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Draft Buzz 4/29/04
By Aran Smith

Can Shaun Livingston Go First?

He's far from being NBA ready. His body is somewhat similar to where Tayshawn Prince's was about halfway through college. And he is still inconsistent. But he's the player in this draft with the most upside.

Size is the most highly prized commodity in the NBA. But players who make their teammates better might be at an even higher premium. When you have a legitimate PG at 6-7 that makes everyone around him better, the sky is truly the limit. There are maybe 3-5 (at most) players in the NBA with the creativity, vision and passing ability of Livingston.

Odds are the team that ends up with the top pick will be too gun shy to take the risk, as Okafor and Howard have size and the surefire factor over him. Though no one in this draft is a surefire star, Okafor will, at the very least, be very good, and a difference maker defensively.

We have received solid word that the Bobcats would take Livingston if he is at their pick at 4. And some even claim they have guarunteed him.

But Livingston supposedly doesn't want to play for the expansion franchise. So could getting into the top 3 picks factor into his decision to enter the draft?

The latest rumor swirling around is that Livingston is again considering going to Duke next year. Coach K was recently in Peoria making his pitch for Livingston to attend Duke next season.

By most accounts Livingston is giving it some thought, but in the end look for Livingston to enter his name in the draft and be a top 3 pick.
Pavel Injured

The past mock update saw Pavel drop eleven spots from six to seventeen. So what happened?

Two things. First, he had a hand injury which will knock him out of action for roughly a month.

Second, we got ahold of a tape of Pavel playing at the Rimini U-18 junior championships.

Pavel definitely has some nice shooting skills and towers over the competition, but he's realistically closer to 7-3 than 7-5 and though he moves well and has great strength. It's apparent he doesn't have the reaction timing to become a great shot blocker or a big defensive presence despite the size.

Granted he had one of the greatest workouts ever in front of the entire NBA last summer in Chicago. (Being described as looking like a 7-5 Bob Cousy).

He isn't "Pavelstein" as one jokester quipped. However, he is somewhat lumbering moving around the court, and doesn't appear to have much of a court sense.

When the draft rolls around, the biggest factor will be his pituitary gland disorder, which he is currently taking pills for. Can he get clearance to play in the NBA without having surgery?

He supposedly pulled out of the draft to have the surgery but then decided against it when it became apparent that the Euro league wouldn't allow him to play and take the necessary medication that would be required after the surgery.

On the court he's a real character showing anamation when he disagrees with calls, and he's got a good work ethic, which will make him succesful if his health doesn't limit him.

Talentwise Pavel is definitely a top 10 talent, but with the condition he'll likely slip. How far will remain to be seen.

Warrick Back to Syracuse

Hakim Warrick has announced that he will return to Syracuse for his senior season.

While Warrick was likely to get into the first round. He was not going to get into the lottery. And another season at Syracuse could vault his stock into just that. Especially if he's able to put on weight and show some added development to his game.

He has a body and game that have a lot of intrigue, but could a season of non-progression knock him out of the first round next year? Probably not.

Time will tell. The fact that he's such an active body and has such athleticism should definitely get him into the mid first round next year.

More Buzz

Brazilian power forward Tiago Splitter recently declared for the draft. Splitter's agent Herb Rudoy told NBADraft.net he will likely leave him in regardless of where he's projected. But look for Rudoy and Splitter to try to get a promise in the lottery or pull out of the draft. A lot will likely depend on how well Splitter can settle the buyout with his current team Tau Ceramica. Obviously the higher he goes, the more likely he'll be able to stay in.

LSU power forward Brandon Bass has put his name in the draft. He is a beast under the basket, however at a shade over 6-7 his chances of being drafted are slim. Believe it or not it's possible for players to actually hurt their future draft chances by declaring early and pulling out.

Roko-Leni Ukic has a lot of intruige to teams in the middle to late first round, but teams wish he had a more solid situation in Europe. A number of teams that could use a point guard in the early twenties would be a lot more likely to take Ukic, with the idea of leaving him in Europe for a couple seasons to develop, if not for some drawbacks.

The problem is his current situation with Croatian team Split is a bad one, and there are questions whther he will get stuck there and not be able to progress. If an NBA team could broker some type of deal with another European team to come in and give him minutes in the right situation, he could progress like Milos Vujanic in a couple years and be ready to come into the NBA and be a factor. However with his current situation, his draft status is less clear.


Power Forward Rankings

Emeka Okafor 6-9 252 PF UConn Jr. -- Doesn't have as high a ceiling as Howard, but with the added three years of development and having led his team to a national champioship, plus being as solid a character guy as you will find, it will be tough to find a team that will pick Howard over him. Okafor will be a difference maker defensively, a top notch rebounder, and should develop into a decent scorer.


