NFL Supports Call In GB/SEA Game

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of course they do. This isn't a Buffalo Wild Wings commercial. "We totally blew that call. But don't worry, we'll make it up"
 

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Wow. I was wrong. All last night, I was repeating what was on ESPN: that replay didn't have an option to overturn the call in the booth. I thought their choices were limited to upholding the TD or ruling it an incompletion. And since the correct answer was "C: None of the Above", the call on the field had to stand.

Apparently, they did have the authority to determine which team had possession.

To me, this letter is even more damning for the NFL. It means they screwed up twice on the same call. And the League supports it.
 

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While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

This part is what made me the most angry. I think there are many arguments and intepretations to be made, and there is NO WAY the booth could overturn the call...needed indisputable.

But the Offensive PI should have been called.

Also, the two refs should have conferred, the head ref should have came in and discussed, and they should have called whatever they called in complete agreement. They are taking 5 minutes per call anyway, but on a very close and controversial call, the two refs glance at each other and signal the complete opposite calls.

Those two elements make this ridiculous, IMO. The play was a tough one to call, by the rules, even for regular refs. But they bungled it terribly by missing the PI and then by not being on the same page.
 

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This part is what made me the most angry. I think there are many arguments and intepretations to be made, and there is NO WAY the booth could overturn the call...needed indisputable.

But the Offensive PI should have been called.

Also, the two refs should have conferred, the head ref should have came in and discussed, and they should have called whatever they called in complete agreement. They are taking 5 minutes per call anyway, but on a very close and controversial call, the two refs glance at each other and signal the complete opposite calls.

Those two elements make this ridiculous, IMO. The play was a tough one to call, by the rules, even for regular refs. But they bungled it terribly by missing the PI and then by not being on the same page.

This never happened.

Here is my conspiracy theory for the day. The two officials conferred. One says "touch back". Because of the 12th Man, the other one thinks he said "Touchdown". Once he makes the incorrect signal, the correct official backs down, fearing a riot in the home team's stadium. Meanwhile, the head ref is running over to the replay booth without straightening out the right call on the field, which severely limits the options to overturn the call under the hood.
 

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Wow. I was wrong. All last night, I was repeating what was on ESPN: that replay didn't have an option to overturn the call in the booth. I thought their choices were limited to upholding the TD or ruling it an incompletion. And since the correct answer was "C: None of the Above", the call on the field had to stand.

Apparently, they did have the authority to determine which team had possession.

To me, this letter is even more damning for the NFL. It means they screwed up twice on the same call. And the League supports it.

Yep if they had called it an INT live it would have been an INT, if they called it a TD live it's a TD.

But Pereira and austin are wrong about not reviewing possession since the nFL clearly says you can in the endzone.

So how in the world do they conclude Tate had possession when he had Jennings not the ball?
 

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Is this Extraordinary Enough?

Found this on another Board. Apparently the NFL doesn't want to go down this road. Can of worms and all that.

Section 2 Extraordinarily Unfair Acts

COMMISSIONER AUTHORITY

Article 1 The Commissioner has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game which he deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of the game.

NO CLUB PROTESTS

Article 2 The authority and measures provided for in this entire Section 2 do not constitute a protest machinery for NFL clubs to avail themselves of in the event a dispute arises over the result of a game. The investigation called for in this Section 2 will be conducted solely on the Commissioner’s initiative to review an act or occurrence that he deems so extraordinary or unfair that the result of the game in question would be inequitable to one of the participating teams. The Commissioner will not apply his authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning judgmental errors or routine errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed.

PENALTIES FOR UNFAIR ACTS

Article 3 The Commissioner’s powers under this Section 2 include the imposition of monetary fines and draft-choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved in unfair acts, and, if appropriate, the reversal of a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the extraordinary act occurred. In the event of rescheduling a game, the Commissioner will be guided by the procedures specified in Rule 17, Section 1, Articles 5 through 11, above. In all cases, the Commissioner will conduct a full investigation, including the opportunity for hearings, use of game videotape, and any other procedure he deems appropriate.
 

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No, it isn't. That's more for point shaving, throwing a game, etc. Or an earthquake making a FG miss or something weird like that. Not for normal, everyday ineptitude.
 

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No, it isn't. That's more for point shaving, throwing a game, etc. Or an earthquake making a FG miss or something weird like that. Not for normal, everyday ineptitude.

Working with legislation all day long, I want to see the word "calamity" defined in the rules before I shut the door on it completely. I'm a nerd like that.
 

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I've just written the NFL calling for resignations or firing of all the people in carge of not taking care of the players,coaches and most of all us fans. I think we should all declare war on the nfl and refuse to buy stuff like jerseys and mugs till they settle this thing.

After four time outs we would have lost our first game if our Defence were not as good as they are. After last night and after 50 years of watching I'm fed up.

On top ogf all this many players will get hurt because of this incompetence on the field.

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I've just written the NFL calling for resignations or firing of all the people in carge of not taking care of the players,coaches and most of all us fans. I think we should all declare war on the nfl and refuse to buy stuff like jerseys and mugs till they settle this
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Go ahead, stand in line with about 20 others...people simply won't do it. No matter what we as fans do or say, nothing will change this IMO. This lockout is between 32 billionaire$ & the refs & it doesnt sound like either is budging. I agree with what your saying, but it's just not reality or going to happen.
 

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This just in Jim Jones is in favor of everyone drinking the Kool-Aid. Don't worry about those people down on the ground. Drink up.

Of course the NFL is going to back them. Because in life, when boneheads make idiotic moves, they double down on it by 'circling the wagons'.

