NBA may crack down on floppers

[Mr.Dibbs]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/...lt=AiAn10fCjYTG8UicdbH5vVW8vLYF?urn=nba,25949

NBA Rumors NBA may crack down on floppers
Wednesday, Mar 7, 2007 12:48 pm EST

Getty Images
Ever attend an NBA game and get the feeling that a European soccer match has broken out? Bodies are flying everywhere these days, and many close to the game feel the players on the floor deserve an Oscar, not help getting up.

"It's absolutely destroying the game with guys just falling down trying to get calls," said Orlando Magic coach Brian Hill on the topic of flopping.

The NBA is considering giving referees the option of whistling players for technical fouls if they deem that a player has flopped in an attempt to get a call. Houston Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy favors fines or suspensions for offenders.


Source: Florida Today

 

[azirish]

I don't think there will be much movement about flopping until the NBA deals with the inconsistency of the way calls are made. Incidental contact gets called while utter muggings aren't. This lack of consistency all but forces some players to exaggerate contact to "force" the refs to call it, but it is easily abused.

The biggest problem with flopping comes when players use their "uncontrolled" falls as a way to run into opponents and in some cases hurt them. The second biggest problem is when guys can generate bogus fouls when there was no contact. It really cheapens the game.

Clearly there is a scale between slight exaggeration of real contact and massive reaction to incidential contact. I'm not sure how this can be solved, but it does present a real problem

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

They should just not call as many fouls around the board (flops including). A technical seems excessive.

 

[TheHopToad]

It's really an unnecessary rule.

This "rule change" would require that the referees be able to distinguish the acting job, or "flop" from a legitimate foul. If they can, then they should be making that determination now anyway and simply not calling fouls on plays where they deem a flop has occurred.

Sometimes the best thing is a simple no-call and just let the boys play. After a while, the floppers would get the hint that it isn't working.

 

[Lorenzo]

It's really an unnecessary rule.

This "rule change" would require that the referees be able to distinguish the acting job, or "flop" from a legitimate foul. If they can, then they should be making that determination now anyway and simply not calling fouls on plays where they deem a flop has occurred.

Sometimes the best thing is a simple no-call and just let the boys play. After a while, the floppers would get the hint that it isn't working.

I agree totally. adding this rule would just make things more complex for the refs who already have too much on their plate. Start letting flops go uncalled or give the benefit of doubt to the offensive player......and the floppers may stop wasting their energy. Right now it's part of the game and clever players are going to find a way to take advantage. That flopping rule doesn't do too well in soccer either and is rarely able to be enforced.

 

[cly2tw]

In today's Heat win vs. Bulls, Posey drew 6 offensive fouls. I thought two of them were due to excessive flopping: There were body contact but the offensive players were already trying to stop and/or changing directions, and in addition the impact were certainly not strong enough that Posey had to fall down the way he did. It should have been 2 no calls.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

In today's Heat win vs. Bulls, Posey drew 6 offensive fouls. I thought two of them were due to excessive flopping: There were body contact but the offensive players were already trying to stop and/or changing directions, and in addition the impact were certainly not strong enough that Posey had to fall down the way he did. It should have been 2 no calls.

Yeah. The solution should just be to not call as many charges, and the players will punish themselves by removing themselves from the play by falling down. The league doesn't need even more power in the hands of the refs.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Well there's defensive flopping to get the charge, and offensive flopping to get free throws. I'm not sure which is worse but offensive flopping would be much harder to call objectively in my mind.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Well there's defensive flopping to get the charge, and offensive flopping to get free throws. I'm not sure which is worse but offensive flopping would be much harder to call objectively in my mind.

and is proven much more likely to cause injury.

