these two.

 

[dodie53]

i think the suns will grab Rubio if they have a chance,
SSOL will continue even if nash gets trade or retires.

 

[mojorizen7]

You must really like pushing the envelope. No way I would touch these two.

I think Artest is much to good of a defensive player for this franchise to even consider bringing him in.
Building a team around Artest is foolish.....but it doesn't mean he can't be brought in to build around a philosophy of trying to stop people for a change.
Unfortunately i don't see that happening here.
This has always been an offensive minded town in terms of sports IMO.
Twood be a refreshing change, no doubt.
When was the last time there was a franchise among the big four that was built upon a defensive mentality or foundation?
SUNS? Never.
Cardinals? No.
D-Backs? Mmmmaybe.
Hell even when the Coyotes were relevant back in the 90's they were a team built around 3 offensive stars.
(sigh)
Sorry, not trying to steer the thread....just an observation.

 

[leclerc]

I saw this piece up on suns.com:

“I don’t think we can necessarily fill holes because I think our team within two or three years is going to look dramatically different because Steve, Shaq and Grant are all going to be moving on,” Kerr said. “I think the biggest thing - from the teams that I’ve been on - is a player’s character. You really know when you’ve got a guy who’s a pro and who wants to be great, who’s a good teammate, who works and those are the guys you want to make up your team."

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/lottery_090514.html

 

[AceP]

You must really like pushing the envelope. No way I would touch these two.

Not really. I think I know Houston best on this forum, since I'm a Chinese.

No one on earth should question T-Mac's talent as a basketball player. He is not old at all, just turns 30 by May 24th. His injury is not as bad as the one kept Amare out for a full season. Next season is his contract year, he will play his ass out to get a new multi-year contract, definitely the last big deal in his career. An 80% T-Mac is still a 20+5+5 force every night.

The real problem in Houston is, T-Mac does not have the necessary leadership, he is just not that type of person, neither is YAO. Here, we have Hill and Shaq as vocal leader and team captain, both of them T-Mac respects. Not long ago, he talked to media people about "if I had played alongside Shaq"...

T-Mac's final year contract is 23M, to make a deal, another big contract of us must be included. It has to be J.Rich, who plays the same position as T-Mac. And, they will give us a young PG, either Brooks or Lowry. It really looks like a decent deal for the Suns.

Positive points:

1. Another magic waiting to happen for our medical staffs.
2. Get rid of J.Rich's 28M 2 years contract, and his inconsistent play.
3. A young promising PG. Either of them. If you watched LAL vs HOU, you know they can be a solid starter in a championship team.
4. What to lose? T-Mac will be off the payroll by the end of season.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Artest is much to good of a defensive player for this franchise to even consider bringing him in.

Except for past baggage and salary, why wouldn't the Suns consider him if he were available. Artest has a well rounded game both on offense and defense. When Raja Bell first came to the Suns he brought along the same elements.

 

[elindholm]

Except for past baggage and salary, why wouldn't the Suns consider him if he were available.

Those are both deal-breakers, though. Even if you consider Artest reformed, the Suns can't offer him anything more than the MLE. He wants to stay in Houston, so a sign-and-trade is out, and they can outbid almost anyone.

 

[Duke of Oysters]

I think Artest is much to good of a defensive player for this franchise to even consider bringing him in.
Building a team around Artest is foolish.....but it doesn't mean he can't be brought in to build around a philosophy of trying to stop people for a change.
Unfortunately i don't see that happening here.
This has always been an offensive minded town in terms of sports IMO.
Twood be a refreshing change, no doubt.
When was the last time there was a franchise among the big four that was built upon a defensive mentality or foundation?
SUNS? Never.
Cardinals? No.
D-Backs? Mmmmaybe.
Hell even when the Coyotes were relevant back in the 90's they were a team built around 3 offensive stars.
(sigh)
Sorry, not trying to steer the thread....just an observation.

I don't follow the D'backs, Cardinals, or Coyotes as much but we did have some defensive-minded teams.