Dwight Howard 6-10 240 PF Atlanta, GA HSSr. -- If Howard had more of a killer instinct, he would be first on this list. However, too many players never reach their potential, and unless he finds the fire within, he'll likely be a player capable of being incredible, but never quite getting there. Kwame Brown is an accurate comparison, as both guys were guards that had a late growth spurt but retained their guard skills. And like Kwame, Dwight is a nice kid, but can forget to flip the switch and get nasty on the court. Brown is on his way to Jermaine O'Neal type stardom, and Howard could do the same.


Andris Biedrins 6-10 240 PF/C (Latvia) 1986 -- He's one of the most athletic European prospects ever. He has a motor that doesn't quit. But he's a long term project and could be hurt by Milicic's failure to live up to expectations this season. Biedrins played last year at the Big Time tournament in Las Vegas and was one of the top talents there (Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Josh Smith were all there). He blocks shots and gets to the rim quicker than many NBA players, and will only improve with added strength and maturity.


Tiago Splitter 7-0 236 PF (Brazil) 1985 -- Has a lot of potential, but did not recieve much playing this past year. There are question marks surrounding his buy out. He also has a bit of a finesse game reputation. So gaining upper body strength and toughness is key. Looks a lot like Gasol body wise and the way he moves, however don't be fooled, he's not Gasol, neither with the length, toughness, or skills. But he has a nice future, and might have a better natural shooting touch than Gasol.


Al Jefferson 6-9 250 PF Prentiss, MS HSSr. He's "country strong" but some wonder if he's just further developed than everyone else. Everyone complains that the high school kids aren't strong enough, but then when one is, he is discredited for being an early development case. Whatever the case, Jefferson is a beast, and will be able to use his strength well on the next level. His numbers may have been inflated due to lesser competition to an extent, but he showed that he has the fire to put up those numbers. Optimists look for Jefferson to be an Antonio Davis type of beast under the boards.
 

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In considering the upcoming draft, if we do not do well in the lottery does anyone think Boston might be interested in unloading a couple of their three first round picks for our number 7 pick?

The reason I'm bring this up, if we could get say Boston's #15 and one of their #24 or #25 picks then the Suns hopefully could use a pick like #25 and a player (perhaps Jacobsen) to move Eisley to the Bobcats or another team.

I still think the Suns could do well at the 15th slot and Eisley's salary would no longer be a problem.
 
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Mainstreet said:
In considering the upcoming draft, if we do not do well in the lottery does anyone think Boston might be interested in unloading a couple of their three first round picks for our number 7 pick?

The reason I'm bring this up, if we could get say Boston's #15 and one of their #24 or #25 picks then the Suns hopefully could use a pick like #25 and a player (perhaps Jacobsen) to move Eisley to the Bobcats or another team.

I still think the Suns could do well at the 15th slot and Eisley's salary would no longer be a problem.

I think that a trade for some the Celtics picks might be workable. One reason is that it would give the Suns a pick to give San Antonio in completion of the Barbosa deal. This would free up the Suns future picks to be included in trades. As it stands right now, the Suns could not do a deal like they did to get Hardaway which included three first round draft picks over three years.
 

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I'm glad you agree George and I wasn't even looking at it from the aspect of paying San Antonio back for the Barbosa pick (so we can use our future picks in a trade).

Overall I think draft picks are a very valuable commodity in either acquiring a player in the draft or as trade bait. If possible I would like to hold onto Cleveland's future first round pick... maybe available next year if they make the playoffs.
 
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I doubt the San Antonio Spurs would be willing to take one of the Celtics draft picks. If so, they would surely want the best one. They are entitled to the Phoenix Suns draft pick, so they don't have to accept one of Boston's.

Not even the #7 draft pick will be enough to get rid of Howard Eiseley. I'm not even sure winning one of the top three would be enough to get it done.

Chris, does this article make you feel any differently about Pavel?

This is nothing short of obvious, but I think if the Phoenix Suns pick at #7 they will take one of the following players.

Biedrinis
Ramos
Perovic
Ben Gordon
Devin Harris
Josh Smith
Andre Iguodala
Predrag Samardziski

I would like to know what the rules are for drafting a player and keeping him playing international basketball. Does he account against the salary cap? If the player wants to come to the NBA can team keep him on hold in the international leagues?

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George O'Brien said:
I think that a trade for some the Celtics picks might be workable. One reason is that it would give the Suns a pick to give San Antonio in completion of the Barbosa deal. This would free up the Suns future picks to be included in trades. As it stands right now, the Suns could not do a deal like they did to get Hardaway which included three first round draft picks over three years.


yea george we all saw how well that deal turned out. lets run out and see if we can get another couple of injury plagued players signed to log term max contract that hamstring this team for years to come. that is right folks lets get both t-mac and kobe and start them off as this teams next great injured players call them googs and penny jr :D
 

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Joe,

I think you are wrong about the pick owed to San Antonio........
The Suns owe the spurs a pick that is below 20th and if they want to give them one of Bostons pick, I believe they have to accept it.

