No better time for the Suns to get it done

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No better time for the Suns to get it done
By Stan McNeal - SportingNews

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I don't care for the desert, I think Phoenix fans are among the biggest bandwagoners in the land, and I've never been a huge fan of the Suns.
But come June, I hope to see Steve Nash pouring champagne on Mike D'Antoni. That would be the best way -- the only way, really -- to stuff a sock in the grill of everyone who drones on about how a team that stresses offense over defense can't win the big one.
If ever there were a team equipped to debunk the doubts, it's D'Antoni's Suns. (The Warriors are another, but their window of opportunity is just opening.) The Suns, however, may be running short on time. First-year general manager Steve Kerr tells me he's convinced Phoenix's style can win a title, but I wonder about his conviction. I have a feeling a flameout in the playoffs could shut the Suns' window in a hurry. Kerr won five rings with Bulls and Spurs teams that emphasized defense and halfcourt offense. He knows that style can win. He needs D'Antoni to show him that offense-minded teams can win, too.
With the Spurs and Mavericks looking vulnerable, the Suns have their best opportunity to reach The Finals under D'Antoni. Trouble is, they seem intent on making their job more challenging than necessary. For one reason, their rebounding has been weaker than their defense. The Suns rank 25th in points allowed but dead last in offensive rebounds and offensive rebounds allowed. In consecutive games last week against the Timberwolves and Cavaliers, the Suns were beaten on the offensive boards by a combined 39-6 margin.
Another obstacle looms in their locker room, where drama seems to follow the Suns from every loss until the next win. But so far, any disharmony off the court has not found its way to the court.
Off the court: Shawn Marion, who has made a habit of not feeling appreciated, asked to be traded before camp opened, and rumors still persist that he wants out.
On the court: Marion said his trade demand would not affect his performance, and he has been right. His scoring and shots are down slightly, but his rebounding is up over last season. He took just three and four shots in back-to-back games last week, but one was a last-second runner that beat the Cavs and sent Marion into a big chest bump with Nash. Marion certainly did not look disgruntled then.
Off the court: Amare Stoudemire, never known for his defensive intensity, has grumbled about having to play out of position on defense and not getting enough touches on offense.
On the court: Stoudemire has had to defend centers who usually are bigger than him. But the Suns set up their defense to make sure he gets plenty of help. What Stoudemire doesn't say about being mismatched against centers is that he has an advantage on offense because they have to guard him.
Off the court: Nash became so frustrated after a few tough December losses that he pointed fingers at unnamed teammates (Stoudemire, for one).
On the court: Both Nash and Stoudemire are playing like All-Stars. Stoudemire is averaging 22.7 points and shooting a career-best 59.0 percent, and Nash again leads the league in assists with a career-best 11.9.
For a team supposedly so unhappy, the Suns sure have a good record. Granted, they've had a favorable first half schedule, but they are ahead of the Spurs and Mavs and just a half-game behind the surging first-place Hornets in the West.
No wonder D'Antoni says he still believes in his group. Kerr recently was considering a major move -- a league source says the Suns were asking around about the Nuggets' Marcus Camby -- but D'Antoni told him to hold off.
"We have one of the best records in the league, so why would we want to change anything?" says D'Antoni, calling the Suns "an unbelievable offensive team that's trying to get better on defense. "I know we haven't quite hit our stride, but we're real close to being there." As long as they hit it come June, you can line up the naysayers and I'll bring the socks.
 

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Are you kidding me? We were going after Camby!

Hmm...I would love to get him and Amare together. Wonder what they were considering? Any ideas?
 

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if we get camby, we win the title. plain and simple. d'antoni better shut his damn mouth. if kerr can get camby, then let's pull the trigger already! as long as amare and nash stay here, that is.

Nash
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Hill
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Camby

that starting lineup could beat anyone in the league, hands down. we have 3 solid defenders there and another decent one in diaw (and even skinner) coming off the bench.
 

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Camby is the perfect Center for this team too. I wonder what the trade would have to be to get him?
 

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Nash
Bell
Hill
Amare
Camby

Yes, because the Nuggets want a SF like Marion, when they already have one of the leagues best SFs in Melo. Don't you think the talks were more along the lines of Amare for Camby? I don't see why Denver would want Marion.
 