 

[boisesuns]

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
flop /flɒp/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[flop] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

verb, flopped, flop·ping, noun
–verb (used without object)
1. to fall or plump down suddenly, esp. with noise; drop or turn with a sudden bump or thud (sometimes fol. by down): The puppy flopped down on the couch.
2. to change suddenly, as from one side or party to another (often fol. by over).
3. to be a complete failure; fail: The play flopped dismally.
4. Informal. to sleep or be lodged: to flop at a friend's house.
5. to swing loosely; bounce; flap: His long hair flops in his eyes when he runs.
–verb (used with object) 6. to drop with a sudden bump or thud: He flopped his books on a chair.
7. to dispose (oneself) in a heavily negligent manner: to flop oneself in a chair.
8. to invert (the negative of a photograph) so that the right and left sides are transposed.
–noun 9. an act of flopping.
10. the sound of flopping; a thud.
11. a failure: The new comedy was a flop.
12. Informal. a place to sleep; temporary lodging: The mission offered a flop and a free breakfast.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Origin: 1595–1605; 1890–95 for def. 11; var. of flap]

—Related forms
flopper, noun (See Photo Below)


—Synonyms 11. Divac, Stockton.

You must be registered for see images

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Solution:

Simple no-calls on perceived flops. The team suffers because now it's 5-on-4 and since most flops happen right under the basket, the offensive player gets an open shot....

If the perceived flop results in the offensive player falling down and missing the shot, team is awarded 2 free throws....

If the perceived flopper flops into another player, foul is called and treated as a Flagrant 1, regardless of intent or lack of injury....

 

[Phxchris1989]

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
flop /flɒp/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[flop] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

verb, flopped, flop·ping, noun
–verb (used without object)
1. to fall or plump down suddenly, esp. with noise; drop or turn with a sudden bump or thud (sometimes fol. by down): The puppy flopped down on the couch.
2. to change suddenly, as from one side or party to another (often fol. by over).
3. to be a complete failure; fail: The play flopped dismally.
4. Informal. to sleep or be lodged: to flop at a friend's house.
5. to swing loosely; bounce; flap: His long hair flops in his eyes when he runs.
–verb (used with object) 6. to drop with a sudden bump or thud: He flopped his books on a chair.
7. to dispose (oneself) in a heavily negligent manner: to flop oneself in a chair.
8. to invert (the negative of a photograph) so that the right and left sides are transposed.
–noun 9. an act of flopping.
10. the sound of flopping; a thud.
11. a failure: The new comedy was a flop.
12. Informal. a place to sleep; temporary lodging: The mission offered a flop and a free breakfast.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Origin: 1595–1605; 1890–95 for def. 11; var. of flap]

—Related forms
flopper, noun (See Photo Below)


—Synonyms 11. Divac, Stockton.

You must be registered for see images

Zing!

 

[Scot1]

Yeah. The solution should just be to not call as many charges, and the players will punish themselves by removing themselves from the play by falling down. The league doesn't need even more power in the hands of the refs.

ODM (hope that's OK) is absolutely right. If the refs call a flop an offensive foul now, that means they are not going to notice that it's intentional flopping, so the players that get the calls now will certainly not get penalized till the refs decide to stop rewarding constant floppers. Changing the rules won't help if the refs could control it within the current framework of rules, and won't.

 

[Lorenzo]

Zing!

notice the pic didn't show his hands.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

ODM (hope that's OK) is absolutely right. If the refs call a flop an offensive foul now, that means they are not going to notice that it's intentional flopping, so the players that get the calls now will certainly not get penalized till the refs decide to stop rewarding constant floppers. Changing the rules won't help if the refs could control it within the current framework of rules, and won't.

The solution is someone like Lebron ( in star stature) needs to get a knee blown out from a flop, and I bet you the NBA will crack down like no tomorrow.

See the NFL with QB late hits, same deal.

 

[Lorenzo]

The solution is someone like Lebron ( in star stature) needs to get a knee blown out from a flop, and I bet you the NBA will crack down like no tomorrow.

