Commanders at Cardinals gameday thread 9-29-24

[Chopper0080]

Who is going to trade for him?

Probably no one, but I feel I could make an argument for Las Vegas.

 

[Chopper0080]

If they try to trade him he becomes valueless. The mere fact they want to move on after hyping him up so much would be a huge red flag.

Plus teams should really have wised up to this by now. DeShaun Watson and Russell Wilson have both been huge expensive busts. Aaron Rodgers has done little for the Jets. Matt Ryan was trash in Indy.

The only big QB trade in recent history that has worked is the Matt Stafford and Jared Goff swaps.

You don't get any value back in trading Kyler. You are moving him to move him. His value is gone.

 

[Redsz]

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It boggles my mind that Max isn't on the field more.

 

[Stout]

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I stopped paying attention at "wayment" lol

 

[Brian in Mesa]

You don't get any value back in trading Kyler. You are moving him to move him. His value is gone.

Probably why a lot of us fans were hesitant to pay him all of that money - especially after the horrendous performance in the playoffs, the social media scrubbing, the demands by his agent, etc. There were plenty of signs pointing to running away from signing him to a long-term deal. Then the deal started off by making news because of the study clause, then Kyler's press conference with the EA$Y shirt on, etc. It definitely has not been a smooth road and much of that is on Kyler. Finally, it appeared he turned a corner, was actually spending more of his time in Arizona than Texas and had the look of a maturing leader. But watching him reluctantly answer questions in his last presser made my stomach turn. He basically blew off the 42-14 loss by saying "It was just one game." His body language looked like he wanted to be playing video games somewhere rather than answering questions. Big time regression on and off the field, IMHO.

 

[TheCardFan]

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[Chopper0080]

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I find this funny. Almost every pass play has a layered attack. Short, medium, and long. People act like the coach calls the play and then tells the QB to throw it to a certain guy. That's not how it works.

 

[Dayman]

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[BritCard]

This was the play I turned it off and went to bed.

So much I don't like here. The coverage scheme, having Kris Barnes in at LB on an obvious passing play but most of all what the heck is Jalen doing?

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[ajcardfan]

This was the play I turned it off and went to bed.

So much I don't like here. The coverage scheme, having Kris Barnes in at LB on an obvious passing play but most of all what the heck is Jalen doing?

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The secondary was that bad all day. Like I said on game day, I think it's the worst game Jalen Thompson has ever played. And it's not like his teammates were much better. They were not playing as a unit. And it isn't like they have the man coverage skills to compensate for that.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

The secondary was that bad all day. Like I said on game day, I think it's the worst game Jalen Thompson has ever played. And it's not like his teammates were much better. They were not playing as a unit. And it isn't like they have the man coverage skills to compensate for that.

It was so bad that I kept looking over my shoulder to see if I had been selected for a hidden camera show and was being pranked. Guys could not tackle at all and seemingly helped the offensive players more than they hindered them. You know it is bad when the receivers don't care if they get flagged for taunting or unsportsmanlike conduct after making us look silly on a few plays.

 

[MadCardDisease]

This was the play I turned it off and went to bed.

So much I don't like here. The coverage scheme, having Kris Barnes in at LB on an obvious passing play but most of all what the heck is Jalen doing?

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Barnes is the reason that play was so open. Not sure why he didn't cover the flat with a guy running right behind him. Barnes stops for some unknown reason and moves back towards mid field for a split second. If he had just continued towards the Commander sideline without hesitating he would have been in perfect position to take that throw away.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

The secondary was that bad all day. Like I said on game day, I think it's the worst game Jalen Thompson has ever played. And it's not like his teammates were much better. They were not playing as a unit. And it isn't like they have the man coverage skills to compensate for that.

Oh it was so horrible this past Sunday.

It was 2000 - 2003 bad.

It was Steve-Bono-rambling-a-billion-yards-for-a-QB-keeper-TD-with-no Cardinal-defender-within-five-miles-of-him bad.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Oh it was so horrible this past Sunday.

It was 2000 - 2003 bad.

It was Steve-Bono-rambling-a-billion-yards-for-for-QB-keeper-TD-with-no Cardinal-defender-within-five-miles-of-him bad.

