Never too early for the draft

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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6344096

Prisco on a bunch of prospects for next year.

I admit I'm only posting it because he says Vasher might be the first CB taken (-: I don't believe it I think Jackson and Gamble go ahead of him because they're bigger, but I love Vasher so I'm pimping him anyway I can.

Anybody else think the ultimate irony would be Texas winning the NC this year with a young QB just to prove that it was Simms and not Mack Brown holding them back (-:
 

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i saw vasher in person and televised a few times, that kid can flat out ball!

eli manning in '04!
 

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Id love to get my hands on Eli/Rothlesberger and or Marlin Jackson/Vasher :thumbup:
 

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Bu then again there is a kid named Marcus Vick in possibly 2 years!!
 
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Originally posted by Mr. Boldin
Bu then again there is a kid named Marcus Vick in possibly 2 years!!

I want to see him actually play he's apparently neck and neck with Randall for the QB job this year. He's smaller than Michael and doesn't have the arm although I keep reading "he's just like his brother", it's hype at this point I don't think anybody is just like his brother.

I'm anxious to see Vince Young at Texas too he was a very heralded prospect who sat behind Simms last year. 6'5", can run and has a strong arm.

There's always the next big thing out there. I'm of course a huge Clarett fan, if he can keep his injuries in check I think he'll be HOF guy in the NFL he's just that good.
 

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I don't think that's a very comprehensive list.

There are <b>always</b> guys you never expect who have huge years and end up going top 10 (who had ever heard of Dewayne Robertson before 2002?) but my prediction for the top 5 picks in the draft based on what I've seen are:

1. Eli manning. He has it all.
2. Willie Smith. If he puts up double-digits sacks, at his size and speed he is definitely top 10.
3. Greg Jones, RB, FSU. How could he not be on that list? He's better than Clarett in some ways. If healthy, he's tops.
4. Maurice Clarett. Just needs to have one more year like last year and the doubts will go away.
5. Andrew Walter. Maybe better than Manning.


Roy Williams has been real up-and-down in college.....also hurt a lot.....so he would have to have a monster year to go top 5.
 
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Originally posted by Ed B
I don't think that's a very comprehensive list.

There are <b>always</b> guys you never expect who have huge years and end up going top 10 (who had ever heard of Dewayne Robertson before 2002?) but my prediction for the top 5 picks in the draft based on what I've seen are:

1. Eli manning. He has it all.
2. Willie Smith. If he puts up double-digits sacks, at his size and speed he is definitely top 10.
3. Greg Jones, RB, FSU. How could he not be on that list? He's better than Clarett in some ways. If healthy, he's tops.
4. Maurice Clarett. Just needs to have one more year like last year and the doubts will go away.
5. Andrew Walter. Maybe better than Manning.


Roy Williams has been real up-and-down in college.....also hurt a lot.....so he would have to have a monster year to go top 5.

He did mention Walter. I think with Jones it's the knee injury. I'm not a huge Jones fan he seems to have this weird habit of turning his back on tacklers, I assume to protect the ball but I think it prevents him from powering through tackles like a kid that big and strong should. Clarett just has that "natural feel" for where the hole is or will be, guys that big typically can't slip through holes like he does, he does have to stay healthy though.

Smith was on the list as well.

The thing with Roy Williams is, look at his production in college, look at Andre Johnson and ask, if Johnson goes 3rd how can Williams not go top 5? He's taller, nearly as fast, a more natural WR, I gotta believe he'll go top 5. I think Wilfork will too assuming he comes out.

Clarett will be interesting ESPN started that controversy last year about him challenging the draft rule, he never intended to but he will be 20 and NOT draft eligible, if he has another monster year coming off an NC as a frosh you gotta wonder if he'll challenge the rule and apply for the draft?

As you said there's always going to be guys like Robertson who come from nowhere to make a big name for themselves. And there's always guys who go in highly rated and don't stay there.

I expect for example Gerald Riggs JR at Tennessee to have a great year this year.

