Nice read about 1st 3 round picks for Cards

[SissyBoyFloyd]

ESPN's Muench

 

[BigRedRage]

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Dumb.

People pay though so more power to ESPN for milking the cow.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If anyone is willing to give a synopsis without copying word for word, I'd appreciate it.

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

If anyone is willing to give a synopsis without copying word for word, I'd appreciate it.

Cardinal's draft = :championship:

 

[Mitch]

He has us taking:

1---Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.
2---Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
3---Marcus Smith, OLB/DE, Louisville

He claims that Bucannon is a perfect, multi-dimensional S for the Cardinals and if Clinton-Dix and Pryor are off the board as expected, Bucannon is still worthy of a first round pick...especially seeing as he's going to go early second round at the latest.

My own feeling is---if Bucannon is the guy, it makes sense for Keim to trade down into the early second round to take Bucannon there and add some picks in the process.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He has us taking:

1---Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.
2---Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
3---Marcus Smith, OLB/DE, Louisville

He claims that Bucannon is a perfect, multi-dimensional S for the Cardinals and if Clinton-Dix and Pryor are off the board as expected, Bucannon is still worthy of a first round pick...especially seeing as he's going to go early second round at the latest.

My own feeling is---if Bucannon is the guy, it makes sense for Keim to trade down into the early second round to take Bucannon there and add some picks in the process.

I agree.

 

[DoTheDew]

My own feeling is---if Bucannon is the guy, it makes sense for Keim to trade down into the early second round to take Bucannon there and add some picks in the process.

I would be thrilled if that happened.

 

[Snakester]

don't like that draft at all. Don't want any of those guys. We need to draft a pass rusher or an offensive lineman in the first two rounds. There are way to many good ones not to.

 

[Finito]

I don't think you can underestimate what the additions of Veldheer and Cooper are going to do to the quality of the line across the board. We don't need another lineman early.

Bucannon is a monster but I don't want a safety in round 1. Way to many good ones this year Bucannon, Loston,Dixon, Ward any of those guys in round 2 and I'm happy. You can get a really good safety in round 2 but your not going to get the quality pass rusher past round 1 either Ford or Ealy would make me happy.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

:hastheball:

I don't think you can underestimate what the additions of Veldheer and Cooper are going to do to the quality of the line across the board. We don't need another lineman early.

Bucannon is a monster but I don't want a safety in round 1. Way to many good ones this year Bucannon, Loston,Dixon, Ward any of those guys in round 2 and I'm happy. You can get a really good safety in round 2 but your not going to get the quality pass rusher past round 1 either Ford or Ealy would make me happy.

If there is anything that we can say for certain as a Cards fan is that our line is going to suck. It always has; it always will.

On the same note, we will never, ever be any good at the screen pass. These are Cardinal truths.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't think you can underestimate what the additions of Veldheer and Cooper are going to do to the quality of the line across the board. We don't need another lineman early.

Bucannon is a monster but I don't want a safety in round 1. Way to many good ones this year Bucannon, Loston,Dixon, Ward any of those guys in round 2 and I'm happy. You can get a really good safety in round 2 but your not going to get the quality pass rusher past round 1 either Ford or Ealy would make me happy.

But Bucannon is different than Loston and Ward, and better than Dixon. Bucannon is more of the big tough guy, enforcer type strong safety.

I wouldn't be too opposed to drafting Bucannon, but even Muench admits it would be a bit of a reach to take him at 20. His value is much better in the second round, since he could easily just be a run down thumper type. He does show some ability to make plays in coverage, but I'm not sure he'll be very good at it in the NFL. He certainly should be better than Bell at it even in his first year (Bell mostly stunk in coverage).

Niklas is my favorite post round one tight end. I like him much better than Fiedorwicz, he jumps out at me more on film. Very good blocker, has a great feel for the passing game, even though he's not a natural receiver. At worst, I see him as Anthony Fasano; at best he could be Mark Bavarro. He's just so tough and physical, he would probably be the best blocker at TE that the Cardinals have had in many years. On run downs, he's like having an extra lineman. I really tried to like Fiedorwicz, but when I watched their film side by side, Niklas is better.

Marcus Smith is closer to what I want out of an OLB, but I think he won't have much of an impact in year one. He's a bit too lean for my taste; he looks like he'll need a year of strength training to make it in the NFL. While he's able to bend the corner (a trait that only Abraham has amongst our OLBs), he looks a bit stiff at times.

A guy who really jumps out at me and he's more of a guy I want later than round three considering we already have Minter, is Christian Jones, LB FSU. He looks like he could do a bang up job as a playmaker ILB in our scheme, ala Karlos Dansby. He looks a bit smallish, but I love the way he moves and he seems like he can make plays in the passing game.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

On the same note, we will never, ever be any good at the screen pass. These are Cardinal truths.

Normally, I would agree.

But the Cardinals pulled off at least one successful screen pass last year.

To be frank, I was flloored when I saw it. Couldn't believe it......kinda still don't

 

[Mulli]

ESPN's Muench

:scream:

 

[WildBB]

He has us taking:

1---Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.
2---Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
3---Marcus Smith, OLB/DE, Louisville

He claims that Bucannon is a perfect, multi-dimensional S for the Cardinals and if Clinton-Dix and Pryor are off the board as expected, Bucannon is still worthy of a first round pick...especially seeing as he's going to go early second round at the latest.

