NFL Network talks up Cutler to be a top 5 pick

[clif]

Umm justified to pass on him or justified to get negative play in the press?

if they pass on him.. justified to get negative press

 

[devilfan02]

I'm sure I'm repeating some posts on this subject, but the guy on NFL Networks is insane. I watched the practice yesterday and he rates Cutler ahead of Young and Leinart, which is fine, but the way he justifies it is crazy. They were showing highlights of him from his Vandy days and the NFL Network guy spends a majority of his time talking about his poor footwork, his mechanics are bad, and he has a gun slinger mentality. However, he says that all that can be overlooked by his unbelievable arm strength. Then they showed Cutler at the South Team practice and he looked absolutely horrible. His picture is next to the definition of "happy feet" and he constantly throws off his back foot. He is a bigger version of the Jake Plummer we saw on Sunday. No thanks, bring on LenDale!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

If we pass on Matt Leinart becuase we have Warner, Navarre, and Davey we should and deserve to be banished from the NFL. Cutler's rise doesn't shock me. It happens every year to a Sneior Bowl QB like Jason Campbell, Phillip Rivers, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Josh McCown, etc. Which again begs the question: if these guys are so great then how come they haven't been noticed the last four years and have to rely on some BS "All Star game" to get into the first round ?

 

[spanky1]

Cutler is on the North team. Yes I agree......please no to him in the 1st round.

 

[devilfan02]

If we pass on Matt Leinart becuase we have Warner, Navarre, and Davey we should and deserve to be banished from the NFL. Cutler's rise doesn't shock me. It happens every year to a Sneior Bowl QB like Jason Campbell, Phillip Rivers, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Josh McCown, etc. Which again begs the question: if these guys are so great then how come they haven't been noticed the last four years and have to rely on some BS "All Star game" to get into the first round ?

You would hope we wouldn't pass on Leinart if he fell to us. There's no way in hell he would fall to us. I'm with you on the no names who get all the hype at the senior bowl. I need to find the name of that guy on NFL Networks. He is the absolute worst and should never be allowed to cover the NFL again. What a joke

 

[Redsz]

He is a bigger version of the Jake Plummer we saw on Sunday.

That is exactly who I thought of when I first saw him. I would rather not go through Jake Plummer 2.0.

And arm strength is the most overated trait in a QB. Give me a QB with touch and accuracy on his passes than a guy who can throw a ball over the mountains anyday of the week.

 

[clif]

I'm sure I'm repeating some posts on this subject, but the guy on NFL Networks is insane. I watched the practice yesterday and he rates Cutler ahead of Young and Leinart, which is fine, but the way he justifies it is crazy. They were showing highlights of him from his Vandy days and the NFL Network guy spends a majority of his time talking about his poor footwork, his mechanics are bad, and he has a gun slinger mentality. However, he says that all that can be overlooked by his unbelievable arm strength. Then they showed Cutler at the South Team practice and he looked absolutely horrible. His picture is next to the definition of "happy feet" and he constantly throws off his back foot. He is a bigger version of the Jake Plummer we saw on Sunday. No thanks, bring on LenDale!

what practice where you watching? The guy made some bad passes no doubt, but he also made some very good passes as well. Did you see the 25-30 yard in route? Did you see the strike he put on the TE running the seam? Come on...if you are going to trash the guy at least make a fair assessment. Mayock made it clear that Cutler has some footwork issues that need to be worked out, but for a guy that just started practicing with a group of guys (not to mention a level of talent he hasn't had) he did pretty well. Would it be a risky pick at 10? Of course, but don't just trash the guy to pimp some other player.

 

[clif]

You would hope we wouldn't pass on Leinart if he fell to us. There's no way in hell he would fall to us. I'm with you on the no names who get all the hype at the senior bowl. I need to find the name of that guy on NFL Networks. He is the absolute worst and should never be allowed to cover the NFL again. What a joke

Mike Mayock? The guy's been covering the NFL for years (if not decades)...