The list exaggerates some, he's got Williams, Vasher, Marcus Tubbs, Derrick Johnson and Cedric Benson from Texas all in the first round if they come out. Williams yes, Vasher probable depends on how tall he turns out to really be. Tubbs is just not that good, he's a very good college player but he's injured a lot and he's simply not good enough to be a 1st round DT in my opinion. I love Derrick Johnson but he's a 220 pound LB I think the NFL will question that, great talent but not sure he'll be a first rounder. Benson is a very good college RB but lacks first round speed I see him as a 3 or 4th round RB.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
The thing with Roy Williams is, look at his production in college, look at Andre Johnson and ask, if Johnson goes 3rd how can Williams not go top 5? He's taller, nearly as fast, a more natural WR, I gotta believe he'll go top 5. I think Wilfork will too assuming he comes out.


You may accuse me of rationalizing, but 2003's draft was an exceptional circumstance.

Rogers would go top-5 in any year. He's <b>that good</b>. But Andre Johnson only went #3 because the Texans were absolutely desperate for a WR. Had houston passed on him, he'd have fallen out of the top 10. He is not a "top 5" talent. Too many questions about his hands, technique, etc.

WRs very rarely go top 5. It takes an exceptional one, like Rogers or Keyshawn Johnson, to do it. Unless of course some team is desperate (like houston) and makes a pure "need" pick.

Roy Williams has raised enough questions about his durability (reeeeeeally shaky) and his production (a little inconsistent) that I do not believe he is in the Keyshawn/Rogers class. Think about how few WRs have gone Top 5 in the last 10 years. Not many. Not many at all. Williams, like Rogers, would have to have an absolutely monster senior year in which he put up about 1300 yards, a YPC over 17, and just toys with everyone trying to cover him in order to answer all the questions about him and go Top 5.

IMO.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B

5. Andrew Walter. Maybe better than Manning.

Walter will have to improve on his decisions and get a whole lot more athletic in order to move in to the first round let alone the top 5. He'll only be a Junior so lets hope he stays for his Senior year because he isn't even close to being a fully developed college QB.

He's a good college player but I don't see him as being a sure thing at the next level.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6344096

Prisco on a bunch of prospects for next year.

I admit I'm only posting it because he says Vasher might be the first CB taken (-: I don't believe it I think Jackson and Gamble go ahead of him because they're bigger, but I love Vasher so I'm pimping him anyway I can.

Anybody else think the ultimate irony would be Texas winning the NC this year with a young QB just to prove that it was Simms and not Mack Brown holding them back (-:

I checked out the link, but where's JD Shockley, QB, Georgia?

JD Shockley is the next Michael Vick!
 

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If you guys like Clarrett, check out RB freshman (soon to be a sophmore) T.A. McClendon of N.C. State. He is every bit as good as Clarrett, if not better.

Bill Lewis, Jurecki's co-host was saying that during last fall, and I totally agree. He is very similar to Clarrett, but he seems to run a little less upright, and he also looks a little faster. He set the national H.S. touchdown record in North Carolina before going to NC State.

What do you guys think of Philip Rivers of NC State? He's a gamer.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
I don't think that's a very comprehensive list.

There are <b>always</b> guys you never expect who have huge years and end up going top 10 (who had ever heard of Dewayne Robertson before 2002?) but my prediction for the top 5 picks in the draft based on what I've seen are:

1. Eli manning. He has it all.
2. Willie Smith. If he puts up double-digits sacks, at his size and speed he is definitely top 10.
3. Greg Jones, RB, FSU. How could he not be on that list? He's better than Clarett in some ways. If healthy, he's tops.
4. Maurice Clarett. Just needs to have one more year like last year and the doubts will go away.
5. Andrew Walter. Maybe better than Manning.


Roy Williams has been real up-and-down in college.....also hurt a lot.....so he would have to have a monster year to go top 5.

Greg Jones is the shizzznitt.
 

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Re: Re: Never too early for the draft

Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
I checked out the link, but where's JD Shockley, QB, Georgia?

JD Shockley is the next Michael Vick!

He's actually a lot closer to the next Michael Bishop

:)
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Greg Jones is the shizzznitt.
I have never, ever seen a big man move like that. Most of the 230-pounders are the run'em-over types, but Jones has the closest thing to that Barry Sanders start/stop that leaves guys grasping for air that I've ever seen, and that's amazing for a guy who's 240.

