New info on Kobe case

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ABC and hence ESPN is reporting new info in the Kobe Bryant case.

Latest developments:

Kobe and girl met as she gave him a tour of the facility he was staying at.

Girl agreed to return to Bryants room with him.

Some sexual activity that occurred WAS consentual.

Intercourse WAS NOT consentual.

There is physical evidence that points to non-consentual intercourse.

The police interrogating Bryant felt his story was inconsistent.


Thats all I got. Interesting... but still not enough to make a definitive judgement.
 

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OK. This makes more sense. I think this is the way most of us figured it allegedly happened when we first heard about the charges. I'm not saying he's guilty, but this is a lot more believable than the story about him just flying off the handle and attacking her.

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Kobe Bryant, accuser had consensual contact, report says
Associated Press
July 31, 2003

EAGLE, Colo. - Kobe Bryant has already admitted he had sex with a 19-year-old hotel worker who has accused him of rape, but a new report presents a more complicated picture about what allegedly happened in his mountain resort suite last month.

ABC News reported on its Web site Wednesday that Bryant and the woman had some consensual sexual contact but that she did not agree to have intercourse with him.

Citing unnamed sources, the network also said the woman, a concierge at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera, was in Bryant's room for less than a half hour and that Bryant later gave inconsistent statements to Eagle County authorities.

Police and court records have been sealed and County Judge Frederick Gannett has limited what officials can say about the case. Gannett was scheduled to hear arguments Thursday during a hearing on whether the records in the case should be made public.

The ABC report said Bryant's unidentified accuser had given Bryant a tour of the hotel when he arrived June 30 and that he later called and asked her to come to his room.

The Rocky Mountain News reported Thursday that law enforcement sources close to the investigation said that the woman suffered physical trauma in the vaginal area.

Krista Flannigan, a spokeswoman for the Eagle County prosecutor, did not return calls or pages late Wednesday. She declined comment to the newspaper.

Bryant, an All-Star guard for the Los Angeles Lakers, has been charged with one count of sexual assault. Bryant said he had consensual sex with the woman. His attorney, Pamela Mackey, did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment.

Bryant has posted a $25,000 bond and is scheduled to return to Colorado Aug. 6 for an initial court appearance, where he will be advised of the charge against him and of his rights.

When he filed charges July 18, prosecutor Mark Hurlbert said he had both physical and testimonial evidence to prove the case. He said Bryant forced the victim into "submission" through physical force but refused to disclose other details.

Hurlbert and defense lawyers want to keep the records of the case sealed, arguing that publicity could affect Bryant's right to a fair trial.

Defense attorneys Mackey and Hal Haddon also have asked Gannett to reconsider an earlier order allowing cameras in the courtroom during Bryant's Aug. 6 initial appearance.

Attorneys for media organizations - including the Los Angeles Times, Denver Post and NBC - have argued that many details have been publicized already, some by Bryant and the district attorney. They also contend the public should have the opportunity to determine the veracity of statements made by those involved in the case.

Gannett has already ordered a limit on public comment about the case by attorneys, authorities and others, including Bryant and any witnesses. He said the order was necessary to guarantee a fair trial.

Gannett also warned organizations not to publish or broadcast the name or photograph of any witness, juror, potential juror or the alleged victim and her family on the courthouse grounds. Any organization violating the order could be denied a seat in the courtroom.




So there WAS damage to vaginal tissue, which indicates RAPE.
 

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So there WAS damage to vaginal tissue,

There was? I missed that part.

which indicates RAPE.

Then why is the charge for only third-degree sexual assault, instead of something farther up the scale?
 

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Of course she is just a ***** though, and Kobe will be shown to be innocent since he is practically a saint. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
So there WAS damage to vaginal tissue,

There was? I missed that part.

which indicates RAPE.

Then why is the charge for only third-degree sexual assault, instead of something farther up the scale?

"The Rocky Mountain News reported Thursday that law enforcement sources close to the investigation said that the woman suffered physical trauma in the vaginal area."

Yes there was.

The third degree would have to deal with the way he forced her. He probably wasn't punching her sadistically.
 

