Nash Signs off on S&T? (If Needed)

[jlove]

New article posted by Vince Marotta stating Nash and the team have agreed that, IF Nash decides he wants to go elsewhere, they would do a S&T with the new team. That shows great character from Stave and the team. Obviously Steve loves the Suns enough to not go and leave them empty handed since they have stuck by him by not trading him.

http://arizonasports.com/41/1551113/Rum ... gnandtrade

 

[Absolute Zero]

New article posted by Vince Marotta stating Nash and the team have agreed that, IF Nash decides he wants to go elsewhere, they would do a S&T with the new team. That shows great character from Stave and the team. Obviously Steve loves the Suns enough to not go and leave them empty handed since they have stuck by him by not trading him.

http://arizonasports.com/41/1551113/Rum ... gnandtrade

With our luck this will be after the draft and we'll end up with a bunch of useless spare parts.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Translation: No one is signing Nash for the minimum or exception. Nash is going to make around 10 million this year with the Suns or without them.

 

[elindholm]

Obviously Steve loves the Suns enough to not go and leave them empty handed since they have stuck by him by not trading him.

Doesn't it really show that Nash would prefer to make more than MLE money while playing for a good team? Which is also okay, but not quite so altruistic.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think this is huge cause it may possibly eliminate teams like Miami, Brooklyn and Portland from the race for Nash unless the Nets wanna give up Brooks for him which seems doubtful.

Indiana, Toronto and NY seem to have the most to offer for the Suns. Indy can perhaps try something like Collison/Psycho-T/1st for Nash. Toronto can try Bayless/JJ. NY would have to give up Linsanity in a double sign & trade for Nash.

Atlanta and Chicago have some pieces as well with Teague and the Bulls with all those expiring contracts.

My bet is that Nash being the loyal star he always has been, will come up with a list of 5-10 teams that he wants to play for and will let Phoenix decide where to trade him to out of those teams. That way Nash gets to go try for a ring and it gives the Suns a lot of choices ensuring that he won't leave with Phoenix getting nothing in return.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think this is huge cause it may possibly eliminate teams like Miami, Brooklyn and Portland from the race for Nash unless the Nets wanna give up Brooks for him which seems doubtful.

Indiana, Toronto and NY seem to have the most to offer for the Suns. Indy can perhaps try something like Collison/Psycho-T/1st for Nash. Toronto can try Bayless/JJ. NY would have to give up Linsanity in a double sign & trade for Nash.

Atlanta and Chicago have some pieces as well with Teague and the Bulls with all those expiring contracts.

My bet is that Nash being the loyal star he always has been, will come up with a list of 5-10 teams that he wants to play for and will let Phoenix decide where to trade him to out of those teams. That way Nash gets to go try for a ring and it gives the Suns a lot of choices ensuring that he won't leave with Phoenix getting nothing in return.

Typically in S&Ts with guys who are not restricted free agents all you see the team getting in return is a draft pick.

I'd be happy with a late 1st rounder, its better than losing him for nothing.

 

[jlove]

I think this is huge cause it may possibly eliminate teams like Miami, Brooklyn and Portland from the race for Nash unless the Nets wanna give up Brooks for him which seems doubtful.

Indiana, Toronto and NY seem to have the most to offer for the Suns. Indy can perhaps try something like Collison/Psycho-T/1st for Nash. Toronto can try Bayless/JJ. NY would have to give up Linsanity in a double sign & trade for Nash.

Atlanta and Chicago have some pieces as well with Teague and the Bulls with all those expiring contracts.

My bet is that Nash being the loyal star he always has been, will come up with a list of 5-10 teams that he wants to play for and will let Phoenix decide where to trade him to out of those teams. That way Nash gets to go try for a ring and it gives the Suns a lot of choices ensuring that he won't leave with Phoenix getting nothing in return.

My original thoughts on teams and trades were something along these lines:

Nash S&T for Lin S&T/Smith/'13 1st & maybe Douglas
or
Nash S&T/Hill for Gay/Mayo or Gay/Speights or Gay/Conley

 

[sunsfan88]

NY can keep Smith and Douglas. They may be reluctant to add a 1st rd pick to the deal since their already trading Lin but yea.

