Nkemdiche Cut

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think that SK wanted him to be the next Dockett so much he ignored reality and all the red flags.



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Dockett had many red flags coming out of college too. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. I remember Vernon Gholston was a pretty clean prospect with minimal red flags and was a hard-working pass rush demon at OSU. He was a tremendous bust in the NFL.

You just never know. I've never had a problem with Keim drafting him late round 1 and taking a chance on the talent coming through.

 

[AZCB34]

Dockett had many red flags coming out of college too. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. I remember Vernon Gholston was a pretty clean prospect with minimal red flags and was a hard-working pass rush demon at OSU. He was a tremendous bust in the NFL.

You just never know. I've never had a problem with Keim drafting him late round 1 and taking a chance on the talent coming through.

My guess is if you go back to the thread when he was drafted, most were on board with the pick and many connected him with Badger.

 

[JeffGollin]

My perspective - Despite his bust potential, Nkemdiche was too good a player at a talent-thin position to pass up.

 

[Yuma]

The draft pick of Nkemdiche was hailed as a smart pick at that spot in the draft. That dude had many chances from the Cards. I would have felt bad if we cut him after his rookie season, but we hung in there trying to give him chances.

 

[JeffGollin]

I think that SK wanted him to be the next Dockett so much he ignored reality and all the red flags.



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I think SK felt the Deech's physical abilities made him worth the risk within the context of who else was available

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My guess is if you go back to the thread when he was drafted, most were on board with the pick and many connected him with Badger.

Yes that’s true. But we all possess limited information. A GM has a team of scouts, volumes of tape, interviews his coaches. Interviews him. So I don’t care what most of us would’ve done. I’m disappointed the professional wasn’t capable of figuring out he was a terrible selection. Or that all the other first round busts were either. Sorry I don’t give Keim a pass bc of a bunch of fans or websites agreed with him.

 

[cardpa]

There were several others at positions of need that could have been drafted without the baggage Diche came with. Myles Jack, Chris Jones, Jaylon Smith, Hunter Henry, Michael Thomas to name a few.

 

[AZCB34]

Yes that’s true. But we all possess limited information. A GM has a team of scouts, volumes of tape, interviews his coaches. Interviews him. So I don’t care what most of us would’ve done. I’m disappointed the professional wasn’t capable of figuring out he was a terrible selection. Or that all the other first round busts were either. Sorry I don’t give Keim a pass bc of a bunch of fans or websites agreed with him.

Trust me I am not giving MillerKeim a pass. Keim, imo, knew of all the red flags but thought he could repeat the Honey Badger success.

 

[MadCardDisease]

SO the question is how could they misfire so badly on the character issue especially when he already had a rep in college for being lackadaisical, spotty performance and poor decision making? Are they that bad at spotting poor character or are that easily fooled in the interviews by BS? Just because the guy had similar physical measurements as Dockett doesn't mean jack squat when it came to character or desire to excel.

The Honey Badger effect. BA and Keim got cocky after the success they had with the Honey Badger. Then they thought that they could reinvent every bad apple after the success that they had with him. The problem is you can't measure heart.

The Honey Badger "might not give a poo" but he loved to play football. Diche was the exact opposite and could care less about anything especially football. It appears that football was a meal ticket to Diche. Literally!

 

[Jetstream Green]

The Honey Badger effect. BA and Keim got cocky after the success they had with the Honey Badger. Then they thought that they could reinvent every bad apple after the success that they had with him. The problem is you can't measure heart.

The Honey Badger "might not give a ****" but he loved to play football. Diche was the exact opposite and could care less about anything especially football. It appears that football was a meal ticket to Diche. Literally!

This, because no matter the screw ups, Mathieu loved football and always gave full effort while the Niche did not. Frankly, they are both failures if you are judging the here and now but one is due to a significant injury. The Cardinals were not willing to keep Tyrann and neither were the Texans, he's simply a name now and not an actual force on defense

 

[Southpaw]

If for no other reason than I stumbled when attempting to say his name, I am delighted. Move on.

 

[football karma]

Sorry I don’t give Keim a pass bc of a bunch of fans or websites agreed with him.

yep

Keim is literally paid millions of dollars more per year than writers who do draft rankings and analysis: he needs to be better than them.

my one "kinda" excuse for Keim (warning: pure speculation) : likely influenced (or maybe Mike B was influenced, probably both of them) by BAs belief that his coaching staff was so good that the potential would be unlocked.

Mike B has a history of listening to head coaches once they establish themselves (not speculation)

 

[cardpa]

The Honey Badger effect. BA and Keim got cocky after the success they had with the Honey Badger. Then they thought that they could reinvent every bad apple after the success that they had with him. The problem is you can't measure heart.

The Honey Badger "might not give a ****" but he loved to play football. Diche was the exact opposite and could care less about anything especially football. It appears that football was a meal ticket to Diche. Literally!

True and true. You may not be able to measure heart but you can certainly see it in the effort put forth.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Yes that’s true. But we all possess limited information. A GM has a team of scouts, volumes of tape, interviews his coaches. Interviews him. So I don’t care what most of us would’ve done. I’m disappointed the professional wasn’t capable of figuring out he was a terrible selection. Or that all the other first round busts were either. Sorry I don’t give Keim a pass bc of a bunch of fans or websites agreed with him.