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"The Rocky Mountain News reported Thursday that law enforcement sources close to the investigation said that the woman suffered physical trauma in the vaginal area."

LOL, I did miss it. Read the article three times, too. Sorry about that.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
"The Rocky Mountain News reported Thursday that law enforcement sources close to the investigation said that the woman suffered physical trauma in the vaginal area."

LOL, I did miss it. Read the article three times, too. Sorry about that.

No problem. :D

As adults I think we all understand women and what happens to their genitals if they don't want to have sex.
 
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Joe, I think youre dead on. This scenario is FAR more plausible. She was star struck, she wanted to have a little fun. Didnt want to go all the way, Kobe's ego might have been a little bruised, and/or he refused to hear the word no (of course I'm speculating wildly here).

I honestly dont want to believe it. The NBA needs heros right now. The league is in trouble. Kobe was that hero, and was arguably the best player in the league. He has always had a squeaky clean reputation. So its difficult to see this happening. UNfortunately the thug image of the NBA will be proliferated even further if this turns out to be a conviction. Becasue when your cleanest most popular athlete can do something like this, its not a far stretch to assume anyone can.

Even if he had a lapse in judgemnt this one time, JUST ONCE, and even if it wasn't overtly violent, if its proven he had intercourse non-consentually with this girl, he needs to go to jail. He needs to be suspended from the league indefinitely, and he needs to undergo therapy of some sort to ensure he understands the consequences of his actions.

I hipe he gets its sorted out, and gets his life back in order. This is truly terrible if it turns out to be true. I feel for the victim, and I honestly feel for Kobe. I dont know the man, but he doesnt seem the type to do this. It seems more plausible to me that he made a one time lapse in judgement, and while its an inexcusable one, its not something that he should be condemned for all eternity for. Especially if he can get his life staightened out. Im actually pretty sad about it.

Now we have to wait and see what really comes to pass.
 

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Originally posted by schutd


Even if he had a lapse in judgemnt this one time, JUST ONCE, and even if it wasn't overtly violent, if its proven he had intercourse non-consentually with this girl, he needs to go to jail. He needs to be suspended from the league indefinitely, and he needs to undergo therapy of some sort to ensure he understands the consequences of his actions.

I hipe he gets its sorted out, and gets his life back in order. This is truly terrible if it turns out to be true. I feel for the victim, and I honestly feel for Kobe. I dont know the man, but he doesnt seem the type to do this. It seems more plausible to me that he made a one time lapse in judgement, and while its an inexcusable one, its not something that he should be condemned for all eternity for. Especially if he can get his life staightened out. Im actually pretty sad about it.

Now we have to wait and see what really comes to pass.

Oh come on Schutd....don't feel sorry for a rapist (if convicted). He doesn't deserve any sympathy whatsoever. You're starting to sound like Stefan :D.

If he is found innocent, and it does appear to be a case where the girl lied, then you should feel sorry for him. But if he did what he was accused of doing, he is a piece of crap.
 
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain


If he is found innocent, and it does appear to be a case where the girl lied, then you should feel sorry for him. But if he did what he was accused of doing, he is a piece of crap.

I agree, I agree. But he still has to find a place in this world, regardless of outcome. If he's guilty, he has an opportunity to fix the situation, and I hope that he can, for the sake of the people he has hurt around him, more than I do for himself. Its certainly NOT sympathy I would feel for him. Its pity.

He's a piece of crap alright, if found guilty, but once he's paid his debt to society, he still deserves the opportunity to live his life, and try and fix the wrongs he has done.

I dont know. Some days its easy for me to say things like "screw the guy. he should burn." and others I think more along the lines of pity, as I still would have a hard time reconciling the fact tat Kobe isnt what he always appeared to me, and that is sad.

On the level, if found guilty, sure he's a rapist piece of sh*t. But theres more to it than that, I think.
 

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Originally posted by schutd
I agree, I agree. But he still has to find a place in this world, regardless of outcome. If he's guilty, he has an opportunity to fix the situation, and I hope that he can, for the sake of the people he has hurt around him, more than I do for himself. Its certainly NOT sympathy I would feel for him. Its pity.