 

[devilfan02]

what practice where you watching? The guy made some bad passes no doubt, but he also made some very good passes as well. Did you see the 25-30 yard in route? Did you see the strike he put on the TE running the seam? Come on...if you are going to trash the guy at least make a fair assessment. Mayock made it clear that Cutler has some footwork issues that need to be worked out, but for a guy that just started practicing with a group of guys (not to mention a level of talent he hasn't had) he did pretty well. Would it be a risky pick at 10? Of course, but don't just trash the guy to pimp some other player.

Mayock ranked him his #1 QB and then talked over and over about his bad footwork, throws off his back foot, and makes bad decisions. Sure, he made some good throws. That would be expected of a top-5 pick throwing to above avg recievers with no rush coming at him. However, I noticed more of the throws that went 10 feet above Derek Hagens head on a 15 yd and out. Or throwing completely behind a couple recievers on slants. He's the next coming of Plummer (on his bad days) as he has the definition of Happy Feet, makes horrible reads, and constantly throws off his back foot. The last thing we need is a project like Cutler with the 10th pick. The most NFL ready QB is Leinart, without a doubt

 

[devilfan02]

Mike Mayock? The guy's been covering the NFL for years (if not decades)...

Well then, he's an idiot

 

[CardinalChris]

Dan Patrick's guest was Chris Mortenson who says he has talked to several teams that have cutler going as high as #2, and rated above one, if not both of the Leinart and Young. Take it for what it is worth, but the kid is the fad this year.

 

[clif]

Mayock ranked him his #1 QB and then talked over and over about his bad footwork, throws off his back foot, and makes bad decisions. Sure, he made some good throws. That would be expected of a top-5 pick throwing to above avg recievers with no rush coming at him. However, I noticed more of the throws that went 10 feet above Derek Hagens head on a 15 yd and out. Or throwing completely behind a couple recievers on slants. He's the next coming of Plummer (on his bad days) as he has the definition of Happy Feet, makes horrible reads, and constantly throws off his back foot. The last thing we need is a project like Cutler with the 10th pick. The most NFL ready QB is Leinart, without a doubt

Well let me be clear. Leinart would be the guy I would take, but we all know he won't be there.

Where are you getting that he makes bad reads or has happy feet?

I know for a fact that you could not have gotten that from the coverage they had yesterday. They only showed him make 4-5 passes and at least two were right on the money. One was over the receivers head out of bounds.. one was right in Hagan's hands and he dropped it (he also dropped 2-3 others per ESPN) and the other I remember him clearly having bad foot work on a dump off (in which Mayock ripped him for)

Even when he did throw off his back foot he threw a strike.

Again I am not saying he is the top QB, but I can see why some would think he can be.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

If we pass on Matt Leinart becuase we have Warner, Navarre, and Davey we should and deserve to be banished from the NFL. Cutler's rise doesn't shock me. It happens every year to a Sneior Bowl QB like Jason Campbell, Phillip Rivers, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Josh McCown, etc. Which again begs the question: if these guys are so great then how come they haven't been noticed the last four years and have to rely on some BS "All Star game" to get into the first round ?

Cutler was going in the first round before the Senior Bowl. Too much buzz now for weeks.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

This isnt coming out of thin air guys...once again he was picked SEC pleyer of the year in the preseason by coaches ( the first i heard of him was in a story relating how Leak was upset that they picked Cutler over him) and he beat a much more talented Tenessee team in Knoxville this year.

One thing i dont like is "happy feet" and not having good accuracy. To me those are the biggest indicators of NFL bust, strong arm nonwithstanding....

 

[ajcardfan]

This isnt coming out of thin air guys...once again he was picked SEC pleyer of the year in the preseason by coaches ( the first i heard of him was in a story relating how Leak was upset that they picked Cutler over him) and he beat a much more talented Tenessee team in Knoxville this year.

One thing i dont like is "happy feet" and not having good accuracy. To me those are the biggest indicators of NFL bust, strong arm nonwithstanding....

Yeah, but I call BS on this "top 5 player" and "best QB" stuff.

