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Cards move all the way up to 23rd! From 23rd :(

"Was that the 1999 version of Kurt Warner spreading the ball around to seven different receivers on Sunday? It sure looked like it. Edgerrin James started slow out of the gates, but picked it up in the second half too. The defense was an absolute disaster, though. "
 

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Here is what they said about the Seahawks:

Ugly season opener; Ugly special teams play; Ugly rushing attack. But an ugly win is still a win. Shaun Alexander should get it going this weekend vs. Arizona's swiss cheese defense.

Ouch!

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Looks about right.

Anyway who cares about what individual sports writers think about where teams should rank.
 

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As to whether or not the Cards should improve because of last Sunday, well, beating San Francisco was expected, so not moving would be in order, but the 23/23 reference was to say that in all of the rankings for the season (this is the only one), the Cards have been as high as 23 and as low as 23.

That said, 23 is just not right. Yet another review of the "well, they're always bad" variety.
 

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jefftheshark said:
Here is what they said about the Seahawks:

Ugly season opener; Ugly special teams play; Ugly rushing attack. But an ugly win is still a win. Shaun Alexander should get it going this weekend vs. Arizona's swiss cheese defense.

Ouch!

The Shark

Yep, 4 TD against us last year. We need Watson in there plugging up the middle. Dockett didn't do enough in pass rushing, to make up for his run defense, or the lackthereof.
 

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Lloydian said:
That said, 23 is just not right. Yet another review of the "well, they're always bad" variety.
Didn't we suck on D? ST and running game were mediocre? and we let a bad team hang around until last seconds to embarass us badly while we should have put the game away in 3rd quarter?
 

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az1965 said:
Didn't we suck on D? ST and running game were mediocre? and we let a bad team hang around until last seconds to embarass us badly while we should have put the game away in 3rd quarter?
Let's look at the team at #22. The Redskins were at home, they had Portis (and looking pretty decent, at that), but they let the Vikings make some amazing passes. Their loss would have been worse if not for Vikings receivers seemingly playing with grease on their hands. I'm just not seeing where Washington deserves consideration ahead of Arizona (unless they're getting that "Well, Arizona is always bad" consideration).

The Chiefs were down 17-3 when Green was knocked out. Granted, KC had a better opponent, but they were enjoying home field advantage and couldn't do anything. And that team, at least for a couple of weeks, now becomes the Damon Huard led Kansas City Chiefs.

Winning on Sunday will shut up a lot of critics.
 

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This can't be right, none of the rankings changed from last week :confused:
 

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az1965 said:
Didn't we suck on D? ST and running game were mediocre? and we let a bad team hang around until last seconds to embarass us badly while we should have put the game away in 3rd quarter?

On the other hand our offense lit them up for 34 points.

The Cards scored 3 TD's in the redzone.

Arizona's passing offense is even better than last year.

The defense forced 2 turnovers that led to 14 points.

The Cards are undefeated and lead the NFL in scoring.

If James continues at the same rushing pace he will have more yards rushing than any Cardinal RB in the last 20 years.

This is the team many of us expected in 2003 a high powered offense with a mediocre at best defense and 34-27 games. Beats anything we've had to watch in a long time.

:koolaid:
 

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Duckjake said:
On the other hand our offense lit them up for 34 points.

The Cards scored 3 TD's in the redzone.

Arizona's passing offense is even better than last year.

The defense forced 2 turnovers that led to 14 points.

The Cards are undefeated and lead the NFL in scoring.

If James continues at the same rushing pace he will have more yards rushing than any Cardinal RB in the last 20 years.

This is the team many of us expected in 2003 a high powered offense with a mediocre at best defense and 34-27 games. Beats anything we've had to watch in a long time.

:koolaid:
Not questioning any of above, in fact very happy... the issue is while doing all of this, we surrendered 27 points to a bad team and gave them a shot to take the game away. Gotta look at the entire picture and it wasn't pretty. If you want to keep ignoring the issues, well, what can I say, keep looking thru the rose colored (or rather cardinal colored) glasses.
 