I'm not saying he's Barry Sanders. No one is Barry Sanders. But he is more than just the usual big battering ram RB. Those guys are a dime a dozen, a guy like Jones who can actually move is special.

Wonder how bad his knee injury was?
 

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Would Clarett even be eligible for the draft? Age and year wise? I thought he would have to have 2 more years because he started as a true freshman?
 

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Originally posted by AZCB34
Would Clarett even be eligible for the draft? Age and year wise? I thought he would have to have 2 more years because he started as a true freshman?
Technically no, but <b>anyone</b> who takes that rule to court would win in about 30 seconds.

How in the hell can the NCAA tell a kid he has no right to make a living? And unless the NFL has a minimum age requirement (which they don't), how can they tell him he can't play?

NCAA rules are tissue paper compared to federal labor laws.

You have 17 year old high school kids going to the NBA. The NCAA football rule wouldn't have a chance in hell in court.
 

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Another awesome dude to watch out for is Larry Fitzgerald, WR, of Pitt. He was only a freshman last year, don't know if true or redshirt. Man I wish we could have that guy. Hopefully we'll improve enough that we won't be in a position to draft him when he's in the draft pool someday.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
I have never, ever seen a big man move like that. Most of the 230-pounders are the run'em-over types, but Jones has the closest thing to that Barry Sanders start/stop that leaves guys grasping for air that I've ever seen, and that's amazing for a guy who's 240.

I'm not saying he's Barry Sanders. No one is Barry Sanders. But he is more than just the usual big battering ram RB. Those guys are a dime a dozen, a guy like Jones who can actually move is special.

Wonder how bad his knee injury was?

Oh, I watch Florida State all the time.

It is kind of like an embarrassing addiction. :D

Greg Jones probably won't be a great NFL player. He runs too upright and takes too many big hits. He is a remarkable talented back, but he will take too much punishment in the NFL and will end up getting injured a lot.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
Technically no, but <b>anyone</b> who takes that rule to court would win in about 30 seconds.

How in the hell can the NCAA tell a kid he has no right to make a living? And unless the NFL has a minimum age requirement (which they don't), how can they tell him he can't play?

NCAA rules are tissue paper compared to federal labor laws.

You have 17 year old high school kids going to the NBA. The NCAA football rule wouldn't have a chance in hell in court.

Very true. Eric Swann sued the NFL to get in, and it was decided very quickly. We all know how that turned out, since Eric was the only Pro Bowler ever to not go to college.
 

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Originally posted by AZCB34
Would Clarett even be eligible for the draft? Age and year wise? I thought he would have to have 2 more years because he started as a true freshman?


His shoulder still isn't healed.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
Technically no, but <b>anyone</b> who takes that rule to court would win in about 30 seconds.

How in the hell can the NCAA tell a kid he has no right to make a living? And unless the NFL has a minimum age requirement (which they don't), how can they tell him he can't play?

NCAA rules are tissue paper compared to federal labor laws.

You have 17 year old high school kids going to the NBA. The NCAA football rule wouldn't have a chance in hell in court.

Thanks. I thought the NFL did have some minimum requirements though...like either 21 years old or a junior or something like that.

The ruling would certainly go against the NFL in this case but the vigor of defense would last long past when he was actually drafted.
 
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Oh, I watch Florida State all the time.

It is kind of like an embarrassing addiction. :D

Greg Jones probably won't be a great NFL player. He runs too upright and takes too many big hits. He is a remarkable talented back, but he will take too much punishment in the NFL and will end up getting injured a lot.

That's my opinion of him too he runs upright(similar to Johnny Johnson) and he takes a lot of hits. He's a specimen without a doubt but I just don't see a guy having a long career who takes all those hits.
 

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Originally posted by AZCB34
Thanks. I thought the NFL did have some minimum requirements though...like either 21 years old or a junior or something like that.
I am not aware that the NFL has such a rule. If they do, it certainly won't stand up in court. I mean, what's the legal basis for it?

"well, your Honor, see we have this unspoken wink-wink agreement with the NCAA where we give them at least 2 years to make money off the kids and they provide a free minor league system for us.........."
 
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