News of the Game - Washington

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The same as everyone else's definition.

A penalty on 3rd down that puts you well behind the chains. Preferably after an actual drive where you moved the ball, not on your own 18.

2nd and 13 ain't a drive killer. They still have 2 plays to get the 13 yards.

If that's a drive killer every penalty is a drive killer.

This doesn’t take circumstances into consideration. When you are averaging 4.4 yards passing or rushing, 2nd and 13 still leaves you 4.2 yards shy of a first down. Not insurmountable, but certainly a mountain for sundays offense.

 

[CardNots]

This doesn’t take circumstances into consideration. When you are averaging 4.4 yards passing or rushing, 2nd and 13 still leaves you 4.2 yards shy of a first down. Not insurmountable, but certainly a mountain for sundays offense.

Except for the Cardinals. It’s a mountain…

 

[Chopper0080]

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This was great.

 

[TheCardFan]

Then every penalty that doesn't result in a first down multiple plays later must be considered a "drive killer" from now on.

Any offensive penalty during a drive where you don't end up getting a first down is a drive killer.

 

[BritCard]

Any offensive penalty during a drive where you don't end up getting a first down is a drive killer.

So a false start on 1st down giving you 1st and 15 and you don't get the first down is a drive killer? Just to be clear.

 

[EndZone]

Loved the write up, definitely not too much. You should send an in-depth write up as a news letter for the fans who would like to absorb this type of analysis for the Cards.

 

[TheCardFan]

So a false start on 1st down giving you 1st and 15 and you don't get the first down is a drive killer? Just to be clear.

Feel free to do your own research.

Let’s analyze drive killers — and the enormous effect they had on the Cowboys offense

For Dallas, penalties, sacks and negative plays are the difference between a top-five offense and a bottom-10 unit.

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[PACardsFan]

Drive Killer

His only penalty was an ineligible man downfield on 2nd and 8 on our own 18 that negated a 4 yard pass. Which became a 2nd and 13. Hardly a drive killer. And it was just at the start of Q2.

And he was about a yard down. Not great, but hardly unheard of.

Agree entirely, but keep in mind that BOTH of the OL downfield penalties were more of a timing issue than anything else. It was clear that Dobbs was very rusty & slow getting rid of the ball ALL day. Both of those penalties were on him & the 2nd one on Hernandez negated a beautiful play call by Petzing on the nice gain to Swaim that would have put us in position late in the game to regain the lead. No doubt that Dobbs needs more time in this offense to be where we need him to be in order to get a W before Murray returns.

 

[BritCard]

Feel free to do your own research.

Let’s analyze drive killers — and the enormous effect they had on the Cowboys offense

For Dallas, penalties, sacks and negative plays are the difference between a top-five offense and a bottom-10 unit.

theathletic.com

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That doesn't say what you think it says.

It says some penalties are drive killers. I agree. It specifically goes on to talk about holding penalties. It even goes through the stats.

On a clear drive teams score points 43% of the time. On a drive with any penalty that drops only a small amount to 39.6%. So all penalties are hardly drive killers.

Holding on 3rd and 2? Drive killer.

False start on 3rd and 6? Drive killer.

Holding on 2nd and 8? Probably a drive killer.

This from Fro in my opinion was not a drive killer. Maybe for this poor offense, not for any average offense.

 

[TheCardFan]

It says some penalties are drive killers. I agree.

We can agree to partially agree.

 

[Harry]

Actually several have mentioned it influencing their drafts. They don’t likely rate based on specific grades but they can tell how good someone played if they get a 46.9 grade.

 

[Harry]

The majority of the NFL subscribes because of their game charting data, not their phony baloney grades.

Actually several have mentioned it influencing their drafts. They don’t likely rate based on specific grades but they can tell how good someone played if they get a 46.9 grade.

 

[Garthshort]

Seems like someone is trying to 'support' their turnstyle take.

 

[kerouac9]

Actually several have mentioned it influencing their drafts. They don’t likely rate based on specific grades but they can tell how good someone played if they get a 46.9 grade.

I'll take your word for it. But we've heard enough from NFL players -- especially linemen -- who laugh at the grades PFF places on them because they have no idea.

Again, NFL teams subscribe to PFF because it gives them game tracking and charting data for like $3k that they'd pay a Quality Control Assistant $20k to do.

 

[Harry]

I'll take your word for it. But we've heard enough from NFL players -- especially linemen -- who laugh at the grades PFF places on them because they have no idea.

Again, NFL teams subscribe to PFF because it gives them game tracking and charting data for like $3k that they'd pay a Quality Control Assistant $20k to do.

Ever since Cris Collinswoth bought PFF they’ve gained credibility. I’m sure some teams have endorsed PFF because they know Cris, but most teams look at anything they can find that appears credible based on their previous work. No team uses them religiously, but everyone looks at their ranking.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ever since Cris Collinswoth bought PFF they’ve gained credibility. I’m sure some teams have endorsed PFF because they know Cris, but most teams look at anything they can find that appears credible based on their previous work. No team uses them religiously, but everyone looks at their ranking.

Like most things, it's another data point to consider and useful in it's context. There's no point considering it either gospel or heresy.