NHL lockout expected tonight

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By Jerry Brown, Tribune
The date that has been ingrained — and elicited fear — in the minds of NHL players, management and fans for years, has finally arrived.

It's been circled and highlighted on the calendar as a day when hockey as we know it would change, when a sport that has struggled to maintain its status as the fourth major in the United States would disappear, fingers crossed that anyone will care when it finally comes back.

Sept. 15, 2004: Welcome to the end.

The collective bargaining agreement between players and owners — the same one that ended a 103-day stoppage in 1994 and has since been renewed twice — expires at 9 p.m., Arizona time, today, and a rubber stamp vote by the league's board of governors in New York will leave players locked out of training camps, the 2004-05 season in jeopardy and the very sport in peril.

Talks between the two sides, an exercise in futility for more than two years, broke off Thursday after the NHL flatly rejected a proposal by the NHL players' association that did not include what owners call “cost certainty'' and what players call a salary cap for teams expected to be between $30 million to $35 million.

“(The offer wasn't) anything other than a pre-orchestrated move to not make a meaningful proposal,’’ Bill Daly, the NHL’s chief legal officer, said in a statement. ‘‘They believe their best deal will be negotiated in a work stoppage situation and that’s unfortunate for our sport.’’

The offer came after the players rejected six different proposals from the owners, all with cost certainty at the core.

‘‘At some point, the owners have to realize the players will never accept a salary cap or a system linking payroll to league revenues,’’ NHLPA president and Vancouver center Trevor Linden said in a statement. ‘‘Unfortunately, the owners have expressed no willingness to engage in any dialogue that could lead to a fair agreement for both sides.’’

The owners say that presently, nearly 76 percent of all revenues are going to the players, that 19 of the 30 teams are losing money (a total of $273 million), that salaries have increased from an average of $733,000 in 1994-95 to $1.83 million last year while revenues haven't kept up, even though the average NHL ticket price has gone from $29.75 to $48.37 over the last decade.

The owners have built a “war chest'' of $300 million and many teams, including the Phoenix Coyotes, will do better financially during a lockout than during another season under the old CBA. The NHLPA has been squirreling away licensing fees for the past two years to pay stipends, medical benefits and insurance premiums.

There are no new talks scheduled, and no visible middle ground once the two sides are coaxed back to the table. Fade to black.

Optimists feel a deal can be reached by the first of the year, leaving another shortened season and a full playoffs. Others think the 2004-05 season will be lost, and both sides will get serious next fall, with talks of union-busting becoming more popular.

For the Phoenix Coyotes, it's the best and worst of times. A new, cost-certain CBA would pull the team out of red ink. The uncertain labor future this summer left free agents prepared to take substantial pay cuts and many of the teams that usually go shopping left on the sidelines. As a result, five free agents (Boyd Devereaux, Sean O'Donnell, Mike Ricci, Brett Hull and Petr Nedved) slipped on Coyotes sweaters during the offseason, transforming the roster from thin and hopeful to deep and confident. The Coyotes also re-signed all their own free agents, with some taking pay cuts in return for multiple-year contracts.

But now with his desk clear, Phoenix general manager Mike Barnett must feel like he's ready to drive his new sports car, only to discover the keys are locked inside.

“We've done everything possible under our control to be ready for a season,'' Barnett said. “The issue of the new collective bargaining agreement is in the capable hands of Mr. Daly and (NHL Commissioner Gary) Mr. Bettman, and we await what transpires.''

Some of the Coyotes players aren't waiting around. Ladislav Nagy will play in Slovakia, while Nedved will play in the Czech Republic. Oleg Saprykin and Andrei Nazarov will play in Russia, while Daniel Cleary (Sweden) and Krys Kolanos (Switzerland) are trying to finalize deals — all of which allow them to return to the NHL if and when play resumes this season.

Some Coyotes (Mike Comrie, Mike Johnson and Devereaux) may take part in the Original Stars League, a series of Canadian exhibition games featuring four teams playing four-on-four hockey, or a winter league slated for Quebec if the lockout continues. Others, like stars Shane Doan, Brett Hull and Derek Morris, will sit tight for now and see what happens next.

