Next draft is huge for me on Monti

[Stout]

Monti's drafting has been very good. He's hitting on a very high % right now. These young guys are playing, contributing and getting better.
Paris, Marvin, Williams, Melton, Robinson, BJ, Reimer, Wilson et al have played meaningful minutes and will be the foundation. Hell, other than Elijah Jones, who has been injured, the top 10 picks from this year have been in 90% of the games this year.
Last year's class have all played and had impact and, other than injury and Tune being a backup QB, they've all been on the field 90% of the time when their healthy.

18 of his 21 picks have been on the field.

The flip side is that it was a gutted roster, not many of the youngsters weren't going to make the roster, and we are about as in desperate need of stars or at least high impact talent than we were two years ago.

 

[Stout]

Weird. Tell that to the chargers and Commies.

Yeah, an NFL rebuild should be 3-5 years...in the 70's, maybe. Certainly not in today's NFL.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Yeah, an NFL rebuild should be 3-5 years...in the 70's, maybe. Certainly not in today's NFL.

If you have or hit on a QB in the draft it can be turned around quickly.
The Bears, Pats, Titans, Raiders, Giants Panthers are all still on a rebuild.

Chargers had their QB. They were bad because of coaching.
Houston, Washington and Denver all hit on a rookie QB.

 

[kerouac9]

If you have or hit on a QB in the draft it can be turned around quickly.
The Bears, Pats, Titans, Raiders, Giants Panthers are all still on a rebuild.

Chargers had their QB. They were bad because of coaching.
Houston, Washington and Denver all hit on a rookie QB.

Weird because I don’t remember Denver winning four games last season, either.

 

[Stout]

If you have or hit on a QB in the draft it can be turned around quickly.
The Bears, Pats, Titans, Raiders, Giants Panthers are all still on a rebuild.

Chargers had their QB. They were bad because of coaching.
Houston, Washington and Denver all hit on a rookie QB.

Sure, you have to have a QB. We're talking about successful rebuilds, not ALL rebuilds. Hell, from the year I started as a cards fan, we went on a 10 year rebuild to win one playoff game.

The point is, a successful rebuild in no way, shape, or form should take upwards of 5 years. Two is what you should be shooting for. Monti's conservatism cost us the playoffs this season--along with Kyler's choking.

 

[kerouac9]

The flip side is that it was a gutted roster, not many of the youngsters weren't going to make the roster, and we are about as in desperate need of stars or at least high impact talent than we were two years ago.

This 100%. Garrett Williams seems legitimately good. Paris Johnson is fine. Michael Wilson and Dante Stills are league-average players. Max Melton looks like he’ll be fine.

Getting fine players in the draft only matters when you’re filling in around superstars. Monti has consistently lacked ambition and the willingness to take a chance on greatness.

 

[ajcardfan]

This 100%. Garrett Williams seems legitimately good. Paris Johnson is fine. Michael Wilson and Dante Stills are league-average players. Max Melton looks like he’ll be fine.

Getting fine players in the draft only matters when you’re filling in around superstars. Monti has consistently lacked ambition and the willingness to take a chance on greatness.

I think he pretty obviously took a chance on greatness with MHJ.

But, yeah, Monti dropped the ball on Zach Allen and Will Anderson.

 

[kerouac9]

I think he pretty obviously took a chance on greatness with MHJ.

But, yeah, Monti dropped the ball on Zach Allen and Will Anderson.

Nah. Charmin was and remains the saftest pick in the draft save maybe Joe Alt. Nabers would have been taking a chance on greatness.

 

[GatorAZ]

Nah. Charmin was and remains the saftest pick in the draft save maybe Joe Alt. Nabers would have been taking a chance on greatness.

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Nabers would be cooking in this offense ngl
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[Chopper0080]

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Nabers would be cooking in this offense ngl
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Not with Kyler.

 

[DVontel]

Not with Kyler.

You are being OD.

Nabers takes that screen pass for a TD from any starting & backup QB in the league.


Marv isn’t.

 

[kerouac9]

You are being OD.

Nabers takes that screen pass for a TD from any starting & backup QB in the league.


Marv isn’t.

We don’t throw many of those screens though.

 

[DVontel]

We don’t throw many of those screens though.

I believe that’s because of our WR personnel.

 

[GatorAZ]

We don’t throw many of those screens though.

We don’t have explosive YAC receivers above 5’7”.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

This 100%. Garrett Williams seems legitimately good. Paris Johnson is fine. Michael Wilson and Dante Stills are league-average players. Max Melton looks like he’ll be fine.

Getting fine players in the draft only matters when you’re filling in around superstars. Monti has consistently lacked ambition and the willingness to take a chance on greatness.

I think PJJ will be better than fine. Won’t be Orlando Pace but will be better than Hump was.

 

[kerouac9]

I think PJJ will be better than fine. Won’t be Orlando Pace but will be better than Hump was.

Okay but the value of better than Hump and actually Hump is marginal in terms of adding win potential.

The value of going from, like, Bradley Chubb to Khalil Mack is much more impactful.

 

[PDXChris]

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Nabers would be cooking in this offense ngl
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Except that play would go to Dorch and Nabers would be downfield expected to block in this offense

 

[602 Native]

Strange McBride can get 1k yards from K1 but somehow Marv is held back.

Meanwhile Nabers looks to be the next Chase/Jefferson

 

[Harry]

Weird. Tell that to the chargers and Commies.

There are always exceptions. The biggest is hitting on a QB. The verdict is out if the Cards did.

 

[Harry]

If comparing Harrison to Nabors was valid, Michael Clayton outgained Fitz 1193 to 780. Whose career would you rather have?

 

[PDXChris]

Giants about to move from the #1 pick to #6. Hahahaha! Daboll's parting gift! He also knocked the Colts from the playoffs.

 

[Chopper0080]

You are being OD.

Nabers takes that screen pass for a TD from any starting & backup QB in the league.


Marv isn’t.

I think I put in the draft thread that I felt Nabers was a better fit for Kyler because he creates more space. I think Nabers is good at taking slants and screens and digs to the house but I don’t know those are Kyler’s best throws. Also, because of McBride, I don’t think AZ would use Nabers as much in the middle of the field. Just my opinion.

 

[GatorAZ]

If comparing Harrison to Nabors was valid, Michael Clayton outgained Fitz 1193 to 780. Whose career would you rather have?

Fitz then and Nabers now. Then again I’m not going to use the most extreme rookie outlier version in history to form my opinion though.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Getting fine players in the draft only matters when you’re filling in around superstars. Monti has consistently lacked ambition and the willingness to take a chance on greatness.

I still have no idea how Monti plans on acquiring great players. He has shown no interest in doing so in FA or through trade.

 

[Russ Smith]

How did they revamp their defense?

We have had a tougher SOS but outrank them in total yards allowed (18th to 25th), yards per play (19th to 25th), rushing yards per game (19th to 24th), passing yards per game (14th to 20th) and points per game (14th to 15th).

Yes, they found a couple of nice players on D, but our D outperformed them.

They have almost a completely new front in a couple of drafts. Verse, Fiske, Young, Turner all those guys came in the last 2 drafts. Any of those 4 would be instantly our best pass rusher if we had them.