New Defensive Assignments for Game 3

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Tim Thomas on Odom

Marion on Kobe (per other poster--helps Marion get out and run and makes Kobe worry about getting back)

Raja on Walton

Diaw (or Grant) on Kwame

Nash on Smush
 

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The only reason I like Marion on Kobe is that Marion may have more chance running for fast break and we want to force Kobe taking outside shots more rather than drivining in. With Marion's length and speed, he might force Kobe taking more jumpers and I would love it if Marion DARES him to take jumpers. We gotta get into Kobe's ego mind. Dare him to take jumpshots every time he has the ball.

Tim Thomas on Odom.. or Diaw on Odom.

Grant can be on Kwame. Kwame is not that hard to guard. This dude makes tons of mistakes. If Grant can't guard or foul him, Grant can retire. We should try Skita and Burke too. If we don't try, we won't know.
 

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I'd rather leave Raja on Kobe and have Marion on Walton
 

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We might want to just play some defense in game three in general.
 

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Tank said:
I'd rather leave Raja on Kobe and have Marion on Walton

That may work too. Just don't put Marion on Lamar that much.
 

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Tank said:
I'd rather leave Raja on Kobe and have Marion on Walton

Agreed. Raja is a much better on the ball defender than Marion. It would be a waste of Raja's defensive intensity to put it on Walton. Marion would save oodles of energy playing Walton, hopefully enabling him to get out on the break more. Also, Shawns great at playing passing lanes which he should be able to do by playing Walton out on the wing a bit.
 

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Suns_fan69 said:
Agreed. Raja is a much better on the ball defender than Marion. It would be a waste of Raja's defensive intensity to put it on Walton. Marion would save oodles of energy playing Walton, hopefully enabling him to get out on the break more. Also, Shawns great at playing passing lanes which he should be able to do by playing Walton out on the wing a bit.

The only question is does Marion want to guard Walton? That's a massive downgrade. :p

I still prefer Marion on Walton. We need to reduce Kobe driving into the lane. Raja isn't a stopper. He can annoy Kobe but I would rather have Marion reducing Kobe's penetration and forcing Kobe to take more jumpshots.
 

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If Marion's guarding Kobe on the perimeter, who's grabbing rebounds? If Marion's going to guard anyone else, it has to be Walton.
 

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TT on Odom, that would never work. Odom would kill him off the dribble or shooting threes if he lays back. Tim wound up on him once in the second half and Lamar easily left him in his wake. Besides the Lakers can have TT guard whoever they want - all they have to do is have his man set a screen and Tim will switch. I guess they couldn't have him alone on Kobe because we'd double.

The Lakers are onto this already - they exploited it much more than in game one but haven't tapped its full potential yet. Its going to be hard for the Suns to win another game with TT playing the bulk of the time - D'Antoni is going to have to go with James Jones guarding Walton and Diaw & Marion taking turns on Odom & Brown. That doesn't look very promising given the way JJ has played but putting him in starting lineup and having to depend on him could well turn that around. He'd have to work his butt on on the boards much more than he accustomed to. I like this approach for its future benefit - if JJ can't hack this assignment do we really want to try to keep him around?

Not that I expect D'Antoni to do it - I'm not sure he's noticed how atrocious TT is on screens even though he's botched virtually every single one in approximately the same way. Surely, if he was aware of it he'd not let it go on so long.

To give credit where its due, in the 2nd Q Thomas did jump out at Kobe on one screen and executed a nice trap. It didn't happen again so it looks more like a fluke than a hopeful sign.

The Lakers did a good job of defending Barbosa, his man was funneling him to the waiting bigs rather than trying to cut him off and losing the race. As I've said before, the trouble with Barbs doing his drives from isolation is that the other team can set up for them and in the playoffs they'll figure that out. Some teams did in the regular season. BTW, the pull up shot wasn't there for Leandro either because he wasn't getting clear of his primary defender.
 

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Gaddabout said:
If Marion's guarding Kobe on the perimeter, who's grabbing rebounds? If Marion's going to guard anyone else, it has to be Walton.