Hull, who has been an outspoken critic of the foot-dragging by both sides in the negotiations, is worried the game he's played all his life is in trouble. “If it takes getting an independent arbitrator to (solve the stalemate), I think it's got to be done,'' he said recently. “I don't see how anybody who cares about the game can let this fester because they know it's just going to ruin it. “Both sides have valid points. But if they're smart enough to realize that, they're smart enough to realize which ones are the most important and work with that.''

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Rivercard said:


All this, "Dont touch offensive players or we call holding" crap. I rmember game 7 1992 Islanders and Penguins (I was a HUGE isles fan). The pemguins had won the cup the year before. This was the 2nd round, our star Turgeon was out because of a cheap hit by after scoring the series winning goal against the capitals.

Anywho game 7...overtime....my favorite player kasparitis SITTING on Lemeiux punching his lights out as volek scores the game/series winner.

Oh the good old days of goons are gone. And now so it hockey. Coincidence? I think not.
 

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I think you're describing two different things: the instigator penalty and clutching and grabbing. The late 70's to early 90's had neither. Now we have both, which is why the quality has gone towards the middle. There's nothing wrong with calling holding, IMO, but they wouldn't have to call it as much if the enforcers were able to protect the star players without the additional penalty for "instigating."
 

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The sport was ruined by expansion. The lack of true NHL caliber talent to fill 30 teams in this league diluted the sport and brought about the trap in an effort for teams of lesser talent to be able to compete.

In addition, the sport was ruined by expansion by providing teams with a false sense of financial security. Expansion fees helped fund some of the league's top salaries and caused them to escalate to a point that the league could not handle. There has never been a solid TV contract in place to help the teams continue to shell out the kind of money they were doing in the 90's. When expansion dried up, so did the extra funds to pay the high salaries.

The NHL was always a blue-collar league that the average Joe could afford. The sport was fast and exciting, and still can be, but the NHL is clueless on most issues that would bring that game back.

I lived and breathed this sport almost my whole life, and even I cannot stand to watch it very much any more. It is simply not the same game. Sure, the playoffs are exciting, but aside from that, it is extremely overpriced entertainment.

To sum it up, expansion, the trap and escalating salaries without a substantial TV deal ruined the league.
 

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This lock out is getting very little press at least hear in the states. Anybody been to Canada?
 

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Hordispack said:
This lock out is getting very little press at least hear in the states. Anybody been to Canada?

That is because outside of the hockey fan world, no one really cares. This just goes to show the NHL that they are really the most inferior of all sports leagues in this country, including all ranks of college and pro.

Hockey has moved from the backseat of the American sports scene to the trunk, and the longer this lockout lasts, the less anyone will care.

It's too bad, because just 8 years ago, when the first lockout was gone and forgotten, hockey was really on the upswing. The NHL may never fully recover from this.

The only solution will be retraction. They need to eliminate about 6 teams, cut the schedule to 72 games, start the playoffs in late March so the Finals are on in May, cut salaries and lower ticket prices. The NHL and NHLPA are both run by incompetent fools.
 

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I agree. I think the players may have cut their own throats. They did this (supposedly) for the younger/ lower paid players. These are the guys who may very well never see professional hockey again. :shrug:
And what about all the non players who depend on this sport for income? I haven't heard anyone mention them.
 

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At some point, the owners have to realize the players will never accept a salary cap or a system linking payroll to league revenues" Why not :confused:
 

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SunCardfan said:
At some point, the owners have to realize the players will never accept a salary cap or a system linking payroll to league revenues" Why not :confused:

Actually, the owners are betting that the players will cave. And I think they eventually will. The PA is going to get a lot of heat from the guys that do want to play and realize that even with a cap they are going to make damn good money, a huge amount more than if they were playing in Europe or where ever.
 

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Actually I think the following will happen:

In December - when the drop dead time for the entire season is upon them the Union will start to move forward with some sort of offer. It will be rejected by the NHL. Volley back and forth with offers.

Then, in January, I predict the NHL will state that are not getting what they need from the players, scratch the entire season, declare impasse, open the doors on their terms, and those who want to come back will for the 2005-2006 season.

I really believe they will break the union
 

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Stronso said:
Actually I think the following will happen:

In December - when the drop dead time for the entire season is upon them the Union will start to move forward with some sort of offer. It will be rejected by the NHL. Volley back and forth with offers.

Then, in January, I predict the NHL will state that are not getting what they need from the players, scratch the entire season, declare impasse, open the doors on their terms, and those who want to come back will for the 2005-2006 season.