He's a piece of crap alright, if found guilty, but once he's paid his debt to society, he still deserves the opportunity to live his life, and try and fix the wrongs he has done.

I dont know. Some days its easy for me to say things like "screw the guy. he should burn." and others I think more along the lines of pity, as I still would have a hard time reconciling the fact tat Kobe isnt what he always appeared to me, and that is sad.

On the level, if found guilty, sure he's a rapist piece of sh*t. But theres more to it than that, I think.

I see what you mean....damn liberal propaganda. :D :thumbup:
 

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Regardless of the outcome of the trial, if there is one, Kobe is still a piece of crap, in my opinion.

Ohhh, his image. Ohhh, his life. Ohhh, whatever.

He did this to himself. He cheated on his wife, on his young daughter, on his own future. He deserves any backlash that comes from this. No one put a gun to his head (either one) to make him cheat. He chose this path.

Enough people will set aside his affair because he's got b-ball skills, that my prior support of him will not be missed.
 
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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Regardless of the outcome of the trial, if there is one, Kobe is still a piece of crap, in my opinion.

Ohhh, his image. Ohhh, his life. Ohhh, whatever.

He did this to himself. He cheated on his wife, on his young daughter, on his own future. He deserves any backlash that comes from this. No one put a gun to his head (either one) to make him cheat. He chose this path.

Enough people will set aside his affair because he's got b-ball skills, that my prior support of him will not be missed.

I agree with you 100%. He did it to himself. He chose to put himself in this position. For that, I have no sympathy, and no empathy. But the fact of the matter is, I feel sorry for him. I pity him. And it saddens me when other human beings fall.

For as much as I generally despise the human race, I'm still saddened when individuals with so much to lose cant seem to make the right choices in life. Youd think someon with my contempt for humanity would thrive when those with everything ruin themselves and lose it all. But I just cant. Im a wuss, I guess.
 

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Originally posted by schutd
I agree with you 100%. He did it to himself. He chose to put himself in this position. For that, I have no sympathy, and no empathy. But the fact of the matter is, I feel sorry for him. I pity him. And it saddens me when other human beings fall.

For as much as I generally despise the human race, I'm still saddened when individuals with so much to lose cant seem to make the right choices in life. Youd think someon with my contempt for humanity would thrive when those with everything ruin themselves and lose it all. But I just cant. Im a wuss, I guess.

I see where you're coming from, but I choose to have pity on true victims. I pity his wife, their child, and anyone else affected by his choice.
 

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Guys think about this. if kobe is found guilty even after he gets out of prison, he will be placed on a sex offenders list. ever where he goes from that point forward every house around his will be give a letter telling them that he just moved into the area. this will happen for the rest of his life. yea get the torches and pitchforks and lets have a good burning.
 

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Originally posted by scotsman13
Guys think about this. if kobe is found guilty even after he gets out of prison, he will be placed on a sex offenders list. ever where he goes from that point forward every house around his will be give a letter telling them that he just moved into the area. this will happen for the rest of his life. yea get the torches and pitchforks and lets have a good burning.

HUH?

If he is a rapist, then he deserves everything that comes to him. No one here is advocating a lynching...
 
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Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
I see where you're coming from, but I choose to have pity on true victims. I pity his wife, their child, and anyone else affected by his choice.

Goes without saying.

Are you trying to out-empathize me?????
 

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Originally posted by schutd
Goes without saying.

Are you trying to out-empathize me?????

Couldn't get your drugs or porn away from you, so I'm trying another angle. ;)
 

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I am right here, just laughing.

Good to see that there are still a few people who haven't convicted him yet. :D

Can't wait to see what happens, or how it happens I should say.
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
I am right here, just laughing.

Good to see that there are still a few people who haven't convicted him yet. :D

Can't wait to see what happens, or how it happens I should say.

No one's convicted him Stefan...the only one here making an assumption on his guilt or innocence is you.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
No one's convicted him Stefan...the only one here making an assumption on his guilt or innocence is you.

Oops! I should have said "judgement" not "assumption".
 

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