Diaw and Tim Thomas/Grant. The idea is to not put Marion on Lamar and see if Marion can produce better on the offense end. Quite frankly, Marion doesn't have to stay on Kobe all the time. Mix it up a little in different situation.
 

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Errntknght said:
TT on Odom, that would never work. Odom would kill him off the dribble or shooting threes if he lays back. Tim wound up on him once in the second half and Lamar easily left him in his wake. Besides the Lakers can have TT guard whoever they want - all they have to do is have his man set a screen and Tim will switch. I guess they couldn't have him alone on Kobe because we'd double.

The Lakers are onto this already - they exploited it much more than in game one but haven't tapped its full potential yet. Its going to be hard for the Suns to win another game with TT playing the bulk of the time - D'Antoni is going to have to go with James Jones guarding Walton and Diaw & Marion taking turns on Odom & Brown. That doesn't look very promising given the way JJ has played but putting him in starting lineup and having to depend on him could well turn that around. He'd have to work his butt on on the boards much more than he accustomed to. I like this approach for its future benefit - if JJ can't hack this assignment do we really want to try to keep him around?

Not that I expect D'Antoni to do it - I'm not sure he's noticed how atrocious TT is on screens even though he's botched virtually every single one in approximately the same way. Surely, if he was aware of it he'd not let it go on so long.

To give credit where its due, in the 2nd Q Thomas did jump out at Kobe on one screen and executed a nice trap. It didn't happen again so it looks more like a fluke than a hopeful sign.

The Lakers did a good job of defending Barbosa, his man was funneling him to the waiting bigs rather than trying to cut him off and losing the race. As I've said before, the trouble with Barbs doing his drives from isolation is that the other team can set up for them and in the playoffs they'll figure that out. Some teams did in the regular season. BTW, the pull up shot wasn't there for Leandro either because he wasn't getting clear of his primary defender.

Barbs has no idea when he is trapped. He just puts his head down and drives. Doesn't read the help defense at all. He should watch Parker. Speed up, stop and speed up. Watch the defense and respond to it. If the help defense comes, then somebody is open. Take advantage of that. Barbosa said it in the interview that he is young and he can't draw enough fouls. If he can't finish his drive, he should pass it out or anticipate the defense.
 

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I don't understand why anybody would take Bell off of Kobe Bryant. He's done as well as can be expected, and if you put him on Walton the Lakers will have another mismatch in the post. I agree that Diaw needs to spend more time on Lamar Odom. They need to continue to turn him to the baseline where the weak side help should be waiting.

It's not a great matchup for the Suns, but I don't mind Tim Thomas on Brown.

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Joe has it right...

In my mind, the ideal matchups would be
Nash - Parker
Bell - Bryant
Marion - Walton
Diaw - Odom
Thomas - Brown
 

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ShuHanGuanYu said:
God forbid he pull up for a 10 footer. Everything has to be a layup or a 3.

The problem with Barbosa's shot mechanic is that he needs a decent amount of room to get a shot off. That is why he rarely pulls up for the mid range shot (although he does have decent percentage from the times i've seen him open in that range). In the playoffs, especially with Kobe on him, it's questionable whether he'll ever find enough space to get it off.
 

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Tank said:
Joe has it right...

In my mind, the ideal matchups would be
Nash - Parker
Bell - Bryant
Marion - Walton
Diaw - Odom
Thomas - Brown

Oooo. I like that. Here is the problem though, the coach has shown little ability to make adjustments so far. I am all for them changing up the defensive assignments but I don't think they will. So far all we have heard is "we have to play our game".

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If dantoni fails to adjust then the suns had better be running up and down the floor. The fast break has been a joke so far in this series except 1qt of the first game. The suns have to play their game this is the lakers after all not the freakin spurs freakin run them out of the gym and play a little D.
 

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I'd like to see the Suns change up their tactics late in the shot clock to try to make the Lakers pay for running the clock down. Trap Kobe off any P&R and double Lamar low... fake a double if he's outside to talk him out of driving.
 
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