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az1965 said:
Not questioning any of above, in fact very happy... the issue is while doing all of this, we surrendered 27 points to a bad team and gave them a shot to take the game away. Gotta look at the entire picture and it wasn't pretty. If you want to keep ignoring the issues, well, what can I say, keep looking thru the rose colored (or rather cardinal colored) glasses.

I'm not ignoring the issues but people are picking and choosing which ones they want to look at and which ones they want to ignore. For example, the Seahawks scored 9 points against a bad Lions team but people expect them to do whatever they want against us.

Do you really think that this team can't play better? Do you think we're going to have 3 personal fouls again? Do you think that with more blitzing and scheming we could possibly improve defensively?

Both teams had problems this past week and everyone is just bowing to the Seahawks saying that it is a certain that not only will we lose, but we will be destroyed. There is no way to know one way or the other based on a single game
 

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I'm just predicting that we had better get ready for more games like the one Sunday. I don't think anyone can stop our offense and I don't think we can stop anyone either. I'm not ignoring anything. This is just what all the aspects add up to.
 

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If they go to Seattle this weekend and get spanked they deserve the 23 ranking.
If they go up there and show something they'll be gettin' lots of love next week.

Bottom line: Cards didn't prove much against the Niners.
 

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Duckjake said:
I'm just predicting that we had better get ready for more games like the one Sunday. I don't think anyone can stop our offense and I don't think we can stop anyone either. I'm not ignoring anything. This is just what all the aspects add up to.

and that is very possible thats the way we are for the rest of the season but in order to be certain we need more then 1 game to base that opinion on.

Good teams play bad games on occassion. Bad teams play good games on occassion. Average usually switch from good one week to bad the next.

We don't know which one we are (or just about any other team for that matter) yet
 

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Evil Ash said:
Do you really think that this team can't play better? I believe this team CAN play better and expect them to play better coming Sunday.

Do you think we're going to have 3 personal fouls again? I hope not. If it happens again, I think Denny will probably strangle someone's throat.

Do you think that with more blitzing and scheming we could possibly improve defensively? Definitely.

Both teams had problems this past week and everyone is just bowing to the Seahawks saying that it is a certain that not only will we lose, but we will be destroyed. There is no way to know one way or the other based on a single game
And all I'm saying that we have had problem stopping the run all last season. We have made minor improvements by adding Clancy to the DL. This problem was apparent all thru pre-season and last week's season openner. Seattle has been good running, has had usually huge runs against us. They have marginally gone down (by losing Hutch), if at all. Unless until we prove that we can block run and against good running teams / backs and Seattle proves on a consistent basis that they are having problems running this season, there WILL be bowing to the Seahags. Plain and simple.

I really hope we bring our A+ game this Sunday and knock the crap out of Seattle.
 

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az1965 said:
And all I'm saying that we have had problem stopping the run all last season. We have made minor improvements by adding Clancy to the DL. This problem was apparent all thru pre-season and last week's season openner. Seattle has been good running, has had usually huge runs against us. They have marginally gone down (by losing Hutch), if at all. Unless until we prove that we can block run and against good running teams / backs and Seattle proves on a consistent basis that they are having problems running this season, there WILL be bowing to the Seahags. Plain and simple.

I really hope we bring our A+ game this Sunday and knock the crap out of Seattle.

I'm not disagreeing that if we play the same against Seattle as we did against the Niners that we will be destroyed. Not at all

I just don't know why people think its a certainty that we will or that Seattle will improve that greatly after a poor performance last week. Last year doesn't carry over to this year, its up to the teams to decide on what happens this year. For example the Seahawks miss Hutchinson more then they liked to admit

We showed very little of our defensive scheme on Sunday and for the preseason ... so that isn't the best gauge as to whats going to happen.
 

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I agree. These are all speculations. That's why we play the games. If we somehow contain Alexander, there will be a good chance we come home 2-0!
 

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by the way they scored 4 touchdowns in the redzone. don't forget about the touchdown pass to bergen.
 

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vinnymac said:
by the way they scored 4 touchdowns in the redzone. don't forget about the touchdown pass to bergen.

I think that is the one area we can point at, right now, and say we are better than last year. Based on preseason and the Niners game. We've even been able to run the ball in the redzone.

As for the the rest of the it.....we'll see.
 

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