My own feeling is---if Bucannon is the guy, it makes sense for Keim to trade down into the early second round to take Bucannon there and add some picks in the process.

This could be a viable strategy this year. Go down to the 1-27/ 2-4 Range and get another 2nd or multiple picks back.

In a deep deep draft this is good strategy. You'll still get 1st Rd. talent up to that point, easily.
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Then you'r set up the rest of the way to compete with the likes of the whiners to get who you want to target thereafter.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm not a big fan of taking a strong safety in the first round. They would have to be Really Really special to warrent that high of a pick. To me Bucannon isn't that special to be selected #20 overall. Maybe with the 2nd round pick and I'd be OK with taking him but not in the first. I agree with Mitch that trading down and grabbing extra picks would make sense if Keim is targeting Bucannon. IMO the Cards are looking elsewhere on the defense with their first round pick.

I'd be OK with the Niklas pick but it would be clearly trying to fill a need. He does fit what Arians is looking for in a TE. Plus this years TE class is really thin. IMO there isn't a TE worth a first round pick in this years draft. If the Cards don't grab one in the 2nd there probably isn't much left to be excited about in the later rounds. So if the Cardinals are looking for immediate help at TE this pick makes sense.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

???

You dont think Ebron is a first rounder? Morgan Moses could be another trade down target if they cant get Martin.

Danial Jerrimiah currently has the 325 pound dancing bear going to the Seahawks at 32.

 

[MadCardDisease]

???

You dont think Ebron is a first rounder? Morgan Moses could be another trade down target if they cant get Martin.

Some team may reach for him in the 1st but I don't think he is worth a 1st round pick. He can't block and at times he loses focus and drops easy catches. He is only a Junior and could use another year in college working on his game.

I think he was smart to enter the NFL draft this year. With no competition at the position he is pretty much garenteed to be the first TE selected in the draft. I do think that some team desperate for a TE will reach for him in the 1st round though. But buyer beware!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Some team may reach for him in the 1st but I don't think he is worth a 1st round pick. He can't block and at times he loses focus and drops easy catches. He is only a Junior and could use another year in college working on his game.

I think he was smart to enter the NFL draft this year. With no competition at the position he is pretty much garenteed to be the first TE selected in the draft. I do think that some team desperate for a TE will reach for him in the 1st round though. But buyer beware!

Wholeheartedly disagree on Ebron.

He is a natural pass catcher, who can make difficult catches in traffic. He is a match up buster, and will be a dynamic receiver almost immediately.

As far as 1st round dynamic receiving prospects, only Watkins is more of a sure bet. Basically, you'll be disappointed if you are looking at him as an inline TE, but if you look at him as a Jimmy Graham-type, then I think you are really looking at his true value.

I think you are in a extreme minority in calling him a "reach" in the 1st round. Eric Ebron is probably the best receiving TE prospect to come out since Vernon Davis.

I love Niklas based on what Arians said, but in no way is Niklas going to have even a smidgeon of the impact Ebron will have as a pass catcher.

 

[MadCardDisease]

He is a natural pass catcher, who can make difficult catches in traffic.

What about the easy catches?

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[oaken1]

What about the easy catches?

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looks like he was trying to catch with his body on that one.....that aint good.... fingers kid!! Catch with your fingers!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Drops are an issue with Ebron, but he makes 10x the explosive plays compared with any other TE.

You draft Ebron if you need a jumbo WR to play seam buster; that's not what we need at TE, but if he somehow slid to 20, the Cardinals would be crazy to pass on him.

My favorite TE if you look at what Arians says he wants is Niklas by far. I also love the fact that Niklas is still improving, which is impressive considering he's probably the second or third best TE in college football right now.

I think it breaks down:
1) Eric Ebron - Tier 1
2) Jace Amaro - Tier 2
3) Troy Niklas - Tier 2
4) Austin Sefarian Jenkins - Tier 2
5) CJ Fiedorwicz - Tier 3
6) Arthur Lynch - Tier 3

 

[Garthshort]

To trade back, as we all know, you have to have a team looking to move up. If Cleveland doesn't take a QB at #5 they might be willing to move up from #26. And if Texas takes Clowney with the first pick, they might be (and probably would) jump back into the first round in order to get a QB. We'd get the first pick in the second round and, I'm guessing, their third round pick. Holding the first second round pick, I'm sure we'd go into Friday night with a lot of trade offers.

 

[MadCardDisease]

He has us taking:

1---Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.
2---Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
3---Marcus Smith, OLB/DE, Louisville

He claims that Bucannon is a perfect, multi-dimensional S for the Cardinals and if Clinton-Dix and Pryor are off the board as expected, Bucannon is still worthy of a first round pick...especially seeing as he's going to go early second round at the latest.

My own feeling is---if Bucannon is the guy, it makes sense for Keim to trade down into the early second round to take Bucannon there and add some picks in the process.

Well he pretty much nailed the Cardinals picks. Impressive.

 

[Broseph]

Wow, dudes good.

 

[ajcardfan]

Wow, dudes good.

Yeah, that is impressive. Well, it's probably lucky more than anything, but still, he looks damn smart.