Even so, it's a very inexact science.

Another ex-OSU player who flamed out that nobody could see coming was David Boston. He was a model kid at OSU from a great family(sister is a lawyer and dad an NFL ref) and look at what happened to him.

The bottom line is you're drafting the best talent for your team and hoping it works out. Granted, there are guys that are better evaluators but all GM's have had their fair share of busts.

At that time, the Cards had one of the most, if not the most, talented rosters in the league. Does Keim not get any credit for that?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Bickley and Marotta were saying that Nkemdiche was really engaged and cheering on his teammates after he reported to camp. They said that it appeared that Nkemdiche finally realized he needed to be engaged.

Like I said elsewhere, if you read between the lines, SK started mentioning that the Cardinals were looking for passionate players who love football. These comments seemed to start after Nkemdiche.

 

[TJ]

Mike B has a history of listening to head coaches once they establish themselves (not speculation)

If true, and he’s taking opinions on talent from the HC over Suge White, that’s a major red flag.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Even so, it's a very inexact science.

Another ex-OSU player who flamed out that nobody could see coming was David Boston. He was a model kid at OSU from a great family(sister is a lawyer and dad an NFL ref) and look at what happened to him.

The bottom line is you're drafting the best talent for your team and hoping it works out. Granted, there are guys that are better evaluators but all GM's have had their fair share of busts.

At that time, the Cards had one of the most, if not the most, talented rosters in the league. Does Keim not get any credit for that?

Something went wrong in the process.

The Cardinals went from a team that most moves worked, to the worst team in the league.

I still maintain that the Cardinals arent the worst team in the league. I'd still take their roster over quite a few teams. The have a top 5 corner, top 5 pass rusher, and a do it all back. They lack some weapons on offense but there is a good chance that will be fixed this year mostly. They secondary looks very promising on paper and has a good mix of veterans and young players. The ugly spot is still the offensive line, but it could be serviceable if the players have good health.

I think that the league caught up to Arians largely. The 13-3 year, everything worked, and the very next season it seemed like everyone knew when Arians was going to dial up a deep ball. After the 7-8-1 season, reportedly Keim wanted to go after McVay. If that was the case, Keim must have seen the writing on the wall that Arians had run his course.

 

[Sandan]

Even so, it's a very inexact science.

Another ex-OSU player who flamed out that nobody could see coming was David Boston. He was a model kid at OSU from a great family(sister is a lawyer and dad an NFL ref) and look at what happened to him.

The bottom line is you're drafting the best talent for your team and hoping it works out. Granted, there are guys that are better evaluators but all GM's have had their fair share of busts.

At that time, the Cards had one of the most, if not the most, talented rosters in the league. Does Keim not get any credit for that?

I remember Boston.

In those days ASFN had access, ai Skorp, myself and Brighteyes.

There was little doubt DB was going bto fail once he got here. From what I remember he wasn't exactly a model citizen for the team

 

[cardncubfan]

Something went wrong in the process.

The Cardinals went from a team that most moves worked, to the worst team in the league.

I still maintain that the Cardinals arent the worst team in the league. I'd still take their roster over quite a few teams. The have a top 5 corner, top 5 pass rusher, and a do it all back. They lack some weapons on offense but there is a good chance that will be fixed this year mostly. They secondary looks very promising on paper and has a good mix of veterans and young players. The ugly spot is still the offensive line, but it could be serviceable if the players have good health.

I think that the league caught up to Arians largely. The 13-3 year, everything worked, and the very next season it seemed like everyone knew when Arians was going to dial up a deep ball. After the 7-8-1 season, reportedly Keim wanted to go after McVay. If that was the case, Keim must have seen the writing on the wall that Arians had run his course.

I think injuries to Palmer kind of derailed things as well.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

If true, and he’s taking opinions on talent from the HC over Suge White, that’s a major red flag.

Suge White??????

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[Chopper0080]

You have to believe players when they tell you what they are. When your process starts with expecting a player to be something he hasn't shown you can be, it is a recipe for disaster. Almost all of our misses under Keim have this in common.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There were several others at positions of need that could have been drafted without the baggage Diche came with. Myles Jack, Chris Jones, Jaylon Smith, Hunter Henry, Michael Thomas to name a few.

Jaylon Smith hurts.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Even so, it's a very inexact science.

Another ex-OSU player who flamed out that nobody could see coming was David Boston. He was a model kid at OSU from a great family(sister is a lawyer and dad an NFL ref) and look at what happened to him.

The bottom line is you're drafting the best talent for your team and hoping it works out. Granted, there are guys that are better evaluators but all GM's have had their fair share of busts.

At that time, the Cards had one of the most, if not the most, talented rosters in the league. Does Keim not get any credit for that?

He gets credit for the good (David Johnson, Palmer trade, etc) and gets the blame for his bad (first round best after first round bust). Imagine the talent level of this team if he hit on even 40% of his first round picks?!?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Jaylon Smith hurts.

Chris Jones had 15 sacks last year...imagine him on a front seven with Chandler Jones.

 

[TJ]

Suge White??????

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You don’t know anything about Suge White? The man who destroyed the franchise from the inside out? The man who ran over Josh Rosen with his truck on draft night? The dude with a criminal background?