New York Post: MCDYESS PONDERS NETS GIG

[cly2tw]

The main difference between Martin and Marion is that the Martin is a paint player, a much better one-on-one defender, and much tougher. These are qualities that don't show on stats sheets. And the way he moves, he is more likely to develop into a solid go-to scorer than Marion despite being older. Heh, look at Ben Wallace who used to be one-dimentional defensive player but became an adequate scorer lately.

 

[F-Dog]

Originally posted by cly2tw
...the way he moves, he is more likely to develop into a solid go-to scorer than Marion despite being older.

I don't see it, actually.

When I watch the Nets, it looks like K-Mart gets an awful lot of his points on layups, tip-ins and dunks. His outside shot is suspect, his post moves seem mechanical, and I can't remember seeing anything resembling a go-to move from him--something that ended with a high-percentage shot, anyway.

Marion at least has that driving floater, which has the potential to bridge the gap between his jump shot and his own layups and dunks.


This is not to say that Martin isn't worthy of a max contract, of course.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by F-Dog
I don't see it, actually.

When I watch the Nets, it looks like K-Mart gets an awful lot of his points on layups, tip-ins and dunks. His outside shot is suspect, his post moves seem mechanical, and I can't remember seeing anything resembling a go-to move from him--something that ended with a high-percentage shot, anyway.

Marion at least has that driving floater, which has the potential to bridge the gap between his jump shot and his own layups and dunks.


This is not to say that Martin isn't worthy of a max contract, of course.

I agree. In fact I would go as far as to say that Kenyon Martin is roughly the power forward equivalent of Shawn Marion. They are both a bit undersized at their position, both of them are or are likely to be paid maximum, neither one of them is really a maximum player, but they are both valuable complementary players.

Joe Mama

 

[Billythekid]

Maybe i'm talking way too soon, but I doubt McDyess will resign. From what I see when he's in the game, no one passes the ball to him. He rarely if ever gets the ball in the post, AND he's playing behind the best, up and coming PF in the league, when probably he might be able to start next season if he has a decent off season. I think other teams would present far better opportunities then us, buuut only two games back i suppose i'm jumping the gun... I just hope he gets a lil more of the ball when in the game, and that again is silmply becoming familiar with the plays and PLAYERS.

I think i just answered my own question/statment. nm.

 

[Joe Mama]

Someone will give Antonio McDyess more money than the Suns are willing to give him. You can take that one to the Bank. That is assuming he doesn't hurt himself again. Frankly I don't think the sons would offer him anything above the veteran minimum, and he probably won't feel that guilty about leaving the valley in the first place.

Joe Mama

 

[BC867]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
Frankly I don't think the sons would offer him anything above the veteran minimum...

Jerry's not bringing any more sons into the business, is he, Joe?

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by BC867
Jerry's not bringing any more sons into the business, is he, Joe?

I know how you feel about Bryan Colangelo, so for your sake I hope not!

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

I've noticed Dice is not getting the ball as part of plays, but it is not clear how much he has practiced with the team at full speed.

The original article was speculating that the Nets would offer the small cap minumum or about $1.5 million. That would not make enough difference to matter.

Would anyone offer Dice $3 to $4 million? It depends on how much risk they are willing to take.

In another context, it was noted that the Colangelos have usually had good luck in keeping people and getting the people they want. The key is whether they WANT Dice.

Like every discussion on this board, it all comes down to Kobe. If the Suns signed Kobe, they would not be ABLE to offer more than veteran minimum. However, if they told Dice they would give him a one year $3 million contract if waits until Kobe is decided one way or another, the Suns could have a good chance.

WHY THE SUNS MIGHT WANT HIM

A lot depends on the draft. If the Suns got Okafor or Howard, they would probably not care if they had Dice. But if they do not, a healthy Dice could easily get 25-30 minutes a game backing up Amare and along with Amare in a small ball lineup.

Some of tt would depend on the relationship between Dice and Amare. Dice could become a mentor to Amare and push him to play better. One team as young as the Suns, a veteran like Dice could be extremely valuable.

Also, Stoudemire has lost time with injuries and this may be a continuing problem. Having a quality backup could prove invaluable.

WHY DICE MIGHT WANT TO STAY

I doubt that gratitude would be important. But he might not want to be forced to play 35 minutes a game on his knee - at least not for a while. Staying with the Suns would be a low pressure environment.

Dice may want to wait a year before seeking a long term contract. With his injury risk, no one is going to offer him a multi-year contract for more than about $2 a year. But if he is healthy all of next season and shows good stats, he could get a much better long term contract the following year. It is a gamble, but why lock into to a four year $8 to $10 million deal when waiting could generate a four year $20 to $25 million deal.

If the Suns fail to sign Kobe, they could easily match any one year deal that another team might offer and still pick up a mid level FA.

If the Suns do sign Kobe, Dice might decide he would like to stay and get a shot a ring.

WHATEVER

The original trade was based on the notion that the only value Dice would have would be his expiring contract. In a sense, the next 25 games or so provide an opportunity for the Suns to evaluate Dice, but the final decision is as if they were signing an FA.

 

[devilalum]

Originally posted by George O'Brien

WHY THE SUNS MIGHT WANT HIM

A lot depends on the draft. If the Suns got Okafor or Howard, they would probably not care if they had Dice. But if they do not, a healthy Dice could easily get 25-30 minutes a game backing up Amare and along with Amare in a small ball lineup.

Some of tt would depend on the relationship between Dice and Amare. Dice could become a mentor to Amare and push him to play better. One team as young as the Suns, a veteran like Dice could be extremely valuable.

What has McNugget ever done to make you think he would be a good mentor?

He is the poster child for why mentors are needed.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by devilalum
What has McNugget ever done to make you think he would be a good mentor?

He is the poster child for why mentors are needed.

I am speculating on what could happen. The opposite is just as possible as Dice could resent the fact that Amare does what he used to do.

I don't know enough about Dice to know if he is willing to play that kind of role. If he could, he might be a great teacher because Dice used to be a guy who relied entirely on his athletic ability, but later learned how to play the game.