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Kerr recently was considering a major move -- a league source says the Suns were asking around about the Nuggets' Marcus Camby -- but D'Antoni told him to hold off.
Camby.
HOLD OFF!! If that league source was for real......
Unfricken believable. My already rising resentment for DA's arrogance and stubborness has just grown to a new level.
I need to cool off before i say any more about this.
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if we get camby, we win the title. plain and simple. d'antoni better shut his damn mouth. if kerr can get camby, then let's pull the trigger already! as long as amare and nash stay here, that is.

Nash
Bell
Hill
Amare
Camby

that starting lineup could beat anyone in the league, hands down. we have 3 solid defenders there and another decent one in diaw (and even skinner) coming off the bench.

Yes.
 

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I have a hard time imagine why the hell Nugz would trade away Camby at all? There is no better defensive center to play alongside AI and Melo than him.
 

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HOLD OFF!! If that league source was for real......
Unfricken believable. My already rising resentment for DA's arrogance and stubborness has just grown to a new level.
I need to cool off before i say any more about this.
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This off season the Suns looked at every way possible at trading Amare, yet here he is. Perhaps it is Kerr who wants Amare gone and DA who stops it.
 

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The article didn't say that D'Antoni was referring to Amare.

It says, "A league source says the Suns were asking around about the Nuggets' Marcus Camby -- but D'Antoni told him to hold off." Asking about Marcus Camby.

Is there any doubt who's leading whom in the Suns front office? The demoted GM is still calling the shots.
 

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Camby is not a very good one on one defender. When the Nuggets play against the Spurs, Nene or Martin guards Duncan, because Camby is absolutely unable to do it. He is a great rebounder and help defender though, but I wouldnt give up Marion for him, no way.
 

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Yeah sure Denver is gonna trade Camby for Marion or some of our peices we don't need. They would want more than just Marion in return, no way they trade Camby.
 

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The article didn't say that D'Antoni was referring to Amare.

It says, "A league source says the Suns were asking around about the Nuggets' Marcus Camby -- but D'Antoni told him to hold off." Asking about Marcus Camby.

Is there any doubt who's leading whom in the Suns front office? The demoted GM is still calling the shots.

I'm begging you to try to use some logic. Do you really believe the Nuggets would move Camby for anyone on the Suns roster other than Nash or Amare? Lets try to use our brains here.

I know the "D'Antoni is an idiot" crowd thinks he can't do anything right, but do you really think there was a Marion for Camby deal on the table? Why on Earth would the Nuggets want a Small Forward when they have Carmelo Freaking Anthony on their roster? There's no way that was the deal. The only possible deal being discussed was Amare for Camby, and I'm glad the Suns didn't make that move.
 

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Yes, they would move him for someone other than Amare or Nash.

The player would probably be Diaw. Diaw would be a perfect complement to Melo and Iverson on the floor (offensively). The salary would be close enough provided the BYC thing is about to expire. Camby is older and injury prone. I could see the Nuggets doing this, especially if the Atlanta pick is involved--and you know how much the Suns like to trade away picks.

Ha, I wonder if this has anything to do with Diaw turning it on some as of late.

BTW, I am not promoting this trade, I am just stating what I believe would have been the most likely scenario.
 

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Yes, they would move him for someone other than Amare or Nash.

The player would probably be Diaw. Diaw would be a perfect complement to Melo and Iverson on the floor (offensively). The salary would be close enough provided the BYC thing is about to expire. Camby is older and injury prone. I could see the Nuggets doing this, especially if the Atlanta pick is involved--and you know how much the Suns like to trade away picks.

Ha, I wonder if this has anything to do with Diaw turning it on some as of late.

BTW, I am not promoting this trade, I am just stating what I believe would have been the most likely scenario.

On the NE Corner of 24th St and Van Buren is the Arizona State Hospital for the Insane, please check yourself in there if you believe the Nuggets would move Marcus "Defensive Player of the Year" Camby for Boris Diaw.
 

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Karl (nuggets coach) said during the spurs game last week that Camby is the most important piece for that team. No way are they going to trade him. These rumors about AI and camby are far from the truth, it's starting to get of hand that crap that flies around.
 

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Thats two mentions of scenarios with Denver this week. Coro hinted at steven hunter, now we were flirting with camby?

Who the hell would we trade for a guy who can grab 15 rebounds and swat 5 shots on a mediocre day?

Maybe they would make you take on martins contract too. geez they got a hefty payroll there.
 

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I would seriously laugh if we got Hunter back. Nearly full circle there.
 
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We can discuss it to death or until our faces turn blue, but Amare and Marion are not going to be traded, at least this year... Sarver clearly said that.
 
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