There have been many picks paid back that were obtained from other teams.

Also, Any player that is picked in the draft and stays oversees, does not count against the salary cap.

:)
 
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sunsfn said:
Joe,

I think you are wrong about the pick owed to San Antonio........
The Suns owe the spurs a pick that is below 20th and if they want to give them one of Bostons pick, I believe they have to accept it.

There have been many picks paid back that were obtained from other teams.

Also, Any player that is picked in the draft and stays oversees, does not count against the salary cap.

:)
I've always understood that it was the any draft pick. The Suns would not be forced to give a pick that was before the protection position, but they could give any pick if the Suns choose.

I asked about the Euro contract situation such as for Delfino whose rights are owned by the Pistons. I've had the impression that these contracts do not count for luxury tax purposes, but do count when determining available cap space in the year they are drafted.

yea george we all saw how well that deal turned out. lets run out and see if we can get another couple of injury plagued players signed to log term max contract that hamstring this team for years to come. that is right folks lets get both t-mac and kobe and start them off as this teams next great injured players call them googs and penny jr

I'm not saying the Suns SHOULD make that kind of deal, but it is not out of the question that Orlando might accept future draft picks in a deal for T-Mac.
 

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George O'Brien said:
I've always understood that it was the any draft pick. The Suns would not be forced to give a pick that was before the protection position, but they could give any pick if the Suns choose.

I remember it being expressly said that it was top-20 protected until 2010 or something.
 

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Joe Mama said:
Biedrinis
Ramos
Perovic
Ben Gordon
Devin Harris
Josh Smith
Andre Iguodala
Predrag Samardziski

Joe Mama

Gee, don't go out on any limbs or anything Joe... :rolleyes: :D
 
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Joe Mama said:
This is nothing short of obvious, but I think if the Phoenix Suns pick at #7 they will take one of the following players.

Biedrinis
Ramos
Perovic
Ben Gordon
Devin Harris
Josh Smith
Andre Iguodala
Predrag Samardziski

Joe Mama

Assuming that Okafor, Howard, Deng, and Livingston are gone; this is an OK list.

From the mock drafts I've seen so far, it looks like Jsoh Smith is dropping. His peformance at the all star games did not turn heads like JR did - although JR is not generally seen as a lottery pick.

Ramos is rated from top five to middle second round (nbadraft.net) and everywhere in between.

I haven't seen Samardziski rated as a lottery pick, but like Perovic he might jump with some strong workouts.
 

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I'm almost positive trading future draft picks does not work like that. The Phoenix Suns should be able to give San Antonio their own draft pick at any time to satisfy the trade. However if they want to use some other acquired draft pick it would have to be accepted by San Antonio. Basically the Spurs traded for the Phoenix Suns future draft pick. They did not trade for just any pick that satisfies the restrictions.


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Joe Mama said:
I'm almost positive trading future draft picks does not work like that. The Phoenix Suns should be able to give San Antonio their own draft pick at any time to satisfy the trade. However if they want to use some other acquired draft pick it would have to be accepted by San Antonio. Basically the Spurs traded for the Phoenix Suns future draft pick. They did not trade for just any pick that satisfies the restrictions.

Joe Mama

If you are right, I suppose they could turn down the pick. My impression is that secondary deals such as the one that got the Suns pick back from Orlando seems to be pretty common. Still, I would think the Spurs would rather have the pick now than to wait for five years.
 

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Joe Mama said:
I doubt the San Antonio Spurs would be willing to take one of the Celtics draft picks. If so, they would surely want the best one. They are entitled to the Phoenix Suns draft pick, so they don't have to accept one of Boston's.

Not even the #7 draft pick will be enough to get rid of Howard Eiseley. I'm not even sure winning one of the top three would be enough to get it done.

Chris, does this article make you feel any differently about Pavel?

This is nothing short of obvious, but I think if the Phoenix Suns pick at #7 they will take one of the following players.

Biedrinis
Ramos
Perovic
Ben Gordon
Devin Harris
Josh Smith
Andre Iguodala
Predrag Samardziski

I would like to know what the rules are for drafting a player and keeping him playing international basketball. Does he account against the salary cap? If the player wants to come to the NBA can team keep him on hold in the international leagues?

Joe Mama

No it only reaffirms my long standing belief that you guys who say he is stiff and can't run are incorrect.

Like they said, he is no Pavelstein.
 
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