I really believe they will break the union

Good call, Stronso! :thumbup:

NHL, union to resume negotiations

Associated Press
Dec. 2, 2004 12:00 AM

NEW YORK - The NHL and the players' association will resume talks next week in an effort to end the 78-day lockout and save the season.

After nearly three months of silence on and off the ice, the sides agreed Thursday to meet in Toronto on Dec. 9. Talks might continue into a second day, NHL spokesman Frank Brown said.

Those plans were made after players' association executive director Bob Goodenow sent a letter to NHL commissioner Gary Bettman on Thursday, inviting the league back to the negotiating table. The letter also said the union was working on a new proposal.

No official talks have occurred since Sept. 9, when the union made its last offer.

"There's been a lot of rumblings for the last couple of weeks that they were preparing something and that this might be imminent so I can't say I was shocked," Bill Daly, the NHL's chief legal officer, told The Associated Press. "I hope to be optimistic. We'll see what they have to bring to the table."

The most recent offer by the NHLPA was a luxury tax-based deal that was rejected by the league, and the lockout began one week later. As of Thursday, 334 regular-season games, plus the 2005 All-Star game, have been wiped out.

Bettman has said that a luxury tax won't work for the 30 NHL teams, which he claims are losing money at a pace that makes it impossible for the league to survive under the current system. He is seeking "cost certainty" for the clubs, which the union says is tantamount to a salary cap - a solution it refuses to accept.

The players' association said its new proposal should provide the basis for a new collective bargaining agreement.

"Almost three months have passed since the players made their last proposal and we have yet to receive a counteroffer from the league," Goodenow said in a statement. "We have been working hard at other creative solutions and believe our new proposal will provide a basis to end the owners' lockout and resume NHL hockey."

The announcement that talks would resume came just hours before the league's general managers were to get an update from Bettman during a dinner meeting in New York.

"In a way I'm glad it came today because it gives us something to report on, some new news," Daly said.

The league has been operating under the same collective bargaining agreement since 1995, when the last lockout - lasting 103 days - ended and a truncated 48-game schedule was held. That deal was extended twice.

After an agreement was reached on Jan. 11, 1995, the season began nine days later. The process might take longer this time, because there are dozens of unsigned free agents and many playing in Europe. Also, players haven't gone through training camp, unlike a decade ago.

Clubs also might have to restructure their rosters to fit any new payroll restrictions produced by a deal.

NHL arenas have been given the go-ahead by the league to release dates previously reserved for hockey on a 45-day rolling basis, which as of now means there won't be any NHL games until at least the middle of January.

"We continue to evaluate the situation every day," Daly said. "All we want to do is move the process toward resolution. The problem has always been that the union does not share our sense of urgency in getting this done. We hope this is a sign that they are beginning to share our sense of urgency."

Daly added that the NHL had not been preparing to make a new offer. The players' association rejected six concepts put forth by the league before the union's previous proposal.

The next one will remain a secret until it is formally given to the league.

"In fairness to the collective bargaining process, we will not be discussing our proposal publicly until after it has been communicated to the NHL," NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin said.

Bettman said teams combined to lose more than $1.8 billion over 10 years, and that management will not agree to a labor deal without a defined relationship between revenue and salaries. Owners claim teams lost $273 million in 2002-03 and $224 million last season.

An economic study commissioned by the NHL found that players get 76 percent of all league revenues - far more than the percentage for the other major team sports. The players' association has challenged many of the league's financial findings.
 

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I would be shocked if this proposal was anything more than a PR stunt. Now the PA can say they are trying to negotiate. I doubt the proposal will show any signs of concession regarding the cap. It's better than not talking at all but I still doubt there will be any hockey this year.
 

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Cland said:
I would be shocked if this proposal was anything more than a PR stunt. Now the PA can say they are trying to negotiate. I doubt the proposal will show any signs of concession regarding the cap. It's better than not talking at all but I still doubt there will be any hockey this year.

I think the NHLPA is trying to set the stage for upcoming legal battles after the NHL rejects their proposal. They (NHLPA) will want to say that the league is not negotiating in good faith and that some sort on injunction be placed upon the NHL's plans, i.e. declaring impasse and opening the doors

I hope that I am wrong and the PA's proposal is something to move forward from and sets the basis for in depth discussions to open the season.
 

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