NBA All Time Starting 5 Suns

[Phrazbit]

But they did not and in the following years they choked and lost to one of the worst champions ever, Houston was not as a good a team and they lost twice to them even after being up what 3-1?

Fact is that Barkley joined a team that already was very close to contending and they only contended for 1 year with him.

... they lost to the NBA champion 3 straight years in series that went 6, 7 and 7 games and they "only contended for one year"? I'm well aware that you were not paying attention to the league back then but the Suns were absolutely contenders in those seasons, and if not for losing those leads they almost certainly would have won a title or 2.

What did the Suns do while Kidd was here? Oh yeah... nothing. In fact the ONLY year they got by the first round he missed the series.

 

[Chaplin]

For at least 2 of the Barkley years we were CLEARLY the best team in the NBA. Not arguably. Clearly.

 

[BC867]

For at least 2 of the Barkley years we were CLEARLY the best team in the NBA. Not arguably. Clearly.

You are referring to the regular season, I presume.

We were clearly not the best team in the NBA during his tenure or we would have trophies to show for it.

And all the alibis in the world wouldn't propel us to the category of the best team in the NBA.

However, I do feel (just my opinion) that Charles Barkley was a greater All Time Sun than Amar'e when you take everything into account. He also had a better Coach. Not the greatest ever, but better.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But they did not and in the following years they choked and lost to one of the worst champions ever, Houston was not as a good a team and they lost twice to them even after being up what 3-1?

Fact is that Barkley joined a team that already was very close to contending and they only contended for 1 year with him.

man... it's clear you weren't watching basketball back then. The Suns were complete and utter pretenders the two years prior to Barkley getting there. They got manhandled by a mediocre Jazz team in the first round in 1991 and got beat easily in 5 games in the second round in 1992.

They were basically the Jason Kidd Suns... nice mid 50's win record in the regular season and a complete joke in the playoffs. That is the FACT.

The other FACT is we immediately became the team to beat with Barkley, won a franchise record amount of games and then went to our 2nd Finals ever. The next two years, yes, we lost a 2-0 lead (NOT a 3-1 lead) and then a 3-1 lead... and it's easy to just say they "choked"... especially if you didn't watch the team back then. But people that DID watch the team remember that Barkley completely screwed his back up in the first Houston series and ended up having BACK SURGERY after the season... and then screwed up his knee in Game 6 of the second Houston series, necessitating ANOTHER knee surgery after the season. Anyone who watched those Game 7s remembers painfully watching Barkley drag himself up and down the court.

To say we weren't "contending" those years is ridiculous. They lost to the eventual champions because Barkley got injured. And if we're just going by they lost in the 2nd round, well, so did the '07 Suns team.

 

[TJ]

Amare C
Barkley PF
W Davis SF
Majerle SG
Nash PG

Winner

 

[slinslin]

man... it's clear you weren't watching basketball back then. The Suns were complete and utter pretenders the two years prior to Barkley getting there. They got manhandled by a mediocre Jazz team in the first round in 1991 and got beat easily in 5 games in the second round in 1992.

They were basically the Jason Kidd Suns... nice mid 50's win record in the regular season and a complete joke in the playoffs. That is the FACT.

The other FACT is we immediately became the team to beat with Barkley, won a franchise record amount of games and then went to our 2nd Finals ever. The next two years, yes, we lost a 2-0 lead (NOT a 3-1 lead) and then a 3-1 lead... and it's easy to just say they "choked"... especially if you didn't watch the team back then. But people that DID watch the team remember that Barkley completely screwed his back up in the first Houston series and ended up having BACK SURGERY after the season... and then screwed up his knee in Game 6 of the second Houston series, necessitating ANOTHER knee surgery after the season. Anyone who watched those Game 7s remembers painfully watching Barkley drag himself up and down the court.

To say we weren't "contending" those years is ridiculous. They lost to the eventual champions because Barkley got injured. And if we're just going by they lost in the 2nd round, well, so did the '07 Suns team.

from 88-92 the Suns won 5 playoff rounds and made the WCF twice.

from 92-96 the Suns won 5 playoff rounnds, made the finals once and other than that only beat teams in the first round twice

Always a joy proving you wrong.

 

[Phrazbit]

from 88-92 the Suns won 5 playoff rounds and made the WCF twice.

from 92-96 the Suns won 5 playoff rounnds, made the finals once and other than that only beat teams in the first round twice

Always a joy proving you wrong.

........ You have no perspective whatsoever. You've been wrong before, but comparing the "contender" status from 88-92 to the Barkley teams is utterly laughable.

And come on, even you should realize its not always about when you lose. The best Nash Suns team was probably the 06-07 team, but they didn't get out of the second round, 3 other teams went further but that 07 team was probably the best of the bunch.

In each of Barkley's first 3 years those Suns teams rank among the best in franchise history and were probably the second strongest playoff team in each of those seasons.

 

[slinslin]

And everytime they choked and lost despite being regarded as the favorites.

When did the Nash Suns lose to a team they were expected to beat?

The fact is that the impact of Barkley in terms of team success was minimal.