Mayo and Hill are both UFA who won't be doing sign and trades. Hill may not even play next year. Memphis is high on Conley so who knows....and I don't think Phoenix FO will take on Gay and that huge deal.

But damn can you imagine how happy Sarver would be if Phoenix got Lin? Just from a marketing stand point that's MILLIONS poured into his bank account....

 

[Phrazbit]

you two are nuts.

 

[Cheesebeef]

no one's gonna give up anything of value for Nash once he's a FA.

 

[CardsFan88]

Even if we did a sign and trade people are forgetting a couple of things.

Having 2-7 million in cap space is like having 95 cents when you need a dollar burger to eat. So all we'll do is the following. Thus whoever we get back will screw up any chance of signing people this year, since we'll need to sign Nash (and have the cap space) to trade him. So we'd have room to sign a guy + whatever fillers we get from a Nash trade.

There's the possibility that we trade for a bunch of expiring contracts. (the kinds we trade picks to get rid of, but everyone else gets picks to trade away). Would we later package any of these FOR picks? Probably not. Of course the way we run I'll be hoping we don't TRADE AWAY picks to dump their salary despite the contracts being expiring.

There is of course a chance we might actually acquire a piece we can use for a few years, but no chance that piece is a franchise player. More like a Jason Richardson type of talent that we can use for a few years. That's our best case scenario for an actual player.

We'll also have a chance to get a pick. But since we trade them away most of the time, who says we'll even enjoy this benefit.

If Nash stays, we're a couple of years away from 15-25 win seasons. If Nash goes, that'll be next year.

Ohh don't forget guys Pizza Patron is giving away free pizzas from 5-8 today if you order it in Spanish. Pizza por favor. That's what I heard it's going to be, otherwise I'm screwed lol.

 

[asudevil83]

i hope that IF nash is gone, and we dont sign a big name FA (and i think there are 2 left) then the rest of this team follows in trades.

no point in keeping Gortat, as he'd be a FA by the time we are even playoff calibur. same goes for Dudley.

 

[tobiazz]

I hope the Suns can trade Nash for a sizable trade exception so that they can continue stockpiling flexibility.

 

[SunsTzu]

Typically in S&Ts with guys who are not restricted free agents all you see the team getting in return is a draft pick.

I'd be happy with a late 1st rounder, its better than losing him for nothing.

What the Suns get will be based on what they take back. If He's traded to a team with cap space they'd just get a trade exception and likely a 2nd round pick they never see.

Only way they get anything of tangible value is if they take back a bad contract.

 

[sunsfan88]

I can see the Suns taking on Calderon's contract from Toronto and perhaps sending Nash back to Canada for Davis and #8.

I know that seems really far fetched but Colangelo has already said their looking to deal their 1st rd pick for a vet and their fine with just having multiple 2nd rd picks.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/toronto-raptors-looking-to-trade-draft-picks

reports from the raptors citing willingness to use assets to bring in a more veteran mix of players, and or marquee player.
The bottomline is that Nash easily would make them imminently better than anyone else out there in free agency that they could hope to attain! Has a massive hometown following obviously.

As well as they'd be making money hand over fist in ticket and jersey sales alone. So this trade is seeming more and more realistic.

 

[Joe Mama]

What the Suns get will be based on what they take back. If He's traded to a team with cap space they'd just get a trade exception and likely a 2nd round pick they never see.

Only way they get anything of tangible value is if they take back a bad contract.

this.

 

[chickenhead]

I wouldn't mind seeing Nash come to Toronto for Calderon, and even though they'd obviously want him, I wonder if Toronto will be on his list, because they're not going to give him a shot at a championship. Also, I'm repeating myself, but the Canadian element is probably overplayed. He's from BC, went to Santa Clara, and played for Phoenix and Dallas. He's probably only been to Toronto for the most part when he was playing the Raptors.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This does several things. It allows Nash to get paid in order to go to the team of his choice. It allows the Suns to get something in return. It allows a team that is over the cap to bid for Nash. It is good for the Suns and Nash because it opens the market much, much wider.

Think Jeremy Lin in S&T for Nash. Orlando could give up a pick and a young player.

A sign & trade for Nash might be a better scenario than keeping him or letting him walk for nothing. I hope it works.

