New info on Kobe case

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
I am right here, just laughing.

Good to see that there are still a few people who haven't convicted him yet. :D

Can't wait to see what happens, or how it happens I should say.

No one has convicted him yet, and only one person (cough...Stefan...cough) has declared him not guilty. :D
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
I guess we'll wait and see what the jury says.:D

Why the change in tone?? last week you were Kobe is a good man he will never do anything to hurt me?? :rolleyes:
 

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http://www.sportingnews.com//nba/articles/20030731/485757.html
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Kobe loses bid to skip court appearance
July 31, 2003

EAGLE, Colo. --
A bid by Kobe Bryant to skip his first court appearance next week on a sexual assault charge was rejected Thursday by a judge.

The decision came the same day attorneys for several media organizations asked the judge to unseal court records, saying the Los Angeles Lakers' star waived his right to privacy when he declared his innocence at a news conference.

Judge Fred Gannett said he wouldn't rule on the records issue before Bryant's court appearance Wednesday.

After the hearing, Gannett said it was important for Bryant to be in court Wednesday. "It's vital for him. It's vital for us. It's where the process begins," the judge told KMGH-TV in Denver.

In their filing, defense attorneys had said Bryant's absence would reduce "the impact on the courthouse and the need for security." The defense suggested Bryant intends to seek a preliminary hearing to determine whether he should stand trial.

Bryant, a 24-year-old husband and father of one, has said he had sex with a 19-year-old employee at a mountain resort June 30 but denies assaulting her. He is free on $25,000 bond.

Much of the information about the allegation has been sealed, including the arrest affidavit and court records that could provide clues to the evidence.

Chris Beall, a lawyer representing organizations including NBC, The Denver Post and the Los Angeles Times, said the presumption of public access to court records is "a hallmark of our judicial system."

"Every day that goes by when the public doesn't have an opportunity to understand the evidence is a day lost under the Constitution," he said in a courtroom filed with reporters during a hearing carried on cable TV.

"The defendant has asserted that the release of the arrest warrant and search warrant affidavit will harm his right to privacy," he said. "However, the defendant has made admissions on international TV of a sexual relationship he says was consensual with the victim. That statement is a waiver of his right to privacy with respect to those facts."

District Attorney Mark Hurlbert and defense lawyers want the records to remain sealed, saying publicity could affect Bryant's right to a fair trial.

Prosecutor Gregory Crittenden said the case cannot be treated as a typical criminal court proceeding.

"We're dealing with a celebrity that is recognizable worldwide and, because of this, we have to look at it differently," he said. "The media is already pre-trying this case or attempting to pre-try this case in a court of public opinion."

Defense attorney Hal Haddon also warned that it could be difficult to select an impartial jury if documents are released publicly.

"There is every substantial probability of a clear and present danger that you cannot pick an impartial jury in this county or this state," he said.

The hearing was held as ABC News, the Rocky Mountain News and the Vail Daily newspaper cited unidentified sources as saying Bryant and his accuser had consensual sexual contact, but that she did not agree to have intercourse with him.

Representatives of the prosecutor and the sheriff's office declined comment on the reports.

The judge has ordered a limit on public comment about the case by attorneys, authorities and others, including Bryant and any witnesses. He said the order was necessary to guarantee a fair trial.

Gannett also has warned organizations not to publish or broadcast the name or photograph of any witness, juror, potential juror or the alleged victim and her family on the courthouse grounds. Any organization violating the order could be denied a seat in the courtroom.

Hurlbert has said he has physical and testimonial evidence to prove the case. He said Bryant forced the victim into "submission" through physical force, but the prosecutor refused to disclose other details.

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Lewis and Floorwax popular morinig show DJ's here in Denver said this morning that she had to have stitches to her bum hole. I don't know wether thay were joking but these guys are sort of jokesters so I don't know what to think. How could they know this? And why would they divulge it? Theres nothing on thier web site, but I heard it with my own ears, and they were repoting it and debating like they normally do. Confused?
 

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Well, I've done some research, and this is acctually a huge victory for Brynt. Now at least we know that the beginning was consentual.

Now it's nothing more than an equivalent of a date- rape. It is still serious (if they can prove it) but it is a victory nonetheless.
Disclaimer- I am NOT saying date rape is OK, I am just saying that it is less serious than the previous situation.

Now, it really becomes all about credibility. Bad thing is that Kobe will have to testify, but the good news is that it should be fairly easy to explore her past, including her psychological stability (well, the lack thereof I guess) and her previous sex life.
Because it is his word against her's, his attorneys should be able to convince the judge that she can not hide behind rape shield laws.