For the Cardinals, I would think adding Buddy Ryan as coach (even though the idea failed) would count as defense minded. And picking up Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling counts as serious defense-thinking for the Diamondbacks.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I'd rather have Yao than T-Mac. My biggest concern, besides the obviosu injury problems, is that T-Mac is not a very efficient player. He stagnates the offense and dominates the ball too much. He just doesn't play a winning style of basketball. Yao on the other hand does, and while he might not have the leadership skills of a guy like Nash or Shaq, he is a very smart and selfless player, and I think that this recent Lakers series proved his toughness.

 

[Sunburn]

I'd rather have Yao than T-Mac. My biggest concern, besides the obviosu injury problems, is that T-Mac is not a very efficient player. He stagnates the offense and dominates the ball too much. He just doesn't play a winning style of basketball. Yao on the other hand does, and while he might not have the leadership skills of a guy like Nash or Shaq, he is a very smart and selfish player, and I think that this recent Lakers series proved his toughness.

Huh?

 

[Mainstreet]

Huh?

I read somewhere that Yao was contemplating retirement even before the broken foot. I'm not sure if this was a rumor or it has some truth to it.

 

[mojorizen7]

I don't follow the D'backs, Cardinals, or Coyotes as much but we did have some defensive-minded teams.

For the Cardinals, I would think adding Buddy Ryan as coach (even though the idea failed) would count as defense minded. And picking up Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling counts as serious defense-thinking for the Diamondbacks.

I acknowledged the D-Backs, but as for the whole "You've got a winner in town!" Cardinals fiasco.....imo that hire was all about getting a head coach with a marquee name into the desert. Even so, when you look at the entire historical canvas of Arizona Pro sports teams, it seems to me that defense has never been the desired blueprint for building success.
What is it?.....One title(a team built around ace pitching and veteran fielding) in a combined 80 seasons(guestimate) among all four teams' time here in AZ?
Ouch.

 

[Covert Rain]

If the Suns get a good offer for Nash they should let him go. He wants a raise and to have a piss poor defender like Nash at your helm that is going to want more then 13 million per year is straight up ridiculous.

Nash is the biggest problem in the starting lineup from a defensive perspective.

 

[cly2tw]

If the Suns get a good offer for Nash they should let him go. He wants a raise and to have a piss poor defender like Nash at your helm that is going to want more then 13 million per year is straight up ridiculous.

Nash is the biggest problem in the starting lineup from a defensive perspective.

Why is it ridiculous? For what he is supposed to do for the franchise, and in particular for his cult like status with the fans, he'd be underpaid at the current 13mil per year.

Fact 1: Nash is the undisputed franchise player of the Suns

Fact 2: Suns management said he was the face and the franchise and they wanted to build around him.

Fact 3: Most importantly, as Nash fans repeatedly reminded us of, Suns can not win games without Nash.

He deserves a max contract for his value to the Suns!

 

[Covert Rain]

Why is it ridiculous? For what he is supposed to do for the franchise, and in particular for his cult like status with the fans, he'd be underpaid at the current 13mil per year.

Fact 1: Nash is the undisputed franchise player of the Suns

Fact 2: Suns management said he was the face and the franchise and they wanted to build around him.

Fact 3: Most importantly, as Nash fans repeatedly reminded us of, Suns can not win games without Nash.

He deserves a max contract for his value to the Suns!

You don't pay a player for what he has done for your franchise. You pay a player for what he can do for your franchise. Paying a 35 year old PG more then 13 million per season that only plays on one side of the ball does nothing but tie up cap space and guarantee your team will never play enough defense to get a title while he is here.

That's not the type of "face" I want for the Suns.

 

[cly2tw]

You don't pay a player for what he has done for your franchise. You pay a player for what he can do for your franchise. Paying a 35 year old PG more then 13 million per season that only plays on one side of the ball does nothing but tie up cap space and guarantee your team will never play enough defense to get a title while he is here.

That's not the type of "face" I want for the Suns.

Sorry that I forgot put on this:

 

[Covert Rain]

Sorry that I forgot put on this:

Ooops. I have been guilty of that myself from time to time.

 

[lou_skywalker]

Kerr said all the beautiful things about Nash a their face BEFORE he declared he wants more money. I am sure Kerr will now rethink their standpoint and whether they really want him as the face. It also depends if Sarver wants to spend more dollars on Nash. THey should definitely be actively looking for good deals, coz Nash can not stay here 4ever.