New flopping fines for NBA players

[Mainstreet]

The NBA plans to give floppers a warning for the first flop and a $5,000 fine for each additional flop. Upon the fifth flop the fine is raised $30,000. The offending player could also receive a suspension once they have more than five flops in the regular season.

I was hoping the NBA was going to be even tougher on flopping.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8457259/nba-establishes-new-anti-flopping-penalties-fine-players

 

[Gaddabout]

So will the Spurs create a Flopping Fund, or will they just include it as metered bonuses in their contract?

 

[KloD]

What a joke. This will not stop anything.
They need to treat them as flagrant fouls.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's a start at least. It just figures that we would pick up perhaps the biggest flopper in the league at the same time the NBA finally decides to do something about it. Anyway, even with Scola, I'm glad the league is making an effort.

They are doing the right thing by making it a review situation as opposed to live action but I think they are going too small and they're aiming at the wrong target. I can just imagine the issues that will arise as players start disputing the league decisions. Personally, I'd have fined the franchise itself every time a flop was discovered and with escalation it wouldn't take long for the team itself to put a stop to this behavior.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

Why don't I think this will be enforced? By the All-Star break, people will have complained about how the refs have not called this consistently so it will go back to business as usual....

 

[Gaddabout]

Why don't I think this will be enforced? By the All-Star break, people will have complained about how the refs have not called this consistently so it will go back to business as usual....

I doubt this will be an in-game enforcement unless it's so over-the-top you can't help but notice. The refs could always enforce flopping before. It's called a "no call." This will have to be enforced days later, and it will be an admission a ref made the wrong call.

 

[Chaplin]

I doubt this will be an in-game enforcement unless it's so over-the-top you can't help but notice. The refs could always enforce flopping before. It's called a "no call." This will have to be enforced days later, and it will be an admission a ref made the wrong call.

It may be semantics, but I think it's more of the ref not wanting to make the call during the game than making a wrong call.

My worry is that the refs will ignore flopping altogether because, hey, the league will look at it later. Hopefully they don't approach it like that, because all it would take is one game being decided by a non-called flop and all hell would break loose.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

What a joke. This will not stop anything.
They need to treat them as flagrant fouls.

They need power plays, like hockey.

I'd tune in.

 

[Mulli]

I doubt this will be an in-game enforcement unless it's so over-the-top you can't help but notice. The refs could always enforce flopping before. It's called a "no call." This will have to be enforced days later, and it will be an admission a ref made the wrong call.

Yep, a d by the Allstar game, back to normal.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This is been a black eye for the league for several years now and Stern has wanted to do something about it for quite awhile. The refs will be instructed to call the game as always and the flops will be determined later. I think refs are being made to look bad as it is and this is a chance to do something about it. Instead of taking it like a slap in the face I think the refs will welcome this process.

Steve

 

[SunsTzu]

http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirect?&project=/bballops/bballops_Flopping_Video_10_3_12

Demonstration of the types of plays that will and will not be fined.

 

[Mainstreet]

http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirect?&project=/bballops/bballops_Flopping_Video_10_3_12

Demonstration of the types of plays that will and will not be fined.

Maybe it's my computer but the link is not loading.

 

[slinslin]

The wording of the rule suggests that they could also fine players that argue to get a call or complain since it is an action to get a foul call on another player.

 

[SunsTzu]

Maybe it's my computer but the link is not loading.

Not sure what browser you're using, but the link should just prompt a media player you have to open and view the video. I'm using Chrome and the video opens up in RealPlayer. Or you might have a setting or program blocking it.

I pulled the link off of http://www.nba.com/official/

 

[Mainstreet]

Not sure what browser you're using, but the link should just prompt a media player you have to open and view the video. I'm using Chrome and the video opens up in RealPlayer. Or you might have a setting or program blocking it.

I pulled the link off of http://www.nba.com/official/

Thanks for the other link but it will not load from there either. I use Firefox so it may have something to do with that or my antivirus.

 

[Budden]

I'm not sure how this will actially I would NOT want to be the bank that gave Luis Scola a mortgage for his new Phoenix home! When asked of his opinion on the leagues new flopping regulations, mr. Scola had this to say:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/files/2012/04/scola.cropped1.jpg1.jpg1-306x260.jpg

 

[Budden]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=MkFwdJZz0sM&desktop_uri=/watch?v=MkFwdJZz0sM

Scola: "Put in my tab."

 

[BC867]

Maybe it's my computer but the link is not loading.

You need QuickTime Player, which was shown briefly as the video began.

 

[Lorenzo]

a lot of floppers on defense are the ones that get a lot of attention from fans....like the beard guy in OKC flopping when tyson chandler didn't even touch him and getting a foul call.

But I think a lot of offensive players are probably nervous as to how this will change their approach to draw fouls.

 

[Mainstreet]

I've come to the opinion just don't call flopping and let the players continue to play. If flopping is called after the game but not during the game, how can it not effect the outcome if a foul was called benefiting the flopper? I think this makes the referees look worse, not better to rule on it later.

Maybe instant replay should be used instead.

 

[Bodha]

Little impact because its after the fact.


In-game it should be a foul.

 

[Errntknght]

Assuming it will be public information when a player gets fined for a flop it will become known which refs get fooled so they will almost certainly adjust their calls as well as the players adjusting. I expect it to be fairly effective. I think it is good not give players and refs one more thing to wrangle about during a game.

 

[Folster]

The whole point of flopping is to fool the refs. You can't expect the refs to be able to determine a flop from legitimate foul all of the time because we already know they can't. So implementing real time penalties such as fouls or technicals won't work when the refs are fooled by the flop. I like the new rule and think it will be effective. I hope teams can submit footage to the league and that offensive flopping/yelling as if fouled will be targeted as well.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The whole point of flopping is to fool the refs. You can't expect the refs to be able to determine a flop from legitimate foul all of the time because we already know they can't. So implementing real time penalties such as fouls or technicals won't work when the refs are fooled by the flop. I like the new rule and think it will be effective. I hope teams can submit footage to the league and that offensive flopping/yelling as if fouled will be targeted as well.

Agreed.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think this is the best solution. The only way to deal with flopping in the game is a no call, or if the flopper throws himself into someone else, a foul.

For the refs to have to make this judgment call in the middle of a game would be too much to ask (a no call or a flop). Many times it takes replay to really determine the flop. Adding the fines after the game, where it can be reviewed in the league office will have an effect. Believe me, no player likes writing the league office checks and if players do it continuously, it will really add up.