The key for defense is getting her ex's to testify and getting Kobe's ex's to testify. A couple of them already defended him on TV.

DA has to try to keep her past out of the courtroom if he even wants to have a little possibility to win.

This is starting to look even better for the defense.

One problem they will face is explaining Kobe's contradicting statements. He loses a little credibility there, but his ex's should make up for that. DA needs a miracle here, he has to find a way to shatter their credibility.

I want to see this whole trial so bad. I wish they'd televise it, but that's not going to happen. What would a man have to do to get into that courtroom?:confused:
 
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Originally posted by DRVNFAST
Lewis and Floorwax popular morinig show DJ's here in Denver said this morning that she had to have stitches to her bum hole. I don't know wether thay were joking but these guys are sort of jokesters so I don't know what to think. How could they know this? And why would they divulge it? Theres nothing on thier web site, but I heard it with my own ears, and they were repoting it and debating like they normally do. Confused?

Lewis and Floorwax are ********; a poor man's Howard Stern. Tasteless joke and totally out of line. Had to be. Its their show's signature.
 
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Originally posted by SirStefan32


I want to see this whole trial so bad. I wish they'd televise it, but that's not going to happen. What would a man have to do to get into that courtroom?:confused:

Youre either a sick f*ck, or a complete drama queen. Its scary how much you seem to have personally vested in this.

Im almost hoping Kobe is found guilty so you can come back to earth a bit with your star f*cking.

I noticed that you have talked about a lot of circumstantial crap like credibility and he said she said. No mention of the purported physical evidence. Why is that?
 

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Originally posted by schutd
Youre either a sick f*ck, or a complete drama queen. Its scary how much you seem to have personally vested in this.

Hey man, I just want to learn, that's all. I could care less about the verdict, I just want to learn, and this sounds like a very interesting case.


Originally posted by schutd
Im almost hoping Kobe is found guilty so you can come back to earth a bit with your star f*cking.

Again, I don't really care about the outcome as much I am interested in the way the prosecutor and the defense team are going to handle the case. It's not nice to hate somebody because he wants to learn. :)

Originally posted by schutd
I noticed that you have talked about a lot of circumstantial crap like credibility and he said she said. No mention of the purported physical evidence. Why is that?

Good question. Obviously we all have a little problem- the case is sealed, and we don't know the details. I am speculating that the evidence is DNA, and minor vaginal injuries, probably a couple of broken tissues, or something like that.

He admitted that they had sex, that explains the DNA evidence. The prosecution might as well not bother with that. In the opening statement, Bryant's attorneys will say that their client admitted he had sex. There is nothing the DA can do with that.

As far as "injuries" go, I don't know what they've got. I am guessing that if they had something solid, they would have charged Bryant immediately.

If there are minor injuries, they will find a way to explain those. I have not done much studying on how to create a reasonable doubt in these cases, but what I do know is that a person can get hurt during the consensual sexual intercourse, and I also know that it is possible though not likely, to be raped and not get any major injuries. Any forensic scientist/ medical examiner will have to admit that it is possible.

Unless she has MAJOR injuries, I am confident that Kobe's lawyers will create more than a reasonable doubt.
 
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As far as "injuries" go, I don't know what they've got. I am guessing that if they had something solid, they would have charged Bryant immediately.

I think you are wrong. This is a heavy case and I think the DA wanted to be extra careful not to jump to conclutions about anything. Celebrity cases usually take a while to come to an actual charge. You can point to the Simpson and Blake cases for examples of this. In both cases, the evidence pointed at both of these men and at no other, but they were not charged until a few weeks after the fact.
 

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That may be a valid point, Ryan. It is possible that he wanted to be sure he has a case.

However, until I see what they've got, I'll put my money on Bryant.
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
That may be a valid point, Ryan. It is possible that he wanted to be sure he has a case.

However, until I see what they've got, I'll put my money on Bryant.

WHY? ...because he looks good drinking a Sprite? ...because he smiles nice on TV? ...because he has his own hamburger at McDonalds?
 

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No.
As I already said, the judge sealed the case, so we don't know everything. However, from from I see, there is not enough evidence against him.

I could be wrong, but I don't think they can prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
 

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I could be wrong, but I don't think they can prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

SirStefan, just for the record ...

Do you want Bryant to be acquitted, or do you want him to be innocent? You have to recognize that they aren't the same thing.
 

