New flopping fines for NBA players

[Rivercard]

I don't like the rule. Flopping is somewhat subjective and this rule, depending on how liberal it is enforced, could encourage less defensive effort. Would much rather see them cut down on players whining about fouls.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't like the rule. Flopping is somewhat subjective and this rule, depending on how liberal it is enforced, could encourage less defensive effort. Would much rather see them cut down on players whining about fouls.

But they are not really talking about the ones that are all that subjective. Watching at home, with slo-mo and replay it is often possible to clearly see when a player has manipulated the refs into making the wrong call. In the flow of the game it's obviously difficult for the refs to see it but it's not all that tough in review. And these will all be done in review. They won't be able to prove all of them but I think it will succeed in making the players "act" less or at least "act" better.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

But they are not really talking about the ones that are all that subjective. Watching at home, with slo-mo and replay it is often possible to clearly see when a player has manipulated the refs into making the wrong call. In the flow of the game it's obviously difficult for the refs to see it but it's not all that tough in review. And these will all be done in review. They won't be able to prove all of them but I think it will succeed in making the players "act" less or at least "act" better.

Steve

The point was I was trying to make earlier, is the league going to call flopping afterwards when it clearly effected the outcome of a game in regard to a win or loss? What's the recourse. To me flopping is a foul so dealing with it afterwards is a cop out. Use instant replay and deal with it in real time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The point was I was trying to make earlier, is the league going to call flopping afterwards when it clearly effected the outcome of a game in regard to a win or loss? What's the recourse. To me flopping is a foul so dealing with it afterwards is a cop out. Use instant replay and deal with it in real time.

They won't even know when to go to replay more often than not unless they just start going to replay on every call. And the last thing they want to do is add to the replay time. If they see an obvious flop, they'll do what they've always done. This is just a mechanism to address problems that refs simply can't deal with in real time.

Steve

 

[Folster]

They won't even know when to go to replay more often than not unless they just start going to replay on every call. And the last thing they want to do is add to the replay time. If they see an obvious flop, they'll do what they've always done. This is just a mechanism to address problems that refs simply can't deal with in real time.

Steve

Bingo.

 

[Rivercard]

Flopping has been around since referees were invented. You see it in the NFL every sunday. Kind of odd that it's the flavor of the month in the NBA.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Flopping has been around since referees were invented. You see it in the NFL every sunday. Kind of odd that it's the flavor of the month in the NBA.

It happens on a much different scale in the NBA than it does in the NFL and it influences or decides far too many games to let it go unaddressed.

Steve

 

[Errntknght]

Believe it or not, flopping was extremely rare in the olden days - there wasn't even a term for it the first tweny years that I watched the game. The first player I ever saw attempting to fool the refs was Dave Debusschere and he didn't really flop - his favorite ploy was to pin an opponents hand against himself with a hand or arm and then start running away from him and get yanked back. The first true flopper that I recall was Dennis Rodman - he'd tangle arms with someone then fall down into the guy. It looked very good but if you watched him other times you'd realize virtually no one was strong enough to move him an inch against his will - forget putting him on the floor. Sometimes he got away with it a half dozen times in a game.

I know Vlade Divac, a contemporary of Rodman, gets the main credit for popularizing flopping but thats only because Dennis fooled most of the fans, too.

 

[Rivercard]

It happens on a much different scale in the NBA than it does in the NFL and it influences or decides far too many games to let it go unaddressed.

How much of flopping is coached or taught to players?

 

[Mulli]

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flopped well before and worse than Rodman did.

 

[Rivercard]

To me, whining about calls is a type of flopping. You see players like Kobe make that pouty face all the time trying to influence the refs when the replay clearly shows the ref was right with his call. I would like to see this included in the NBA anti-flopping campaign.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Believe it or not, flopping was extremely rare in the olden days - there wasn't even a term for it the first tweny years that I watched the game. The first player I ever saw attempting to fool the refs was Dave Debusschere and he didn't really flop - his favorite ploy was to pin an opponents hand against himself with a hand or arm and then start running away from him and get yanked back. The first true flopper that I recall was Dennis Rodman - he'd tangle arms with someone then fall down into the guy. It looked very good but if you watched him other times you'd realize virtually no one was strong enough to move him an inch against his will - forget putting him on the floor. Sometimes he got away with it a half dozen times in a game.

I know Vlade Divac, a contemporary of Rodman, gets the main credit for popularizing flopping but thats only because Dennis fooled most of the fans, too.

I use Vlade as an example but not because he was the first to do it. Rodman definitely flopped but IMO he learned that from his teammate, Laimbeer. That entire Detroit team frequently worked the refs to try and gain an advantage outside the rules.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

The first Sun I remember being a master flopper was Ainge.