This is a pathetic attempt to mold reality by utilizing the supposed legitimacy of the overall NFL to change public *perception* that the call was a bad one.
 

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Wow. I was wrong. All last night, I was repeating what was on ESPN: that replay didn't have an option to overturn the call in the booth. I thought their choices were limited to upholding the TD or ruling it an incompletion. And since the correct answer was "C: None of the Above", the call on the field had to stand.

Apparently, they did have the authority to determine which team had possession.

To me, this letter is even more damning for the NFL. It means they screwed up twice on the same call. And the League supports it.

I'm not criticizing you, but Austin's explanation never seemed right in my mind.
Pretty sad when a ref of 20+ years in the league doesn't even know the rules! :bang: I'm thinking the NFL owners are right...make these guys do this full time or take a hike.
 

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I'm not criticizing you, but Austin's explanation never seemed right in my mind.
Pretty sad when a ref of 20+ years in the league doesn't even know the rules! :bang: I'm thinking the NFL owners are right...make these guys do this full time or take a hike.

Maybe the NFL should take my lead and admit they were wrong!!! :D
 

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They never ruled on the field really. They went to the replay booth.

When all else fails, use the crutch, which screws over anyone.

The call on the field should of been interception. They should of huddled together and made that call. One of the refs standing right there was indicating it, thus there was disagreement. One guy saw it correctly.

Instead we got a walk to the idiot box to cover their butts, but since they don't know the rules, they didn't realize that act in of itself made the mistake larger in scope and irreversible.

As for the past refs, I think they were viewing it through a different lens, it never would have gotten there.

Yes they could of ruled incomplete pass on that replay, as where was it actually completed to a seahawks receiver? It wasn't one hand on the ball and the ball wedged against the player's own helmet. The ball was in possession of Jennings and in his chest at that point.

So really either way they could of made the right call. Either on the field. Or through an error but through a technicality, the right call of incomplete (as to a catch for the Seahawks) since the replay takes out the interception possibility.

These refs made probably 5-10 errors just on that play. But people will see it as one maybe two. (and in some cases none)
 

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They never ruled on the field really. They went to the replay booth.

When all else fails, use the crutch, which screws over anyone.

The call on the field should of been interception. They should of huddled together and made that call. One of the refs standing right there was indicating it, thus there was disagreement. One guy saw it correctly.

Instead we got a walk to the idiot box to cover their butts, but since they don't know the rules, they didn't realize that act in of itself made the mistake larger in scope and irreversible.

As for the past refs, I think they were viewing it through a different lens, it never would have gotten there.

Yes they could of ruled incomplete pass on that replay, as where was it actually completed to a seahawks receiver? It wasn't one hand on the ball and the ball wedged against the player's own helmet. The ball was in possession of Jennings and in his chest at that point.

So really either way they could of made the right call. Either on the field. Or through an error but through a technicality, the right call of incomplete (as to a catch for the Seahawks) since the replay takes out the interception possibility.

These refs made probably 5-10 errors just on that play. But people will see it as one maybe two. (and in some cases none)

That they absolutely could not do. It was a completed pass...the question is to whom? I say Jennings. I don't buy the one hand on the ball as being simultaneous possession, while wrapped around his back.

You can not call it an incompletion. It is technically impossible. The ball never hit the ground, and nobody was out of bounds.

You are right, they should have huddled and made a call they all agreed with. Signalling two different things made it worse.

But if they didn't miss the damn Offensive PI in the first place, the game would be over.
 

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I realistically didn't expect the League to reverse the outcome, but it really pissed me off that they issued a formal statement claiming that the call was correct.

Do whatcha gotta due, guys, but don't play millions of viewers for suckers.

Just quietly live with the decision & shaddup.
 

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Yes the Ravens are happy to see familiar faces- faces the have known for year- that know how they play- and players no how they make calls!
In other words of course there regular officials bias toward east coast teams!

I remember the ticky tack calls against the Cardinals and the muggings non calls on the Ravens nealy every play. Remember how they came back 3 scores in the 4th 1/4- First down after first down by penalty- Look at whatheir 2ndary got away with! It is damn criminal act! I tell you!

link
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20111...ab=analyze&menu=highlights&analyze=playbyplay

Soon as a pet team gets treated like The Cardinals all hell breaks loose! Cause the replacement refs - while not good - were fair - They didn't know which franchise had the biggest carrots or the sticks,

i hope that is what the owners wanted in the CBA. FAIRNESS - from the old school official protecting their pension for 5 more years before the new guys get a 401 K.
while blocking young officials from entering their ranks.

Bet you the browns get screwed and it is no big deal- Ravens fans spread the biggest BS Chant ever last week against NE.
 
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Yes the Ravens are happy to see familiar faces- faces the have known for year- that know how they play- and players no how they make calls!
In other words of course there regular officials bias toward east coast teams!

I remember the ticky tack calls against the Cardinals and the muggings non calls on the Ravens nealy every play. Remember how they came back 3 scores in the 4th 1/4- First down after first down by penalty- Look at whatheir 2ndary got away with! It is damn criminal act! I tell you!

link
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20111...ab=analyze&menu=highlights&analyze=playbyplay

Soon as a pet team gets treated like The Cardinals all hell breaks loose! Cause the replacement refs - while not good - were fair - They didn't know which franchise had the biggest carrots or the sticks,

i hope that is what the owners wanted in the CBA. FAIRNESS - from the old school official protecting their pension for 5 more years before the new guys get a 401 K.
while blocking young officials from entering their ranks.

Bet you the browns get screwed and it is no big deal- Ravens fans spread the biggest BS Chant ever last week against NE.

yup, Brown gets blocked into the punt returner and they call him for interference...things are back to normal :)
 

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