 

[JCSunsfan]

One thing is certain--at 38 Nash is a hot commodity free agent. Amazing. Cuban didn't think he would make it through his first contract with the Suns, let alone the extension.

If we can get something for Nash, this is the time to let him go. Time WILL catch up to him.

So, its really simple mechanics in order to make a s&t work,

1. It must be with a team where Steve would want to go.
2. The package coming back must include salaries of $8.5 million or more. The trade differential allows it to be as low as $8.5 but the Suns will have space, so they can take back more.
3. The package of players must be young interesting pieces or older expirings. But if older expirings, draft picks must be included or the Suns could just allow Nash to be the expiring.

Speculate away. Hoopshype has a pretty good listing of salaries.

NY: JLin and change for Nash
Brooklyn: DWill for Nash. Can't see this happening unless the Suns somehow convince DWill that this is where he wants to be. But then, if they do that, we could just let Nash walk. There is no point in a sign and trade.
ATL: Josh Smith for Nash.

Looks like that is about it.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I can't see any reason why NY would entertain a Nash trade except for maybe just for getting another big name to join the team. I can't see Melo and Nash coexisting from a basketball standpoint, and NY must know this from his short time overlapping with Lin. He wants the ball all the time and isn't an effective catch and shoot player.

 

[sunsfan88]

We can sacrifice our cap space and take on Calderon so that we can their 1st rd pick next year and maybe Ed Davis from Toronto.

Nash is a vet that can make huge difference to them on the court and off the court. He can immediately help JV transition his game to the NBA and make him better like he did with A'mare. Off the court, the Canadian is finally back in Toronto...imagine the $$ they make off ticket and jersey sales.

IMO it just makes too much sense.

 

[Waysouth]

Don't see Toronto giving up Davis in a trade deal but a Nash for Calderon + #8 would be about right. Sign Nash for 3/$30. Calderon makes $10.6 next year and then FA. Suns keep Calderon for one year then preserve cap space for 2013.

Remember Nash is the GM of Canada basketball which is headquartered in Toronto.

With the rest of the cap space I would even trade with Dallas for Lamar Odom + #17. Odom has 1 yr/$8.2 left on his contract and is then a FA. Gives Dallas space to sign Deron Williams.

Give me a draft of
#8 Perry Jones
#13 Kendall Marshall
#17 Dion Waiters

A high lottery pick in 2013; Shabaz Muhammed or Nerlens Noel

And possibly 2 FA in a 2013 class that includes:
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bynam
Al Jefferson
Josh Smith
Paul Milsap
David West
Monta Ellis
Chris Paul

The Suns could be rebuilt in 2013 after only one down year.

 

[carey]

Toronto can sign Nash outright. I haven't seen anyone on any message board that keeps proposing this trade give a reason why they would give up the #8 to rid themselves of one year of Calderon ($10M).

 

[sunsfan88]

Posted by someone on a different message board...what do you guys think?

Well, im not head over heels in love with the idea, but i think Chalmers would be a good pick up for us. From what i am hearing, Nash really wants to go to Miami. Yeah, i never thought that would be the case, but from what i am hearing, it is. Now we know that the FO has mentioned that if Nash does leave, we would be looking to S&T him. Miami really only has a few players that they could offer, and the main one is Chalmers.

When you watch the Finals tonight, keep an eye on him. He has been playing some excellent defense for Miami, and has been tasked with guarding Harden alot. He has 2 primary ball-handlers ahead of him, yet as a PG, still finds a way to have a positive impact on the game. He can hit the 3, and dribble penetrate. Awesome at playing the passing lanes and picking up a few steals.

Now if we are to get Rivers, i think even at SG his rookie season, he will end up being the primary ball-handler. So Chalmers would be playing a similar role to what he does now next to Wade. Actually, i think a better example is a few years back, when all Miami had was Wade.

So i think that Chalmers could end up being pretty good for us. Why spend a bunch of money on a FA PG, when you can pick one up for free in a Nash trade. If we grab a PG somewhere else, then what does Miami really have to offer us for Nash? Nothing.

 

[mojorizen7]

Posted by someone on a different message board...what do you guys think?

Where do i sign?