NO ONE was saying that at the end of the season. What did he do in the last two months of not playing to leapfrog Leinart and Young? Let's see...Leinart had an excellent game and Young had one of the best performances ever in a HUGE game and that causes them to drop behind Cutler? Uh, nope, I don't think so. This is smoke.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

I call BS on this "top 5 player" and "best QB" stuff........ This is smoke.

I agree that about the Top 5 stuff. But I don't think it is purposeful. I think NFL Scouts sometimes have a little bit of a short term memory, and a flair for saying the dramatic. Remember back in 2003 when everybody and nobody was the number 1 pick?? It was changing daily.

I'd rate them:

Leinart
Young
Cutler

Leinart's limitations are obviously physical. The pass that IMO, that was most successful at USC was that lob in between the safety and over the top of the corner. I think he completed like 5 of those against ASU. Those type of passes aren't even attempted in the NFL. So can he throw the deep out?? Can he throw the ball over the top of the safety?? How much zip will he have when having to throw through a tight window on a crossing pattern??

Young's limitations have been talked about at great length's.

I believe Cutler is not as physically talented as Young. Not the arm nor the legs. But he is a really tough kid. Seriously reminds me of Elway, and some would say that is a bad thing because until late in Elway's career he always tossed a lot of picks. Bad team, good player. Leinart is just more ready for next year. Young has more upside.

 

[JeffGollin]

Cautionary Word

'Tis the time of year when we tend to let conventional wisdom, fan enthusiasm and media hype blot out what we see with our own eyes.

Then, toward the end of the following season, we kick ourselves for not sticking to our guns about guys we thought would turn out to be stars or busts.

This is a good year for watching a mess of tape. Whether you're pro-Cutler, anti-Cutler or noncommital, I strongly urge you to trust what you see and be influenced less by what "everyone else" says.

 

[Snakester]

'Tis the time of year when we tend to let conventional wisdom, fan enthusiasm and media hype blot out what we see with our own eyes.

Then, toward the end of the following season, we kick ourselves for not sticking to our guns about guys we thought would turn out to be stars or busts.

This is a good year for watching a mess of tape. Whether you're pro-Cutler, anti-Cutler or noncommital, I strongly urge you to trust what you see and be influenced less by what "everyone else" says.

You are so right. Never mind the smoke and mirrors and the hear say. Watch these guys yourself and form your own opinion.

 

[clif]

Chris (Lacey, WA): Better NFL QB, Aaron Rodgers or Jay Culter?

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Todd McShay: (2:04 PM ET ) Cutler. He's bigger, stronger and smarter. His arm strength is excellent and his accuracy will only improve with better coaching and polished mechanics.

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Todd McShay: (2:05 PM ET ) Cutler is clearly the best QB at the Senior Bowl this week, and it's safe to say that he's making ground on Matt Leinart and Vince Young, the top-two QB prospects in this year's class right now.

 

[red desert]

What I heard Mayock say about Cutler is that he has the arm, but has a long way to go getting his mechanics down.

I'm a bit leery of placing potential above production.

To me, what Mayock is saying is: "You gotta check out this guy." But at some point during the practices, Combine and workouts, Cutler (or anyone else) will have to prove on the field that he can produce.

For me, this means tagging Cutler as someone to watch, but by no means rating him as high as the #3 QB prospect; let alone a top 5 player unless he proves otherwise during the next several weeks.

Perhaps a team in the top half of the draft can afford roll the dice on the potential of someone as physically talented as, say, a Vince Young. But I thought Cutler looked rather ordinary during yesterday's drills in Mobil. True, we only got a glimpse of him, but with the stakes so high, the burden of proof is on Jay to show more.

That's not what I heard Mayock say. I heard him say that the kid has a cannon of an arm, looks great in the pocket, and no negative comment on his mechanics. He also said that the kid is justifying his (Mayock's) preseason belief that he's a top 5 pick. Maycock went on to say that he doesn't think he'll last past number 10. Nor should he.