That play still haunts me. So bad.

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[TRW]

That play still haunts me. So bad.

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It's even worse when the big, fat offensive lineman had to slow down for him. LMAO

 

[WisconsinCard]

That play still haunts me. So bad.

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Oh my we were at that game. What a joke that was.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Oh my we were at that game. What a joke that was.

Same. Sitting in the South endzone watching him run down the field. So infuriating. Felt like we were watching a high school team get tricked by the other team.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Same. Sitting in the South endzone watching him run down the field. So infuriating. Felt like we were watching a high school team get tricked by the other team.

So he was heading right at you guys. Our season tickets were in sec 27 about the 25 yard line towards the north end zone.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

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We got absolutely whooped in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. Sheesh. One QB was playing on easy mode and one was playing on hard mode.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

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We got absolutely whooped in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. Sheesh. One QB was playing on easy mode and one was playing on hard mode.

That is so gross! I tried to tell everyone the pass protection for Daniels was incredible, and sucked for Murray GGS, but the rabble rousers just shouted me down!

Did you see while in the pocket Daniels at one point actually sent a text before completing a pass on Sunday? It was ridiculous!

Meanwhile our hero Kyler Murray must have felt like Washington was rushing ten every play. But even with that horrific pass protection he still protected the ball, and still completed 73% of his passes! Amazing!

And all the rabble rousers can crow about is "oh, Daniels is so great" and "well maybe Kliff Kingsbury wasn't the problem, maybe Kyler is" and "Kyler doesn't process the coverage fast enough"

Yeah, sure guys.

 

[Stout]

That is so gross! I tried to tell everyone the pass protection for Daniels was incredible, and sucked for Murray GGS, but the rabble rousers just shouted me down!

Did you see while in the pocket Daniels at one point actually sent a text before completing a pass on Sunday? It was ridiculous!

Meanwhile our hero Kyler Murray must have felt like Washington was rushing ten every play. But even with that horrific pass protection he still protected the ball, and still completed 73% of his passes! Amazing!

And all the rabble rousers can crow about is "oh, Daniels is so great" and "well maybe Kliff Kingsbury wasn't the problem, maybe Kyler is" and "Kyler doesn't process the coverage fast enough"

Yeah, sure guys.

All I'm asking of Kyler when the rush is too great is to throw the damn ball away rather than go fetal every damn time. That is not too much to ask. Throw it away, don't take the giant loss, live to fight another down rather than sink the drive. That isn't asking for the moon.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

All I'm asking of Kyler when the rush is too great is to throw the damn ball away rather than go fetal every damn time. That is not too much to ask. Throw it away, don't take the giant loss, live to fight another down rather than sink the drive. That isn't asking for the moon.

That's fair Stout!

And I know you want to stop it with the excuses for Murray but JFC can we just give him middle-of-the-pack pass protection please? That's not asking for the moon either!

 

[WisconsinCard]

That's fair Stout!

And I know you want to stop it with the excuses for Murray but JFC can we just give him middle-of-the-pack pass protection please? That's not asking for the moon either!

It's difficult on the OL.when they don't know where he's going to be. Not saying this happens in every play, but holding the ball too long increases pressure rate, as does taking unnecessary sacks. A QB can also shift the protection at the line if they are reading things correctly.

There can be several contributing factors when it comes to rating an OL. Even for professionals it's difficult because they really don't know the call or their assignments.

 

[Stout]

That's fair Stout!

And I know you want to stop it with the excuses for Murray but JFC can we just give him middle-of-the-pack pass protection please? That's not asking for the moon either!

I am always for better pass pro!

 

[Chopper0080]

It's difficult on the OL.when they don't know where he's going to be. Not saying this happens in every play, but holding the ball too long increases pressure rate, as does taking unnecessary sacks. A QB can also shift the protection at the line if they are reading things correctly.

There can be several contributing factors when it comes to rating an OL. Even for professionals it's difficult because they really don't know the call or their assignments.

I will add that most offensive lines look bad when the team is playing from behind and having to throw the football. Much tougher to pass block when the defense doesn't have to respect the run.