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Eric,

For the sake of the NBA, basketball fans all around the world, and most importantly, his family, I want him to be innocent.

If the evidence shows that he is guilty, I don't want him acquitted. If he did what he is accused of, I don't care if he rots in jail for 20 years.

As a future law student and one day attorney (hopefully), I am really more interested in the legal battle between an excellent DA and an outstanding defense team than in Kobe Bryant or his accuser. My interest in this case is mostly legal. I just happen to be a huge basketball fan, and have a lot of respect for Bryant, and his incredible basketball accomplishments.

Stefan
 

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There are more lawyers in school right now than there are practicing lawyers. Thats all we need is another ambulance chaser showing their DUI commercials to the daytime TV audience of unemployed lowlifes.
 

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Originally posted by schutd
Youre either a sick f*ck, or a complete drama queen. Its scary how much you seem to have personally vested in this.

Im almost hoping Kobe is found guilty so you can come back to earth a bit with your star f*cking.

I noticed that you have talked about a lot of circumstantial crap like credibility and he said she said. No mention of the purported physical evidence. Why is that?

I think he is more of a sick f*ck evinced by his typical views on things.

I think that was quite clear when he called the girl a ***** without any real knowledge of the case...:rolleyes:

And now he says that it was consensual...no the contact was consensual, not the sex part. We still don't know if the sex was consensual or not.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
And now he says that it was consensual...no the contact was consensual, not the sex part. We still don't know if the sex was consensual or not.

I said that the beginning was consentual. Perhaps you should read what I post before you start insulting me.

Ryan, whatever dude. :rolleyes:
 

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Hey Steffy, this case does prove one thing:

Kobe has been laid atleast one time more than you have :D
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
I said that the beginning was consentual. Perhaps you should read what I post before you start insulting me.

Ryan, whatever dude. :rolleyes:

Ah well sorry then, but I don't take back how I feel about you.

You crossed the line, and if Kobe is found guilty, you should be ashamed of your words. Very sickening.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Ah well sorry then, but I don't take back how I feel about you.

You crossed the line, and if Kobe is found guilty, you should be ashamed of your words. Very sickening.

Hey, no problem, if he is found guilty, I guess I was wrong.
On the other hand, if he is founf not guilty, I am going to feel pretty good.
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
Hey, no problem, if he is found guilty, I guess I was wrong.
On the other hand, if he is founf not guilty, I am going to feel pretty good.

But as we have stated before, not guilty isn't the same as innocent. You could still come away looking like a jackass.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But as we have stated before, not guilty isn't the same as innocent. You could still come away looking like a jackass.

As I said, if he is found not guilty, you will claim that he was really guilty but got away with it because he was rich.

If Kobe is found not guilty in the court of law, that means I was on the same page. That's all I need. :)

No disrespect to you, but being on the same page with his lawyers, the judge and the jury is more important to me than what you think.

When I decided that I wanted to be a lawyer, I accepted that some people would hate me for no reason at all, and that's OK. It's a small sacrifice worth making.

I would also appreciate if we can have a discussion without personal insults.
 
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WHY? ...because he looks good drinking a Sprite? ...because he smiles nice on TV? ...because he has his own hamburger at McDonalds?

No, try because everybody who has ever known Kobe Bryant closely that has come out to talk about him has said nothing but good stuff. If Kobe's ex-girlfriend comes out and says, "I dated Kobe for 2 years, and he was always nothing but a gentleman to me and everybody around us," then it doesn't matter how the media spins it, it doesn't matter what kind of hamburger he eats or how he looks on television.

But now let's look at what people have said about the girl supposedly. Some have said that she's been a wreck for the past 3 months, has always been looking for major attention, and even bragged about the size of Kobe's penis. Her supposed close friends, however, who have backed her up have come up with other stories. They say she wouldn't hurt a fly, that she was just an innocent girl who went up to check on Kobe Bryant's room for 10 minutes, and although he was nice when his room door was open, he just snapped when she closed the door. Stories like these don't really mean much to me, however, considering the minute detail that they're complete unadulterated BS. We now know that she hooked up with him consensually before they had sex, which means that if her friends did indeed say this, then they were lying. I remember some direct quote that said Kobe was all nice, completing "playing off his super-star image" until the door closed. Then he snapped.

WHY? ...because he looks good drinking a Sprite? ...because he smiles nice on TV? ...because he has his own hamburger at McDonalds?

Actually, I myself believe him because it seriously looks like he's telling the truth, whereas the 19 year old girl doesn't seem to be.
 

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