 

[Milgod]

from 88-92 the Suns won 5 playoff rounds and made the WCF twice.

from 92-96 the Suns won 5 playoff rounnds, made the finals once and other than that only beat teams in the first round twice

Always a joy proving you wrong.

The old slinslin classic. Hides behind numbers. You should actually try watching sport. You might learn something.

 

[Phrazbit]

And everytime they choked and lost despite being regarded as the favorites.

When did the Nash Suns lose to a team they were expected to beat?

The fact is that the impact of Barkley in terms of team success was minimal.

So, you argue that they were a favorite (but only so you can turn around and say they choked), at the same time as claiming they didn't contend AND that his impact was minimal.

Whatever slin. I'm not holding against Nash, he is the all-time #1 for the Suns. But thinking Barkley does not belong and that someone like Kidd, who did nothing does, is comical. Where are all of these "success and impact" arguments in your support of Jason Kidd's status as a franchise great?

Oh, and your entire argument for Houston being this terrible champion is based on them sleepwalking through the regular season during their title defense, then kicking into gear once the playoffs started... and Drexler, who missed most of the regular season, got healthy. But, again, I'm sure you ignore all of those factors, or are otherwise totally ignorant to them so you can continue to make blanket statements and nonsensical arguments.

I suspect you're the only person on this earth who would say that Barkley and Kidd are even remotely comparable as members of the Suns franchise. I suspect even Jason Kidd himself would find that to be an absurd proposition.

 

[slinslin]

Show me where I said they did not contend.

Also show me where I said Barkley did not belong. I said the starting 5 was a no-brainer. But Barkley is less of a shoe-in than Amare.

 

[Covert Rain]

Show me where I said they did not contend.

Also show me where I said Barkley did not belong. I said the starting 5 was a no-brainer. But Barkley is less of a shoe-in than Amare.

Which pretty much demonstrates a lack of logical thought process on your part. That statement alone makes people not want to take you seriously. It's just more slinslin fan fodder for the players you like. There is long history of that by you here.

 

[Phrazbit]

Show me where I said they did not contend.

Also show me where I said Barkley did not belong. I said the starting 5 was a no-brainer. But Barkley is less of a shoe-in than Amare.

lol, really? You said they only contended on "1 year" while he was here, you said Barkley "would be the first to drop off the list." And we just recently had a debate where you hilariously pimped Kidd as an all-time Sun over him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

from 88-92 the Suns won 5 playoff rounds and made the WCF twice.

from 92-96 the Suns won 5 playoff rounnds, made the finals once and other than that only beat teams in the first round twice

Always a joy proving you wrong.

from 88-90, the Suns won 4 playoff rounds, while Chambers was still in his prime. Once he went downhill, they were a complete pretender and won 1 playoff round... you know... the TWO YEARS prior to Barkley getting there. Pretending that the 88-90 Suns and the 90-92 were the same team is laughable and anyone who watched the team back then would know that.

But hey... what's facts when you can just completely ignore them and widen your argument because you're initial statement was patently false.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Which pretty much demonstrates a lack of logical thought process on your part. That statement alone makes people not want to take you seriously. It's just more slinslin fan fodder for the players you like. There is long history of that by you here.

Magic Johnson wasn't a PG.

Bottom line is Slin didn't watch those teams, didn't live in Phoenix and literally has no clue how much of an impact Barkley made on the Valley and in the NBA during those years.

 

[Phrazbit]

Magic Johnson wasn't a PG.

Bottom line is Slin didn't watch those teams, didn't live in Phoenix and literally has no clue how much of an impact Barkley made on the Valley and in the NBA during those years.

That is the biggie. The Barkley Suns eclipse even Nash's teams in that regard. Even the Cards Superbowl run pales compared to attention those teams garnered in the playoffs.

I doubt Phoenix will ever adore a team again like they did those teams, especially the 1993 run.

 

[BC867]

Magic Johnson wasn't a PG.

I am curious if you think anyone else was the lead PG when he was on the court (other than the game when he subbed for Kareem in the playoffs) and, if so, who.

Someone ran the Laker offense and that was Earvin Johnson. Even after his shot-put 3 point shots became dependable.

The fact that he guarded our lightweight Center Alvan Adams on defense doesn't change that he was the PG on offense. On defense, Magic guarded Center and everyone else moved down one position to outmuscle them.

 

[Mainstreet]

Magic was a PG. No doubt about it. Even his stats prove it.

Yes, he could play any position on the court but his true position was PG. I've seen him beat the Suns too many times with his passing.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma02.html

 

[Phrazbit]

Cheese was being facetious.

 

[95pro]

Slin once said Magic wasn't a pg. Cheese was messin.

 

[GatorAZ]

Can't believe the Suns won game 1-2 IN Houston and ended up losing the series. Has that ever happened before where the road team goes up 2-0 on the road and loses?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Can't believe the Suns won game 1-2 IN Houston and ended up losing the series. Has that ever happened before where the road team goes up 2-0 on the road and loses?

the T-Mac Rockets lost the same way against the Mavs back in the day.

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

Seems like we did this in another thread, and I can't remember who I picked!

So I will wing it and probably come up with a different 5:


Charles Barkley

Walter Davis

Alvin Adams

Steve Nash

Paul Westphal