NCAA to strip 38 wins from Memphis basketball over Derrick Rose

[DWKB]

I suspect the difference is the NCAA believes Kansas didn't know Arthur was ineligible, and they feel Memphis did know about Rose. But I think ultimately the difference is the Texas HS folks cleared Arthur without ever bothering to explain why they were allowed to violate district rules in changing his grades. In fact last time I heard not only had they not explained how they ruled nothing wrong happened, they were actually pursuing disciplinary actions against the math teacher for disclosing Arthur's grades to the media which violated privacy rules. Yes he violated rules but he did it because he knew the grades had been changed, he did it to expose a problem at the school.

I think the best team won it on the court that year and any other questions are just impossible to answer.

No, the difference is that the NCAA ruled that Arthur was eligible. That the grade changes, although definitely shady in viewing, had no effect on Arthur's eligibility for college, just for playing HS ball for that year. To put it simply, the Arthur situation was limited to HS and the Rose situation was not.

 

[Russ Smith]

No, the difference is that the NCAA ruled that Arthur was eligible. That the grade changes, although definitely shady in viewing, had no effect on Arthur's eligibility for college, just for playing HS ball for that year. To put it simply, the Arthur situation was limited to HS and the Rose situation was not.

Not saying you're wrong but do you have a link? The reason I ask is that on Memphis board a guy contacted the author of the article I quoted. He got a very lengthy email reply from the guy that very clearly stated without the 2 grade changes, Darrell Arthur was NOT NCAA eligible. The first grade change took him from an F to a C, without it he has no passing grade for that core class, math. The 2nd took him from a D to a C and raised his overall grade for the year to passing, without he had no passing math grade that year. According to the author(Dallas sportswriter) without changing those grades Arthur was short core classes and not eligible. What made it really suspicious was the sophomore grade being changed during his senior year of HS.

If he was still eligible even without the grade changes that would make sense but this guy posted the sections of the email reply he got from the author and the author was VERY clear, to this day nobody has adequately explained to him why Arthur was not declared ineligible since without the grade changes, he didn't meet the core class requirements.

What made it interesting is it' snot a Memphis area writer with an axe to grind, but a guy in Arthur's backyard, and in fact one of the guys who broke the original story of grade changing in 2006 that led to that team forfeiting a state title.

I had never seen that before but when I went and re-read the guys' article he had so much detail and quotes from teachers involved.

 

[DWKB]

Not saying you're wrong but do you have a link? The reason I ask is that on Memphis board a guy contacted the author of the article I quoted. He got a very lengthy email reply from the guy that very clearly stated without the 2 grade changes, Darrell Arthur was NOT NCAA eligible. The first grade change took him from an F to a C, without it he has no passing grade for that core class, math. The 2nd took him from a D to a C and raised his overall grade for the year to passing, without he had no passing math grade that year. According to the author(Dallas sportswriter) without changing those grades Arthur was short core classes and not eligible. What made it really suspicious was the sophomore grade being changed during his senior year of HS.

If he was still eligible even without the grade changes that would make sense but this guy posted the sections of the email reply he got from the author and the author was VERY clear, to this day nobody has adequately explained to him why Arthur was not declared ineligible since without the grade changes, he didn't meet the core class requirements.

What made it interesting is it' snot a Memphis area writer with an axe to grind, but a guy in Arthur's backyard, and in fact one of the guys who broke the original story of grade changing in 2006 that led to that team forfeiting a state title.

I had never seen that before but when I went and re-read the guys' article he had so much detail and quotes from teachers involved.

http://newsok.com/dallas-school-district-clears-kus-arthur-of-grades-improprieties/article/3281419

http://www.dallasisd.org/inside_disd/calendardata/news_releases/1235425993.html

 

[Russ Smith]

http://newsok.com/dallas-school-district-clears-kus-arthur-of-grades-improprieties/article/3281419

http://www.dallasisd.org/inside_disd/calendardata/news_releases/1235425993.html

Thanks.

 

[Southpaw]

You got to give the guy credit, he always seems to be one step ahead of the law.

Jim Livengood's realistic list looked like this:

1. Cal
2. Pitino
3. Floyd
4. Miller

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

5. Perry Clark