See the NFL with QB late hits, same deal.

i would love to watch a suns/spurs series. let raja and manu guard each other the whole time. I'll go to us airways to see that. let the flops go uncalled!

 

[Covert Rain]

It's funy that Steve leads the team in taking charges and yet he is not considered a flopper or a good defensive player. Raja on the other hand is considered by some a flopper. At least in Raja's defense, he can guard guys without flopping unlike MG.

 

[azirish]

Most people look at the degree of overacting when viewing someone as a flopper. Ironicallly, Nash's small size makes accusations of flopping unusuall because he takes a lot of contact on a small frame.

BTW, Nash's defensive problems are strictly a function of his size and limited quickness. He's short, light, and cannot stay in front of guys like Tony Paker. He cannot really fight through screens, which limits his ability to stop great shooters.

On the flip side, he tries hard, he plays the passing lanes well, takes charges, and is underrated in bringing double teams.

 

[Lorenzo]

It's funy that Steve leads the team in taking charges and yet he is not considered a flopper or a good defensive player. Raja on the other hand is considered by some a flopper. At least in Raja's defense, he can guard guys without flopping unlike MG.

most of the suns fans are mad about ginobli's offensive antics. There is no debating that arguement......i've already tried. flopping is a big part of raja's defensive style......not that he looks to do it all the time. Remember bell was in dallas too a couple of years ago, he was our flopper then. I actually think ginobli, like most of the other spurs, is a good defender. flopping or no flopping.
I guess he got a taste of his own medicine when he blocked kobe's shot a few weeks ago.

 

[Lorenzo]

Most people look at the degree of overacting when viewing someone as a flopper. Ironicallly, Nash's small size makes accusations of flopping unusuall because he takes a lot of contact on a small frame.

BTW, Nash's defensive problems are strictly a function of his size and limited quickness. He's short, light, and cannot stay in front of guys like Tony Paker. He cannot really fight through screens, which limits his ability to stop great shooters.

On the flip side, he tries hard, he plays the passing lanes well, takes charges, and is underrated in bringing double teams.

i remember vlade calling out stockton for being a flopper.
almost every team has a guy that tries to perfect the art. You can't blame them because they are just doing what the nba lets them get away with.

 

[Covert Rain]

most of the suns fans are mad about ginobli's offensive antics. There is no debating that arguement......i've already tried. flopping is a big part of raja's defensive style......not that he looks to do it all the time. Remember bell was in dallas too a couple of years ago, he was our flopper then. I actually think ginobli, like most of the other spurs, is a good defender. flopping or no flopping.
I guess he got a taste of his own medicine when he blocked kobe's shot a few weeks ago.

Raja is known to flop but not on a MG level. Nobody is on that level. Where I think MG is known to be a flopper who can play defense...Raja is a defender who also like to flop. Big difference IMO.

 

[Lorenzo]

Raja is known to flop but not on a MG level. Nobody is on that level. Where I think MG is known to be a flopper who can play defense...Raja is a defender who also like to flop. Big difference IMO.

that may be true. but i think manu is better at both ends of the court.

 

[Covert Rain]

that may be true. but i think manu is better at both ends of the court.

Your on crack then. Offensively yes but defensively? Please.

 

[azirish]

that may be true. but i think manu is better at both ends of the court.

Manu is clearly the superior offensive player, but I dispute whether he's the better defender. Raja is effectrive without a Tim Duncant shot blocker backing him up - a huge difference.

In any case, the question is whether Manu is major flopper: ie flops with little or no contact. Is there any real doubt that the answer is "yes"?

 

[Lorenzo]

Your on crack then. Offensively yes but defensively? Please.

I'd take him at both ends of the court because he is also a good defender. A spurs fan would say manu is a better one. Whether he is better than bell......that can't be proven. just because bell is the best perimeter defender on the suns.....that doesn't make him so much better than ginobli. duncan is a force, but as a whole the spurs seem to have good defensive players across the board.